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California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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Once again....Liberty and justice for ALL....not just some.
 
Dav said:
I've always thought this was the worst ever argument for gay marriage.
Bestiality does not affect people (and animals) not engaged in it. Pedophilia/statutory rape does not affect anyone not involved. Marrying an animal or a young child does not affect anyone not involved in the marriage. Yet they're still illegal, as they should be.
There are good arguments for gay marriage, but this is not one of them.
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It's not an argument for gay marriage, it is a counter to a rather stupid argument made against gay marriage. You are right, on it's own, it is a stupid statement, but that is because it is in response to another stupid statement("it cheapens marriage").
 
Redress said:
I think it makes marriage more valued. Once again, we cancel each other out.
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well lets throw the people that want to marry more then one partner...........why should they be excluded...........why do gays get special rights over them?
 
Dav said:
I've always thought this was the worst ever argument for gay marriage.
Bestiality does not affect people (and animals) not engaged in it. Pedophilia/statutory rape does not affect anyone not involved. Marrying an animal or a young child does not affect anyone not involved in the marriage. Yet they're still illegal, as they should be.
There are good arguments for gay marriage, but this is not one of them.
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Changing the definition of what he thinks is marriage is not a valid argument at all.
Pedophilia and some instances of statutory rape are wrong because the person is a child, without the reasoning capabilities of an adult.

I don't care if someone wants to screw their dog, it's sick, disgusting, depraved but whatever.
Those people do it, legal or not.
 
Oh oh oh! Have we gotten to the part where people start ranting about this paving the way for marriages with multiple partners!?

Good gods I hope that comes to pass in my lifetime.
 
Navy Pride said:
It cheapens the definition of marriage.............
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I sure you felt the same way about the approval of inter-racial marriage in Loving v. Virginia.

Ewwwww.....those inter-racial couples marrying....cheapening our homogenous marriages.
 
The Prof said:
views and beliefs are capable of violating another sovereign person's rights?

i wonder what that civics-for-kids teacher would say about that
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Your beliefs and speech do NOT violate the Constitution. Your law that restricts the rights of people to marry the individual they love DOES. You can still call it sin. You can still believe it's wrong; but when you turn it into a restriction of someone else's rights and liberties, you cross a Constitutional line.
 
Navy Pride said:
well lets throw the people that want to marry more then one partner...........why should they be excluded...........why do gays get special rights over them?
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Why are you changing the subject? Funny how quickly you avoid actually arguing about gay marriage...
 
disneydude said:
Once again....Liberty and justice for ALL....not just some.
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Nothing has been settled yet my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens if I were you...........

A gay judge ruling for gays...nothing more............
 
Navy Pride said:
Exactly I don't know why we even vote on anything in this country anymore..........Just let judges decide everything...........
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Too bad you lost yet again Navy......like I said....it is inevitable. We have a little something in this country called the Constitution. You might want to find out what it is about.
 
Navy Pride said:
Nothing has been settled yet my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens if I were you...........

A gay judge ruling for gays...nothing more............
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A gay Reagan appointee whose appointment was held up by gay rights advocates because he was seen as hostile to gay rights...

Still waiting for some one to show where in the ruling it is less than the proper ruling. Funny how all these people claim bias, but can show exactly zero evidence of it.
 
disneydude said:
I sure you felt the same way about the approval of inter-racial marriage in Loving v. Virginia.

Ewwwww.....those inter-racial couples marrying....cheapening our homogenous marriages.
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nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
There are some things I don't like people usurping my control over.
Largely right now, I'm not micromanaged but have road blocks tossed in my path for nonsensical reasons.
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Yeah, I think I am getting you, personally though I feel that even with them, my quality of life is in no way diminished. Its probably just a matter of perception.
 
Navy Pride said:
nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
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Wait, so interracial marriage has nothing to do with this, but polygamy does? Have you ever though to try and be consistent?
 
Navy Pride said:
nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
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Its the same arguments. People like you were "disgusted" with inter-racial marriage because it cheapened their marriage. They were bigots in the same way.
 
Navy Pride said:
Nothing has been settled yet my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens if I were you...........

A gay judge ruling for gays...nothing more............
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Other than the fact that you are for the liberty and justice for a restricted group instead of all law-abiding, tax-paying citizens to marry the individual of their choosing.

You would rather big government tell them who they are not allowed to marry. You don't see it as such, but you're supporting big government. You want it to rule people's lives whom you disagree with.

As long as they don't tell YOU what to do, you want small government. But you don't mind big government if it intrudes in other people's lives.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Other than the fact that you are for the liberty and justice for a restricted group instead of all law-abiding, tax-paying citizens to marry the individual of their choosing.

You would rather big government tell them who they are not allowed to marry. You don't see it as such, but you're supporting big government. You want it to rule people's lives whom you disagree with.

As long as they don't tell YOU what to do, you want small government. But you don't mind big government if it intrudes in other people's lives.
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Navy is a big government advocate.
 
Navy Pride said:
nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
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Who they have sex with is irrelevant. A man can marry a woman, and I do not have equal rights to do the same. It's flat out gender discrimination. Doesn't involve the sexual act at all.
 
megaprogman said:
Yeah, I think I am getting you, personally though I feel that even with them, my quality of life is in no way diminished. Its probably just a matter of perception.
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Quick example because we're derailing a lot.

One of my hobbies is guns.
I have a license that allows me to buy some guns through a parcel service(UPS and Fedex only) but not others, even though they function and have nearly all the same characteristics.
It's moronic.

I'm getting interested in roll your own tobacco but after the last SCHIP bill passed, I can't order it through the mail anymore(only UPS and Fedex will carry it now and it must not be cigarette tobacco, pipes/cigar only.), same with guns.
Someone decided that their moral beliefs were better suited to paint on me and my interests.
With no real basis in fact or reason.
 
A few quick points to make.

1. The will of the people was not overturned. This country is a Constitutional Republic. The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States of America, not a ballot measure passed by a slim majority of California voters. The judge determined that the will of those voters violated the rights of a minority guaranteed by the federal Constitution. The judge defended the will of the people, the Constitution, he did not overturn it.

2. A majority of California's voters have been nationally disgraced by this ruling as it paints them as discriminatory. Instead of focusing on the rhetoric of "Traditional Marriage" and "Equality" they should have been focusing on the real issues of the ballot measure. Do same sex couples provide good homes for children? Will same sex marriage alter the social norms of heterosexual marriage? Does California have an interest in supporting two different classes of legally recognized relationships? These are the questions Californians should have been discussing in 2008, and for failing to do so, they must face this ruling today. While the rest of the country demands that they justify their decision to violate the equal protection and due process of an entire group of people, this majority can only answer with meaningless and embarrassing rhetoric like "we wished to preserve the definition of marriage" and "same sex couples getting married cheapens the definition of marriage".

3. Push for a Federal Amendment to the Constitution now defining marriage as between a man and a woman if you are planning to do so. When this gets to the Supreme Court, 30 states will be feeling what California is feeling now. The realization that putting people's civil rights before a democratic vote is a travesty to everything this country stands for and an embarrassment to the core principles that this country professes to the world.
 
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I could give a ****, either way, if gays get married. But, at what point can't a judge over-rule the will of the people?
 
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