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California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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cpwill said:
:shrug: this was in the cards the whole time, ever since the Judge tried to expose those he disagreed with to public danger and the State Government illegally refused to defend it's own laws. it's always been headed to the Supreme Court because it was always blatant how he would 'rule'. 'Rule' being the key word, there. all i can say on that is that now that we have decided to grant Judges the right to dictate our marriages; i can't wait to laugh my head off when a fundamentalist Christian judge invalidates marriage off of no-fault divorce. :D hooray for kings!

as for those who think this is going to be a victory - you don't win in American politics by giving the vast majority of it's citizens the middle finger. all you do is provoke backlash. the homosexul-marriage advocacy community should have tried to convince the American citizenry of the rightness of their cause, like the Civil Rights movement whom they claim kinship to but whose lessons they ignore.
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No, if the majority is oppressing the minority, it is not up to the minority to "convince" the majority that their oppression is wrong. That's what we have courts for. And this court ruled in favor of gay marriage.
 
Redress said:
Hint: as of right now, this is a state issue.
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wrong. until the judge issued his ruling today, it was a state issue. now it's been declared in violation of the Federal Constitution making it a Federal issue.



I would like to point out as well that i find hilarious how many of the same people cheered the judge striking down DOMA as are cheering this decision.

given that the judge in striking down DOMA was arguing that marriage is a state matter and the federal government had no right to interfere..... and the judge who struck down Prop 8 did so arguing that the states did not have authority over marriage, but that the Federal government does.

again. activist judging is when you don't really care what the rule of law is, so long as the result is your ideological preference.
 
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jallman said:
I don't give a flying rat's ass what you do in your church. But as long as the government is passing out benes for being in a committed relationship, I ain't gonna get barred from having them just because Jeebus and you think I'm bad people.

Get over it.
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Its the law you get over it
 
ptif219 said:
Federal we are talking state. Remember a judge just said states can not enforce federal law
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Like I said, read the 14th amendment.
 
Your Star said:
So your saying that a gay judge can't make a fair decision?

I've asked you this before but can you provide a Non-Religious reason to oppose gay marriage?
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Do you think someone from the Westboro church could make a fair decision? Personally, I don't think a liberal gay judge could make a fair decision on a gay marriage issue.

Do I have to have a non-religious reason to oppose gay marriage? Am I not entitled to my beliefs?
 
it's spelled D-O-M-A

why, it's THE ISSUE!

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cpwill said:
:shrug: this was in the cards the whole time, ever since the Judge tried to expose those he disagreed with to public danger and the State Government illegally refused to defend it's own laws. it's always been headed to the Supreme Court because it was always blatant how he would 'rule'. 'Rule' being the key word, there. all i can say on that is that now that we have decided to grant Judges the right to dictate our marriages; i can't wait to laugh my head off when a fundamentalist Christian judge invalidates marriage off of no-fault divorce. :D hooray for kings!

as for those who think this is going to be a victory - you don't win in American politics by giving the vast majority of it's citizens the middle finger. all you do is provoke backlash. the homosexul-marriage advocacy community should have tried to convince the American citizenry of the rightness of their cause, like the Civil Rights movement whom they claim kinship to but whose lessons they ignore.
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Ummmm...more and more people are accepting gay rights, and gay people. Check out the polling over the last40 years or so. Further, nothing in this is giving the finger to any one. If it costs liberals some votes, so be it, I would rather do the right thing.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It has been now.
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That doesn't mean this ruling is right. As far as things stand my state and many others ban gay marriage and define it properly. So, a gay judge rules that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional. There was no outcry when this was placed on the ballot in the first place, and a gay judged was the one who ruled on the gay marriage ban...
 
ptif219 said:
Prop 8 was a vote on a state constitutional amenment that is how it works
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Can you read? I've already provided you a link, but here's a good quote:

From Justice Anthony Kennedy regarding Colorado Amendment 2:

Its sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests.
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A state constitutional amendment CAN NOT violated the Federal Constitution.

What about that can you not understand?
 
digsbe said:
Do you think someone from the Westboro church could make a fair decision? Personally, I don't think a liberal gay judge could make a fair decision on a gay marriage issue.

Do I have to have a non-religious reason to oppose gay marriage? Am I not entitled to my beliefs?
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If you want to impose your will on another person, you're damned skippy it better have a nonreligious rationale behind it. Welcome to America.
 
jallman said:
I wanna know what prissy homo kicked your ass in a Pottery Barn and then stuffed his **** down your throat while making you watch reruns of the Mary Tyler Moore Show?
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Nice disgusting post. Forcing a lifestyle means the demand their lifestyle be accepted as normal
 
digsbe said:
Do you think someone from the Westboro church could make a fair decision? Personally, I don't think a liberal gay judge could make a fair decision on a gay marriage issue.

Do I have to have a non-religious reason to oppose gay marriage? Am I not entitled to my beliefs?
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I doubt anyone from westboro has the mental capacity to even be a judge.

Also you can have your beliefs, I could care less how you think about gay people. But don't force those beliefs on other people. Marriage isn't a religious thing in the US legally. If you don't like gay marriage then don't get one. Allowing gay people equal rights under the law won't effect you in any way.
 
ptif219 said:
Nice disgusting post. Forcing a lifestyle means the demand their lifestyle be accepted as normal
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Again, no one is demanding that you accept it. You can not accept it all you want. Your right. But you cannot infringe upon the rights of others, that's right out.
 
jallman said:
If you want to oppose your will on another person, you're damned skippy it better have a nonreligious rationale behind it. Welcome to America.
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Why? And the homosexual movement is imposing their morality upon others. If anything, the fact that homosexuality is not marriage because it is unnatural and unfit for procreation is enough to prevent it from equality with real marriage.
 
digsbe said:
That doesn't mean this ruling is right. As far as things stand my state and many others ban gay marriage and define it properly. So, a gay judge rules that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional. There was no outcry when this was placed on the ballot in the first place, and a gay judged was the one who ruled on the gay marriage ban...
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This isn't a pet issue of mine, so I don't really know all the details but to be serious, why do you care so much?

Why is it a big deal that gay people have legal marriages?
It makes no sense why this is being fought so hard.
 
Ikari said:
State's are also held to the Bill of Rights and the rights and liberties of the individual. A State, for instance, can not resume slavery as a practice even if the majority wanted it; even if it's in the State constitution.
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A state can not judge legal status because that is a federal issue. You can not pick and chose which fed issues states can enforce
 
ptif219 said:
Nice disgusting post. Forcing a lifestyle means the demand their lifestyle be accepted as normal
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OK, so what homo made you watch with agreement while he screwed another homo in a Restoration Hardware while listening to Babs over the loud speakers?
 
ptif219 said:
Yet gays force their lifestyle on us
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Again, the fringe-right misses the point completely.

The only thing being forced on you is the 14th Amendment. If that doesn't work for you, then move.
 
cpwill said:
wrong. until the judge issued his ruling today, it was a state issue. now it's been declared in violation of the Federal Constitution making it a Federal issue.
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I will grant you this. How about: until today, it was a a state issue.



I would like to point out as well that i find hilarious how many of the same people cheered the judge striking down DOMA as are cheering this decision.

given that the judge in striking down DOMA was arguing that marriage is a state matter and the federal government had no right to interfere..... and the judge who struck down Prop 8 did so arguing that the states did not have authority over marriage, but that the Federal government does.

again. activist judging is when you don't really care what the rule of law is, so long as the result is your ideological preference.
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Not exactly I do not think. The judge in the DOMA case ruled that DOMA violated both federal law(the constitution) and states rights. This judge rules that the law violated the constitution. There is common ground in there.
 
digsbe said:
Why? And the homosexual movement is imposing their morality upon others. If anything, the fact that homosexuality is not marriage because it is unnatural and unfit for procreation is enough to prevent it from equality with real marriage.
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Because I'm not beholden to your gods rules. That's your damned problem. And again, homosexuals are not imposing their morality upon you. Give up that tired and utterly stupid mantra. No one says you have to accept it, no one says you have to like it. All that's being said is that you cannot infringe upon the rights of others.
 
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