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California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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ptif219 said:
Yes the same thing gays say.
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We have evidence, you have rhetoric.

The anti gay marriage people use religion, tradition, and popularity to defend themselves. All of which are not defended under the constitution.
 
Your Star said:
No, its not, its a legal partnership. You don't stop atheist's from getting married so it obviously isn't a covenant with God. This is in the legal sense, you can get married in a purely religious ceremony, but it won't be recognized by the state unless you get a legal marriage license.
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It was a ceramony before the state taxed it
 
ptif219 said:
Then the government should not tax a religous ceramony
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My parents and brother in law both got married in a courtroom without a religious official present.
 
MrVicchio said:
Has nothing to do with Straight people, it has to do with a minority of people trying to change a social construct. In this case, the definition of Marriage.

Which is where my disagreement with the whole issue lay. I personally am not bothered by "Gay Marriage", I am however bothered by the way it's being pushed, forced.

110% behind Civil Unions that have all the legal force of Marriage. Don't call it marriage though. Why is that so hard to compromise on? Cause it doesn't advance the proper political agenda.
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The contract is the Marriage License. Not the "Civil Union" license. So long as that is the case, you do not have the right to infringe upon another's right to contract.
 
MrVicchio said:
110% behind Civil Unions that have all the legal force of Marriage. Don't call it marriage though. .
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Is not a rose still a rose what ever you call it?
 
MrVicchio said:
110% behind Civil Unions that have all the legal force of Marriage. Don't call it marriage though. Why is that so hard to compromise on? Cause it doesn't advance the proper political agenda.
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Cough
Separate but equal institution
Cough
 
winston53660 said:
Is not a rose still a rose what ever you call it?
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Because the Majority of American's don't wanna call it a rose. SO instead of PISSING OFF THE MAJORITY, and being utter asses about it, what's so hard about doing the right thing now? Getting those legal rights NOW, the important stuff, the things that MATTER? I care about results, and what matters.

OH NO!!! Have to make a ****ing POLITICAL STATEMENT and shove it in everyone's faces.

"WHAT?? You don't like Gay Marriage?? YOU BIGOT!! HA HA WATCH US RAM IT THROUGH THE COURTS YOU KNUCKLE DRAGGING DUMBASSES!!!"

That's the issue and why I do NOT back Gay Marriage.
 
megaprogman said:
The due process clause of the 14th amendment applies the constitution to the states.
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That is federal this is a state issue what does the state constitution say. This can be used when it becomes a federal issue
 
ptif219 said:
That is what a state constitutional amendment is it is what the people say by voting. Prop 8 was state amendment vote
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That doesn't tell me why gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
The most your and other arguments have ammounted to is, "it offends me."

That kind of breaks the whole conservative dynamic of personal responsibility and absolute justice.
You guys contradict yourselves all the time.
 
Your Star said:
Cough
Separate but equal institution
Cough
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Cough Cough "No it's not" Cough Cough.

Nice try though.

Different label, doesn't piss the majority off, get's the important stuff done.
 
ptif219 said:
That is federal this is a state issue what does the state constitution say. This can be used when it becomes a federal issue
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All I can recommend is that you read the 14th amendment. This has been the law of the land for well over 100 years.
 
ptif219 said:
It goes against what marriage stand for. Marriage is a covenant with God not a legal issue. A marriage license is a tax on marriage
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I don't give a flying rat's ass what you do in your church. But as long as the government is passing out benes for being in a committed relationship, I ain't gonna get barred from having them just because Jeebus and you think I'm bad people.

Get over it.
 
MrVicchio said:
Because the Majority of American's don't wanna call it a rose. SO instead of PISSING OFF THE MAJORITY, and being utter asses about it, what's so hard about doing the right thing now? Getting those legal rights NOW, the important stuff, the things that MATTER? I care about results, and what matters.

OH NO!!! Have to make a ****ing POLITICAL STATEMENT and shove it in everyone's faces.

"WHAT?? You don't like Gay Marriage?? YOU BIGOT!! HA HA WATCH US RAM IT THROUGH THE COURTS YOU KNUCKLE DRAGGING DUMBASSES!!!"

That's the issue and why I do NOT back Gay Marriage.
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The majority are not allowed to infringe upon the rights of the minority. No matter how much you want it to be true. The majority can like or not like anything they want; but if they wish to act against the rights and liberties of the minority then they're just up ****'s creek without a paddle.
 
Your Star said:
We have evidence, you have rhetoric.

The anti gay marriage people use religion, tradition, and popularity to defend themselves. All of which are not defended under the constitution.
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Prop 8 was a vote on a state constitutional amenment that is how it works
 
ptif219 said:
It goes against what marriage stand for. Marriage is a covenant with God not a legal issue. A marriage license is a tax on marriage
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So no religious judges either? They should all recuse themselves?
 
Your Star said:
Care to back up this statement without religion?
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Sure, the fact that they had a vote and the majority of people voted in favor of traditional marriage. Yet now they rule it's unconstitutional when many states have done similar things with no problems. It's a ramming through of liberal values. They lost at the ballots, so they had to force it through via activist judges. It's wrong to trample on the voters like that.
 
Great, this has deteriorated into another gay rights thread instead of discussing the actual case itself.

Look, can we just agree to go to those same old posts since no one here is changing their minds on this any time soon? And can we discuss the case?
 
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