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Prop C passes overwhelmingly

EnigmaO01 said:
You know Prof I could remove you from my ignore list to see what you said, but it would be waste of time, and I'm sure it's along the same lines as the nonsense J-Mac posts. I think I'll just keep you on the ignore mode.
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i know, you already told me
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I'm sorry J-Mac that is a bald faced lie and it's amazing you are accusing someone else of using a 'talking point." There were numerous republican ideas including hundreds of amendments adopted during the committee process. Just some of the ideas adopted were:
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the gop is successfully filibustering obama's baby small biz bill because leadership refuses to allow amendments to the floor to address this:

Health care law's hidden tax change to launch 1099 avalanche - May. 5, 2010

the leader knows if he opens debate he will lose conrad, lincoln, dorgan, lieberman, ben, bayh...

it is what it is
 
EnigmaO01 said:
If you think health care costs are just fine the way they are you're either very ignorant or...
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Dems retreat on health care cost pitch - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Report: Health overhaul will increase tab - Politics - Health care reform - msnbc.com

Report: Health Care Reform Will Increase Costs - CBS News

I say let the rest of the states reform health care and let Missouri do it's own thing.
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you think the pissed off expressions spat by SEVENTY ONE PERCENT of show me's is CONFINED to missouri, the most bellwether commonwealth in the union?

LOL!
 
LiberalAvenger said:
The republicans have offered no solutions except cut spending and taxes ...
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And the last time they had power they got half of that wrong and the tax cuts, by their own design, are set to expire soon. But they double promise to be different this time....LOL...:2rofll:
 
jiltin joe, stiffneck nelson and kent conrad, budget chair and the gatekeeper's right hand, are ON RECORD---extend bush cuts to all

Kent Conrad, Senate Budget Chairman, Wants To Extend Bush Tax Cuts Without Paying For Them

that would mean there are others for whom they speak, senators with similar sentiments who've so far held their silence (in public)

do the apologists around here come across as adolescent to anyone else?

either way, party on!
 
No matter how many times you post and get worked up into a lather Prof I'm not taking you off of my ignore list.

:peace
 
ludahai said:
That extinction talk never ends. People talked about the end of the Democratic Party in 1994. Neither party is going away. There are cycles. Were one of the parties actually any good, it might threaten the other party into non-existance, but as both parties are corrupt cesspools, that isn't going to happen.
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I don't recall any extinction theory emerging from 1994. Remember, we had about 40-years of Dem control in those chambers... so nobody was thinking extinction... only euphoria at the result achieved. No lost seats at any level... House, Senate, Governorships.

LiberalAvenger said:
If the republicans gain the majority in the house they will spend all of their time investigating democrats and maybe trying another impeachment.

Some republicans are already talking about shutting down the government.

I am sure that osama bin laden is very happy about the whole ****ing deal.
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All their time? I doubt it... but I hope they do spend some time. Sestak, and other such misdeeds need be investigated. It's the job of government to investigate such things. Or do some president's get a free pass?

Shutting down government wouldn't be bad. If they could do it for 6 months of the year, perhaps 8... after we repeal ObiKare... extend the Bush tax cuts, and then reduce some more... fine with me. These busy bodies are too involved with our lives... during their 4 to 6-months in session, perhaps they can work on repealing these burdens one-by-one.

Osama??? Osama... since when had you folks cared what Osama thinks? When you folks were bashing the war effort... emboldening our enemies... did you ever think of Osama and his Journolists at al Jazeera or any other hate America network?

No... you kept plunging the dagger into the backs of our troops day-after-day... but of course you supported the troops but not the mission? How coy.

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The Prof said:
Dems retreat on health care cost pitch - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Report: Health overhaul will increase tab - Politics - Health care reform - msnbc.com

Report: Health Care Reform Will Increase Costs - CBS News



you think the pissed off expressions spat by SEVENTY ONE PERCENT of show me's is CONFINED to missouri, the most bellwether commonwealth in the union?

LOL!
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It was a very low voter turnout considering only about 17% of the electorate in Missouri actually showed up to vote. So that would be about what, 5% of the "show me's" that favored Prop C? IMO, the low voter turnout is more of bellweather, than a few tea partiers voting for what they little understand.
 
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Le Marteau said:
Dug yourselves into an even deeper economic whole, increased useless defense spending, severed more alliances, and hastened the fall of America at an ever-increasing speed?
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It's not defense spending that causes problems. It is social programs and entitlements.

I'd love to see the world where the US sat back and did nothing. Watching the Euros and Asians getting eaten alive by the Commies.

Hell, the Euros couldn't even clean up a mess in their back yard. They whined about the Balkans... protested to get us into that conflict... a battle we had no national security interest in. Because they were so lame.

That "useless defense spending" has elevated the quality of weapons to the level that we can pin point targets... saving lives. I'd wouldn't mind going back the the carpet bombing days personally. That way the leftists and media wouldn't whine when we have a smidgen of collateral damage. We'd just flatten an area and start over. The good 'ol days.

There is a saying, "peace through strength"... and as we defend the western world... the ingrates should be thankful we have been around and are around protecting their sorry asses... yes it does cost a bit. Perhaps foreign governments should help share the burden.

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LiberalAvenger said:
Examples or links please.
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EnigmaO01 said:
J-Mac doesn't believe in any examples or verification. If it feels good he says it.
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Oh, how very cute of you two....Here I'll quote an obvious hero of yours here, Robert Gibbs: "Although you may be entitled to your own opinions, as misguided as they may be, you are not entitled to your own facts"...

Remember this:

Republicans invited Obama to appear at their annual conference; the president accepted — and then surprised them by asking that cameras and reporters be allowed into the room.

Republicans immediately agreed to the request, but they may be regretting it now.
Again and again, Obama turned the Republicans questions against them — accusing them of obstructing legislation for political purposes and offering solutions that won’t work.

"I've read your legislation. I take a look at this stuff. And the good ideas we take," Obama said. "It can't be all or nothing, one way or the other … If we put together a stimulus package in which a third of it is tax cuts that normally you guys would support, and support for states and the unemployed and helping people stay on COBRA, that certainly your governors would support … and maybe there are some things in there, with respect to infrastructure, that you don't like … If there's uniform opposition because the Republican caucus doesn't get 100 percent or 80 percent of what you want, then it's going to be difficult to get a deal done, because that's not how democracy works."

House Minority Leader John Boehner, who introduced Obama to his colleagues and gave the president a stack of Republican policy proposals, said afterward that the event had been “a good first step in having more of a dialogue.”

Arizona Rep. Jeff Flake said the event had helped his party by showing that Republicans have offered alternatives to Obama’s plans.

Obama rumbles with House GOP - Yahoo! News
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It just isn't honest for liberals to be saying now that Republicans have offered nothing, no alternatives, when Obama himself said that he receives these alternatives from them, reads them, then steals what he can from them.

This is but one example.


j-mac
 
Moot said:
It was a very low voter turnout considering only about 17% of the electorate in Missouri actually showed up to vote. So that would be about what, 5% of the "show me's" that favored Prop C? IMO, the low voter turnout is more of bellweather, than a few tea partiers voting for what they little understand.
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nonsense, voter turnout on aug 3 was 23%

NEWS RELEASE: Unofficial Missouri primary turnout was 23% - Boonville, MO - Boonville Daily News

very normal for an offyear primary

Carnahan Releases Voter Turnout Estimates for August 8 Primary - Kansas City infoZine News

indeed, this year 579,000 red show me's showed up, compared to a depressed and deflated 318,000 dems

that's a ratio of 1.82 to 1

State Of Missouri | All Races

by the way, missouri's status as bellwether commonwealth is wik-wide famous

Missouri bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

worry

and LINK! show some self respect
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Where did the people go who said Republicans will pick up a majority in the Senate? I like how people say things without backing it up, not surprised at all though.
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Say things without backing them up... pro-bipart... sometimes it is obvious, and the Journolists require time to report the obvious, like a puppy that shat himself... their noses have to be dragged through the poop to discover what is what.

They hoped for change amongst the electorate, like the good propagandists they are... now some it seems, some Journolists have had weak moments (see below).

Even America's liberal elites concede that Obama's Presidency is crumbling

Political handicappers now say it is conceivable that the Republicans could also win the 10 seats they need to take back the Senate. Not since 1930 has the House changed hands without the Senate following suit.

Is this a piece from National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal or Fox News.com, all major conservative news outlets in the United States? No. It’s a direct quote from yesterday’s Washington Post, ...
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ROTFLOL... and Obama just added fuel to the fire with his remarks about taxation.

We got what we voted for. An empty suit with some slogans short enough so he didn't have to read them from a telepromteur.

In less than a couple months... the first step in correcting this travesty time will have been executed.

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Pro-bipartisan:

You wanted evidence, the bad news keeps trickling in.
To paraphrase Harry Reid, "Your war is lost."

2010 Is ‘Gone,’ Says Big-Time Dem

“He cannot save 2010,” the big-time Democrat is saying of Barack Obama. “It is gone. He must now concentrate on saving 2012. But the biggest fear of some of those close to him is that he might not really want to go on in 2012...

In my experience, the big-time Democrat has hardly ever been wrong. He does not dislike President Obama. On the contrary, like most big-time Democrats, he worked hard for his election in 2008 and would much rather see Democrats hold onto Congress this Nov. 2 than lose.

He just doesn’t think it’s going to happen...

“There is going to be a total wipeout, and it is totally going to be in Obama’s lap,” he said....

Read more: '2010 is gone for Democrats' - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com

'2010 is gone for Democrats' - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com
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Obama's electoral coalition is crumbling - Los Angeles Times

obama's coalition which got him elected---blacks, hispanics, women, youths and burbers---pew, as cited by the LA times, finds support in 4 of those 5 groups is plummeting ala independents

asked to describe the presidential putz in one word the most common response is, "disappointing"

interviewees' observations reveal the truth is getting out, the public (even ex coalition cronies) is on to THE MAN

"hoodwinked by a smooth talking politician"

"let down"

probably because of my "lofty expectations" and "naivety"

"an absolutely fantastic campaigner" who "doesn't have the skill to legislate, to build coalitions"

a "preacher-poet-professor," he "does not have the skill to bring people in"

"leadership skills have been lacking"

he "seems to dismiss opinions that differ with his vision"

"we were told the influence of lobbyists would be blunted, it has not been"

"we were told that obama would find a way to work in a bipartisan fashion"

"we were told he would go line by line thru the budget and get rid of wasteful spending"

"it really comes down to the individual," meaning THE MAN, ie, barry

what's there to disagree with?

embarrassed yet?
 
The Prof said:
Obama's electoral coalition is crumbling - Los Angeles Times

obama's coalition which got him elected---blacks, hispanics, women, youths and burbers---pew, as cited by the LA times, finds support in 4 of those 5 groups is plummeting ala independents

asked to describe the presidential putz in one word the most common response is, "disappointing"

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what's there to disagree with?

embarrassed yet?
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Embarrassed? No, not really, since Obama's ratings mirror Reagan's ratings during his second year in office. But then I must admit I'm embarrassed that I voted for Reagan, twice. :3oops:

Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan: Approval Ratings, Economy Link First Two Years - ABC News

It's uncanny.
 
hmm, comparisons between barry hussein and dear ronnie...

the polls, the unemployment rate...

fine, but you can't see that one big difference?

LOL!

why, it's fundamental
 
The Prof said:
hmm, comparisons between barry hussein and dear ronnie...

the polls, the unemployment rate...

fine, but you can't see that one big difference?

LOL!

why, it's fundamental
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ROTFL. Yeah, the difference is so fundamental, Ronnie raised payroll taxes on the middle class, increased the size of government and lowered taxes for the wealthy which resulted in the largest budget deficit since WW2 turning the US from the largest creditor nation, to the largest debtor nation in the world.

In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the very wealthy, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%.[15] As a result of all this, the budget deficit and federal debt increased considerably: debt grew from 33.3% of GDP in 1980 to 51.9% at the end of 1988 [16] and the deficit increased from 2.7% in 1980 to more than double in 1983, when it reached 6%; in 1984, 1985 and 1986 it was around 5%.[17] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion,[18] and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[19] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency.[18]
Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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and the people LOVED him
 
Agent Ferris said:
What are they going to do send in the Federal Troops to force people to buy healthcare like they did with desegregation? If the state governor holds firm then **** the Feds let them try to enforce their bull****.
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No silly goose. The Feds will let them opt out, then cancel all of their Federal appropriations.
 
Moot said:
ROTFL. Yeah, the difference is so fundamental, Ronnie raised payroll taxes on the middle class, increased the size of government and lowered taxes for the wealthy which resulted in the largest budget deficit since WW2 turning the US from the largest creditor nation, to the largest debtor nation in the world.
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37 democrat senators and 133 democrat congressmen voted for the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, but the bill was 100% Reagan's fault??

Typical lib.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, you cons worshipped himn as a god, but that is about it.
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Yeah, I guess that's why he won reelection with 585 of the popular voted and 525 electoral votes, the most in history. He also won 49 states, losing only Minnesota, Mondale's home state, by 3,800 votes.

58% of the country must have been "cons". :roll:
 
TheNextEra said:
No, you cons worshipped himn as a god, but that is about it.
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LOL!

the gip grabbed 45 states in 80, 49 in 84

he took NEW YORK and MASSACHUSSETTS twice---for example

why, his comprehensive success has become so universally recognized even the present poser made his obeisance, it was obligatory

Daily Kos: Obama "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America"

everything changed after dear ronnie's funeral, the haters came around

do you remember dear ronnie's funeral?
 
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Gill said:
37 democrat senators and 133 democrat congressmen voted for the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, but the bill was 100% Reagan's fault??

Typical lib.
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The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 was repealed in 1982 with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982, before it could take effect.....

"The original TEFRA bill as passed by the House lowered taxes[7]. The Republican-controlled Senate replaced the text of the original House bill with a number of tax increases, and the bill became law after President Ronald Reagan signed it....

In 1988, libertarian political writer Sheldon Richman described TEFRA as "the largest tax increase in American history." In 2003, former Reagan adviser Bruce Bartlett wrote in the National Review that
"TEFRA raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year", elaborating, "according to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history."[8]....

Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Typical con hypocricy.
 
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