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GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

You deserve “special treatment” as an offender of the first order, copying and pasting. You never did own up either. Shameless, too, aye.

Is there a new forum rule I'm not aware of that we now can't copy and paste? Why don't you knock off trying to be a MOD and just refute what I posted?
 
Look, I don't know a college educated person who would clean toilets or clear landscaping

Really? Because I have a lot of friends who are college graduates or currently in college who do all sorts of jobs from cleaning toilets to answering phones to construction. Of course the majority of my friends grew up in Conservative households where they were taught that hard work no matter what the job is something to be proud of. Funny the way that works huh? I guess all those liberal college kids think they are above that because they sit around and read textbooks then go get S***faced drunk.
 
Oh...and look at your California economy...who is in control of legislation there? And how is THAT working out? And damn near every other welfare sta...I mean blue state in the country for that matter...
Nah you got it right. New Yorkistan is no different.
 
Really? Because I have a lot of friends who are college graduates or currently in college who do all sorts of jobs from cleaning toilets to answering phones to construction. Of course the majority of my friends grew up in Conservative households where they were taught that hard work no matter what the job is something to be proud of. Funny the way that works huh? I guess all those liberal college kids think they are above that because they sit around and read textbooks then go get S***faced drunk.

No. I did those things when I was young. I'm not going to do it now. There are jobs for teenagers, college students, and adults. I worked in corn fields and cleaned bathrooms as a fast-food employee at that time.

I'm still paying for my college education so I can get paid to do what makes me happy. I don't make a ton of money; but I make enough to get by and at some points in the year, I work up to 100 hours in a week; so that in the summers I have a lot more free time. I also worked at a video store at night as an adult so I could afford to break into my career field by starting up a not-for-profit organization in the day. And today, the organization I work for has an annual economic impact of over $1 million, which is the equivalent of creating 25 jobs a year.

It's only in your fantasy that people who disagree with you don't work hard.

But, what you and many others fail to recognize is that people will only take the jobs that they worked as teens if they're valued properly. They're usually only about $7 - $8 per hour. Thus, most people with a college education won't take those jobs.

Additionally, if I were hiring, I wouldn't hire someone with a college education to do those things, because as soon as a better job comes along, they're out the door.

But you can ignore those practicalities and get back to attacking babies.
 
Nah you got it right. New Yorkistan is no different.

Oh, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate; poverty rates in New England, where you'd readily admit people are more liberal are much lower than they are in the South.

Additionally, you'll note that the ten states with the highest poverty rates are all typically red states.

So, how is it that Republican administrations are good for people's pocketbook? If they were so good, wouldn't there be fewer people in poverty and lower unemployment rates in those states?
 
For all the “historical context” that's being offered up on the Internet, the reality is the argument about birthright citizenship has already been to the Supreme Court.



I personally feel it is deplorable that Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has proposed amending the Constitution. But that's just a huge time consuming distraction; the fourteenth amendment will never be altered and birthright citizen will remain.

Conservatives who are so hot about “anchor babies” demonstrate their ignorance of the real immigration issues challenging this country. They appear to be looking for somebody to blame all their troubles on; but, they don't want somebody who can actually fight back! They want someone vulnerable, someone who can't defend themselves. Their latest victims? “Anchor babies.” Good grief!

and would you be so kind to express what you consider the "real immigration" issue is. It is interesting that some consider illegal immigration in the same context as legal immigration. IMO, they are two seperate issues and do not have the same solutions. We are either going to enforce the laws or not. Selective enforcement while ignoring others is not a solution.

Even China has companies set up to assist mothers to be to come to the US to have the baby. Bingo, another US citizen with non US parents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/17/AR2010071701402.html. Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.
 
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No. I did those things when I was young. I'm not going to do it now. There are jobs for teenagers, college students, and adults. I worked in corn fields and cleaned bathrooms as a fast-food employee at that time.

I'm still paying for my college education so I can get paid to do what makes me happy. I don't make a ton of money; but I make enough to get by and at some points in the year, I work up to 100 hours in a week; so that in the summers I have a lot more free time. I also worked at a video store at night as an adult so I could afford to break into my career field by starting up a not-for-profit organization in the day. And today, the organization I work for has an annual economic impact of over $1 million, which is the equivalent of creating 25 jobs a year.
It's only in your fantasy that people who disagree with you don't work hard.

But, what you and many others fail to recognize is that people will only take the jobs that they worked as teens if they're valued properly. They're usually only about $7 - $8 per hour. Thus, most people with a college education won't take those jobs.

Additionally, if I were hiring, I wouldn't hire someone with a college education to do those things, because as soon as a better job comes along, they're out the door.

But you can ignore those practicalities and get back to attacking babies.

Could you explain what this means in plain english please? Are there actually 25 jobs created? Or is this more Washington DC math?
 
… Even China has companies set up to assist mothers to be to come to the US to have the baby. Bingo, another US citizen with non US parents. For many pregnant Chinese, a U.S. passport for baby remains a powerful lure. Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.

And … help me here … and the urgent threat to the nation which requires us to change our Constitution … is … what? Baby Chinese growing up in China with American passports? Really?

I agree with you on this much: “Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.” We just disagree on what the insanity is.

You know that conservatives have gone completely off the deep end when Lou Dobbs of all people is the voice of reason in an immigration discussion.

 
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And … help me here … and the urgent threat to the nation which requires us to change our Constitution … is … what? Baby Chinese growing up in China with American passports? Really?

I agree with you on this much: “Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.” We just disagree on what the insanity is.

You know that conservatives have gone completely off the deep end when Lou Dobbs of all people is the voice of reason in an immigration discussion.


This is what I would expect coming from a sanctuary city. You are out of touch of the problem of illegals in the US. If we did not let illegals in to the US to have babies, we would not have much of an issue over the 14th.

So let me ask you, (bet you don't give a straight answer), you don't think it is a issue/problem on non US citizens entering the US illegally with the intent of having their baby? You have no problem with other countries setting up baby tours into the US with the intent of having expectent mothers to give birth to their child soley for the baby to be a US citizen? You also never gave an answer of what you view the real immigration issue is.

Your quick to condem "conservatives", yet you give no solutions. typical.
 
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Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.

Then I guess the Founders were anti-American, since the 14th amendment didn't exist.
 
It's asinine that an illegal or a tourist can give birth and the baby get automatic citizenship.
This needs to change. I'm shocked that people actually support this.

If it requires a constitutional amendment I'm all for it.

If it's a matter of the SCOTUS interpreting the law correctly then they need to do so.

Something NEEDS to be done though.
 
Then I guess the Founders were anti-American, since the 14th amendment didn't exist.

Did you really go there? Really? What might be considered "Anti-American" now and in 1780 are very different things. Women couldn't vote back then, yet I'd consider anyone who tried to take away the franchise from women backwards and anti-American. Our founding fathers were great people who did unprecedented things, but on certain issues they were still essentially cave men. Let's acknowledge that we are forever in a debt to them, but let us also acknowledge that times change.
 
We can only hope that cooler heads, both on the left and the right, prevail over the hotheads on the issue.

“They're going to fire up their base, but I think it's a damaging strategy for independents. If I'm an independent and I look at [GOP Gov.] Rick Perry saying Texas is going to secede from the union, and now I hear the Republican Party saying repeal the 14th Amendment — which has done so much good for the country — I'm beginning to worry that these guys are cuckoo.

“Not all Republicans – there are plenty of good ones – but there are a lot of people who are nuts in there.”

— Gov. Ed Rendell (D-PA)¹

“The 14th Amendment is a great legacy of the Republican party. It is a shame and an embarrassment that the GOP now wants to amend it for starkly political reasons. Initially Republicans rallied around the amendment to welcome more citizens to this country. Now it is being used to drive people away.”

— Mark McKinnon, George W. Bush campaign media advisor²

“That is the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment: They essentially wanted to take this very difficult issue — citizenship — outside of the political realm.”

— Michael Gerson, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, ibid.
 
Just because other countries do it doesn't mean we should. I see no reason why we should change our laws just because another country does. Do you want to switch to a parliamentary system too?

Far more countries have presidential systems than grant birthright citizenship to all...
 
“That is the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment: They essentially wanted to take this very difficult issue — citizenship — outside of the political realm.” — Michael Gerson, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, ibid.

Had absolutely nothing to do with the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment. What a ridiculous statement. There were absolutely no immigration controls in place when this amendment was authored. "Come One Come All." Its authors could in no way foresee the problem that illegal immigration has become today.
 

Chappy said:
“They've either taken leave of their senses or their principles.” — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

Likely, both.

Delicious, delicious irony.

Chappy said:
I forgive you for being like far too many other hyperbolic conservatives in being so deplorably ignorant of American history. Consider what happened in America some “four score following the [Constitution's] ratification.” Consider why the fourteenth amendment was necessary at all. The enshrinement in our Constitution of the principle that all persons born in this country are full, equal citizens means there is no underclass in America. It wasn't always so. There use to be an underclass; right up until America conducted the most bloody of all its wars.

Looks like someone's deplorably ignorant of his own party leader's policy proposals.

Chappy said:
Some conservatives in this country it seems would like to undo some of that history. They are despicable in my eyes.

Beam, eye.

Chappy said:
Vicious conservatives intentionally misread these phrases to mean more people, many more people, maybe some members of your family, maybe you.

VICIOUS! :lol:

Chappy said:
Can you imagine a twenty five year old who has lived their entire life as an American being told that because it was just discovered that their mother wasn't here legally, something they had no knowledge of or certainly any responsibility for, that they themselves are no longer to be treated as a citizen? It's outrageous and bizarre. Addled brained conservatives (not all conservatives, just the really ****ed up ones) endorse such notions.

Breaking: Harry Reid = addle brained conservative.

This is never going to get old.
 
americans (by a plurality of 24%, in arizona the margin is 40) are coming to re-examine this guarantee of automatic citizenship to kids born here to illegals

Most Oppose Citizenship for Children of Illegal Immigrants - Rasmussen Reports™

americans, apparently, are examing birthright citizenship thru lenses made in 2010, not 1868

sue em!

make em pee in a cup

send mr rauf to their homes to convince em

washington knows best
 
Delicious, delicious irony.



Looks like someone's deplorably ignorant of his own party leader's policy proposals.



Beam, eye.



VICIOUS! :lol:



Breaking: Harry Reid = addle brained conservative.

This is never going to get old.

Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

“I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

“A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

“… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


— Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹
 
Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

“I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

“A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

“… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


— Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹

Yeah, we all know he made an apology of sorts. But he apologized for wanting to close the border, not about birthright citizenship. Your very selective quotes in their proper context:

A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. My little wife is 5 feet tall. We have been together for soon to be 50 years. As I said here on the floor a few days ago, her father was born in Russia. He was run out of Russia. His name was Goldfarb, his family. They were Jewish. My wife heard that I had done this. She does not interfere with my legislation. Only when I ask her does she get involved in what I am doing. I didn't ask her about this. She, in effect, said: I can't believe that you have done it. But I had done it.

To compound this, I held a meeting a day or two after being confronted by my wife, a meeting in Las Vegas. It was a townhall meeting to explain this travesty that I called legislation. My friend, Judge John Mendoza, was there, somebody who, when I lost my Senate race in 1974 by 524 votes, spent all night with me consoling me, but he was in that audience. Larry Luna, Larry Mason, Isabelle Pfeiffer, people I had not talked to about this, in addition to my wife, pointed out the errors of my way. I have done everything since that meeting in Las Vegas, in conversation with my wife, to undo my embarrassment.
 
Your added context changes nothing. I know it spoils this great narrative that conservatives were delighting in but the reality is that Senator Reid apologized for his error, “the biggest mistake I ever made,” years ago.

It's time for Senator Lindsey Graham to apologize, too.
 
Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

“I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

“A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

“… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


— Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹

So if the republicans turn around tomorrow and say that they changed their minds, they'll stop being disgusting, vicious, addle-brained conservatives and become brave american patriots like Harry Reid? Or do you reserve that label for media matters-approved politicians?
 
This shouldn't be a Republican/Democrat issue. It should be an American issue. Illegals, particularly those with citizen babies, are costing states billions upon billions in welfare, medical care, education, lost jobs and lost taxes.

I can't think of another nation that doesn't require at least one parent to be a citizen in order for their children to be a citizen, and I don't think that a clause ensuring that the children of slaves would be citizens was ever meant to be abused in this extensive manner. It's time to change.
 
So if the republicans turn around tomorrow and say that they changed their minds, they'll stop being disgusting, vicious, addle-brained conservatives and become brave american patriots like Harry Reid? Or do you reserve that label for media matters-approved politicians?

This has nothing to do with Republicans or the Republican party (R.I.P.). It has to do with far too many conservatives who have earned those labels through their idiotic pronouncements, rampant bigotry and bald faced deceits. Honestly, haven't you been paying attention at all to the last thirty years in this country? This attack on the fourteenth amendment is just their latest salvo in their reactionary aggression against America.
 
This has nothing to do with Republicans or the Republican party (R.I.P.). It has to do with far too many conservatives who have earned those labels through their idiotic pronouncements, rampant bigotry and bald faced deceits. Honestly, haven't you been paying attention at all to the last thirty years in this country? This attack on the fourteenth amendment is just their latest salvo in their reactionary aggression against America.

It's like Harry Reid never happened.
 
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