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Ground zero mosque wins key vote

Agent Ferris said:
Yes I most certainly due because in that case the church she was attending directly contributed to her apocalyptic delusions, she had postpartum depression and the church she was going to threw fuel on the fire.
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There is no proof that the church "added fuel to the fire".

She was psychologically ill. The church didn't make her that way.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Islam is not at war. That idea is ridiculous.
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Of course, you and others think its ridiculous....but hear me out

Islam has fought the west since its inception. The only reason they were quiet for awhile was because they were so overmatched militarily that they couldn't do much. Modern explosives, etc. have given them a means that they did not previously possess.

To ignore that fact is to do so at our peril. The search for truth and therefore the reason the Taliban exists, is not something you can eliminate. Thats why, I suggest our target is Islam and the validity of that belief system. Anything less will leave us with a false sense of security. Islam itself breeds the mindset you see in the likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. We cannot afford to ignore that.

There is sufficient support for their view in the Koran, etc., that we may kill off every member of the Taliban and Al Quaeda, and there will be a new group in the next generation that will espouse a similar belief and continue the war against us simply because we exist and the only way we will be at peace with Islam is if we are dead or Muslim ourselves. And if we convert, we'll only be at peace with our sect as Sunni and Shia are perfectly happy killing each other as well.
 
ric27 said:
Change it and its no longer Islam - and since Islam is perfect and literally true then why would Muslims want to change it?

Show me wrong
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You don't change Islam. You re interpret it.
All the Qu'ran is a interpretation by people that makes it relevant for the time they are living. New fatwa's and rulings come about for the same reason.
The Qu'ran is perfect, no one is changing the physical text. It's meaning however is endless.

If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.
 
Laila said:
If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.
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Probably the same way we react to it every year...we mostly ignore it. Except sometimes I wish youknowho a happy Eid. That's about it.
 
Laila said:
If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.
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Selfish indifference or sheer blissful ignorance I would imagine. We simply don't care. ;)
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Selfish indifference or sheer blissful ignorance I would imagine. We simply don't care. ;)
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Eid will fall on either the 10th or 11th of September depending on the moon and what night it shows. But most likely 11th considering we started fasting on the 11th of August.
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Laila said:
Eid will fall on either the 10th or 11th of September depending on the moon and what night it shows. But most likely 11th considering we started fasting on the 11th of August.
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Won't matter. We are not anti-muslim, even here in NY...
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Is that supposed to justify your post?
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Justify my post? What an absurd thing to say on an opinion site.

I can express my opinion and you can either agree with it and move on, or reject it and argue against it. To be of a belief that I must justify anything to you shows something about you friend.

j-mac
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
There is no proof that the church "added fuel to the fire".

She was psychologically ill. The church didn't make her that way.
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She was psychologically ill but the church sure as hell added fuel to the fire with its apocalypitic visions of fire and brimstone.
 
Laila said:
Eid will fall on either the 10th or 11th of September depending on the moon and what night it shows. But most likely 11th considering we started fasting on the 11th of August.
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That's interesting that it will fall on 9/11. I wonder if this means that some people will make political hay by showing muslims "celebrating" the anniversary of 9/11. Now i understand your concern, somewhat.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
That's interesting that it will fall on 9/11. I wonder if this means that some people will make political hay by showing muslims "celebrating" the anniversary of 9/11. Now i understand your concern, somewhat.
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Depends I guess if they are celebrating it using signs of the twin towers falling, while chanting 'Death to America!"

j-mac
 
Catz Part Deux said:
That's interesting that it will fall on 9/11. I wonder if this means that some people will make political hay by showing muslims "celebrating" the anniversary of 9/11. Now i understand your concern, somewhat.
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Just a coincidental collision of the dates which is beyond our authority. The calendar moves back 11 days every year.
 
Laila said:
Just a coincidental collision of the dates which is beyond our authority. The calendar moves back 11 days every year.
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I know. I still would not be surprised to see footage of muslims celebrating, on 9/11, on Glenn Beck.
 
donsutherland1 said:
In advance, even as it is next month, have a great Eid.
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:)
Thank you Don although I no doubt need more luck in surviving this month to even celebrate Eid. 17 hours fasting is not going to be easy.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I know. I still would not be surprised to see footage of muslims celebrating, on 9/11, on Glenn Beck.
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Yeah, I can imagine that particular footage already.
 
ric27 said:
Islam CANNOT. Its theologically impossible to change the Koran (though it could be argued its possible to add and subtract hadith from the 'good' and 'bad' pile). Islam is a fixed state religion, irrevocably frozen in its form. Change it and its no longer Islam - and since Islam is perfect and literally true then why would Muslims want to change it?

Show me wrong
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You know, there's a lot of hateful things in the Bible too. But as Christianity grew separate from government, it put its hostilities behind them. Surely at some point in history it would have looked as those Christianity too couldn't change. But it did. And there are tons of Muslims in America who don't preach this violence. In fact, the preach a very open and accepting tolerance. Why do we need to be against these people? America happens to be the best place on the planet for religious freedom and places for religions to grow and change. You can say why would they want to change it? Because they'll gain new experiences. Because there is no infinite and everything changes over time. Because in the right environment it becomes clear that religious people can co-exist in peace. Religion doesn't have to be a divider. I don't really give a rats ass what the Koran or Bible say, I care what the actual practitioners of the religion are saying. And there are damned well plenty of Muslims out there not preaching hate, not preaching against America, not siding with the terrorists. Enough to know that change and acceptance is possible. Maybe not in the middle east, they need to get rid of their theocracies before Islam can really grow there. But here for sure. This is America. Land of the Free!

Now if only we can get the same acceptance for atheists. Some of y'all support those divisive bus signs which sorta lie about where the mosque is and where it's at. But how many were outraged when a group of atheists tried to put up a sign on a bus? Tons of y'all. Y'all need some consistency and a few of ya need to let go of your hate.
 
Ikari said:
Now if only we can get the same acceptance for atheists. Some of y'all support those divisive bus signs which sorta lie about where the mosque is and where it's at. But how many were outraged when a group of atheists tried to put up a sign on a bus? Tons of y'all. Y'all need some consistency and a few of ya need to let go of your hate.
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Everyone knows that atheists murder babies and serve them delicately poached in butter over crostinis for tea.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Everyone knows that atheists murder babies and serve them delicately poached in butter over crostinis for tea.
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How the hell else would you serve a baby? I mean, we're not savages over here!
 
Ikari said:
You know, there's a lot of hateful things in the Bible too. But as Christianity grew separate from government, it put its hostilities behind them.
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I can think of no instance where the merging of religion and government has not corrupted both institutions. Church and state should be separate for the health of both church and state.
 
Coronado said:
I can think of no instance where the merging of religion and government has not corrupted both institutions. Church and state should be separate for the health of both church and state.
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Exactly, theocracy just makes religion a tool of the State. The State will use it to justify whatever it needs to justify at that moment. Theocracy perverts the religion. And this is what we see in the Middle East. Now you go to places which are more open and free and less hostile towards Muslims, like the US was for awhile; and you see a good growth of the religion in non-violent aspects. I have met a lot of people, and I ain't met the Muslim yet who wants to bring death to America. Most of the Muslims I've met love it here.

I think that some people go off the deep end when talking about Islam and Muslims to such an extent as they are no longer capable of rational thought when the subject is brought up.
 
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