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Ground zero mosque wins key vote

Barbbtx said:
Did you happen to see the guy(think he was from the State Dept.)? Anyway he was ummming all over the place trying to explain why we were sending this guy to the ME on taxpayers dime. He was trying to say it's nothing unusual, though he failed as far I'm concerned.
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Yeah, P.J. Crowley....Obama's gift to the state dept straight out of the Centers for American Progress.


j-mac
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
you know you bore the hell out of me boo, you should feel privileged I wasted this much time with you. :pimpdaddy:
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I'd rather be impressed with you making a sound argument. Spend more time than one liners and silliness, always turning personal. But, what can you do? :lamo
 
j-mac said:
I guess they feel they do....this is the stated mission.



so there you have it.


j-mac
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You realize how ridiculous it is to think that the State Department is the final arbiter of who shall speak on behalf of every American Muslim, right?
 
Coronado said:
You realize how ridiculous it is to think that the State Department is the final arbiter of who shall speak on behalf of every American Muslim, right?
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Look, I am just telling you what the Obama administration thinks, and since they are sending him abroad to speak on behalf of American Muslims, they think he does. Your beef is with the Obama administration, not me.


j-mac
 
Lord knows lower Manhattan needs another gay bar within walking distance, too ...
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This is a serious thing that a few conservatives are proposing to do.
 
Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote
Originally Posted by Coronado
Ah, so the State Department runs Islam in America. Gotcha.
I guess they feel they do....this is the stated mission.


“He is a distinguished Muslim cleric,” said State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley. “We do have a program whereby, through our Educational and Cultural Affairs Bureau here at the State Department, we send people from Muslim communities here in this country around the world to help people overseas understand our society and the role of religion within our society.”

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“It is to foster greater understanding and outreach around the world, among… Muslim- majority communities,” said Crowley. “We've done this many, many times, with many leading figures… over the past few years.”

Confirmed: State Dept. Sending Ground Zero Mosque Imam on Middle East Junket | The Weekly Standard
so there you have it.


j-mac

Yea, that sounds like what I saw on TV. Only thing is, reading it is different than watching it. He was sayimg Umm constantly and tripping over his words. I got the impression he was lying and not comfortable doing it.
 
Is the fact that this guy making this mosque works for the US news to any of you? I thought this was explained when the story first got hot.
 
Coronado said:
The point is, most Christians would put faith above country, just as most Muslims.
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The source documents for Christians absolutely oppose violence to spread religion. It is allowed for self defense and by law enforcement. It doesn't even allow violence in response to petty insults and forbids vengeance.

The Christian church is not Islam and its leaders exercise far less authority and power over their members than do Imams, Mullahs, etc. The problem is, Islam calls for the subjugation and conversion of the world, by all means, including lying, murder and terror.

Muslim culture lives an eye for an eye. The rule of secular, civil law is secondary to the "right" of a family or tribe to make their own justice by killing someone on the other side. Back & forth with almost no one willing to step back from the next act of revenge.

Pat Robertson?
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Now you're really reaching. He doesn't represent a large segment of Christianity, let alone a majority. And no one has committed a murder or other act of violence because of his citation of an Old Testament command as justification. And before you bring up the nutcases that have bombed abortion clinics, they have been condemned by most Christians and Christian leaders (99%+ ?), and have been tracked down, captured and prosecuted by people who (most probably) are Christian.

Billy Graham?
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Billy Graham (I'm not of his denomination by the way), I think he has never been involved in scandal and has kept himself clean.


I don't know about the other dude...

Coronado - You can keep squirming around this, but the fact is, you ****ed up. You don't differentiate between different religions and you don't make objective observations, comparisons or points.
 
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JohnWOlin said:
This is a serious thing that a few conservatives are proposing to do.
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I saw the other thread on this after I posted. I think it's funny as hell!
 
The source documents for Christians absolutely oppose violence to spread religion.
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The Crusades? The fact that Ireland fought and killed their own for years over two very similar Christian religions?

Everything you say dude is UNREAL.
 
j-mac said:
Good post Ferris. On the part I bolded out, they have already failed from what I can see.

[video]http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hdnz8zZuQu[/video]


j-mac
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Then they should be shut the **** down, their assets should be frozen and if they are found guilty they should be siezed. But ofcourse the Islamist Sympathizer In Chief won't have his attorney general prosecute just like he wouldn't have him prosecute the black Nazi's who were conducting voter intimidation.
 
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JohnWOlin said:
The Crusades?
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Really? you have to go back thousands of years to come up with an example?

The fact that Ireland fought and killed their own for years over two very similar Christian religions?
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This alone shows your complete lack of understanding in this area.

j-mac
 
JohnWOlin said:
Ok sorry to break up the poo-flinging for a second guys, but does anyone else think half these guys are just kidding around and aren't serious? I mean, I assume the ultra-mega-cons here talking about the muslim terror are in their 40s,50s etc....someone that old truly cannot be that ignorant and it would have to be an act....I refuse to believe otherwise.
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A) The guy responsible for this thing, supports a Sharia compliant U.S., blamed the U.S. for 9-11, said OBL was made in America, and refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization.

B) There is no such thing as a non-oppressive/non-violent mainstream version of Islam today, the only non-violent/non-oppressive version of Islam is Sufism but it is not mainstream and all five of the major Islamic schools of Fiqh view it as heretical.
 
JohnWOlin said:
The Crusades?
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Were a response to Islamic imperialist expansionism nice try though.

The fact that Ireland fought and killed their own for years over two very similar Christian religions?
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It had very little to do with religion which was only used to distinguish between natives and those with ties to the British crown. There were many Irish Protestants who took part in the troubles on the side of Ireland against the British.
 
JohnWOlin said:
The Crusades?
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New Testament. Period


The fact that Ireland fought and killed their own for years over two very similar Christian religions?

Everything you say dude is UNREAL.
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That N Ireland conflict was or is nationalist/separatist, not religious....

Keep showing your true ignorance
 
Well whatever, you're all retarded. Keep going in circles with this, I'm going to go back to a thread that is a little less pointless...this might take awhile.
 
I see a lot of the Tea Partiers here complaining about being shoved into a single, childish stereotype doing the exact same thing to Muslims.
 
If we are a "Christian Nation" and Christianity is so peaceful, then why are we always at war?
 
JohnWOlin said:
Well whatever, you're all retarded. Keep going in circles with this, I'm going to go back to a thread that is a little less pointless...this might take awhile.
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You mean there is a 'joy of homosexuality' thread out there.....oooops, did I say that out loud?


j-mac
 
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