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Ground zero mosque wins key vote

Ikari said:
So you're Madam Cleo now?

How about this one. I think most rational people would be quick to recognize that Gardener has not spent even a nanosecond researching history, the course of government, and the political ideologies behind the varying founders as they constructed this country and its emphasis on our rights and liberties is espouses.
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That is just, plain, stupid, especially inasmuch as I have stated numerous times that I support their right to build.
 
ric27 said:
Ask several hundred Muslims if they consider themselves Muslims or US citizens first?....Muslims before US citizens. Then ask them where they get their guidance.

Get back to me
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Ask several hundered Muslims what they plan to do about it. I don't give a **** what they consider themselves; so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. And if they do, we can act. But what the **** is several hundred going to do against 100 million? Not much.
 
Gardener said:
That is just, plain, stupid, especially inasmuch as I have stated numerous times that I support their right to build.
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Hey, why do you get to have the monopoly on plain and stupid comments? You think you're all that while making them, but it doesn't seem like you can take them. My grandma always said that if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
 
Ikari said:
Ask several hundered Muslims what they plan to do about it. I don't give a **** what they consider themselves; so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. And if they do, we can act. But what the **** is several hundred going to do against 100 million? Not much.
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You see my friend you have it all wrong, thoughcrime alone is excellent jusitifcation that "Some animals are more equal than other animals."
 
ric27 said:
Ask several hundred Muslims if they consider themselves Muslims or US citizens first?....Muslims before US citizens. Then ask them where they get their guidance.

Get back to me
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Ask several hundred Christians the same thing. I bet the answers are very much alike.
 
Ikari said:
Ignoring it? So you want to present this false dichotomy eh? Is that really all you have to fall back on? No one said ignore it. People are saying "don't over react to it". If you start going after our freedoms, you're over reacting.
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Sorry if my opinion of not wanting a radical Muslim Imam to build a political shrine 600ft from where 3000 people lost their lives upsets you so. Pragmatism in taking a closer look at the 'who's, what's, where's, and why's' should be a staple of Homeland Security, not as you put it, an over reaction.

...we need to understand that terrorists will exist so long as there are pissed off people with no power in the world.
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Ahhh..Here we go....It is the poor people oppressed by the West that are forced to kill us....That is pure tripe.

And that's most likely going to be true so long as there are advanced human cultures on this planet. So terrorists happen.
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Thanks for upholding the radical Islam line of BS. I guess all would be better if we just cease to exist.

You see, freedom is inherently dangerous. When you aggregate it over a large enough population, you get abuses and crime and other undesirable effects. But this is a consequence of freedom. In a free state we will never be 100% safe, we take the risk as necessary and worth the cost of our freedom. When people start acting against that freedom, that's when we have true problems. Terrorists? No, they can't change our laws. They can't take our freedom. They have no chance in hell of ever beating us. The best they can do is ram a plane into a building. That's their ace in the hole. They did it, they got lucky and it worked beyond their wildest dream. That ace is done burnt up now though. And the most successful terrorist attack on our State soil proper didn't even kill more people than cars do in a year. And that was what, 10 years ago? Terrorists ain't got ****. If they were smart they would have synchronously blown up the TSA lines in the biggest US airports by now. But they ain't even smart enough to think that one up.
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Do you all see what is happening here folks? Forget 9/11, that was so long ago, it can never happen again. Forget those killed that day, they are insignificant. The only thing that matters is that we are the real evil in the world.

Great lines, I bet you'd be a hit at the UN.

So in the end, the true threat ain't the terrorists. Live free or die I say. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. If they kill a small number of us, they kill a small number of us. Die free. But they ain't ever going to change us. They don't have the power. The real threat is the threat that actually works against our rights and against our liberty. The thing that has control over that, the thing that can effect that; and that's the government itself. And now we see the dangers of the Chicken Littles crying that the sky is falling. You're helping the true threat. Supporting that which can actually take our freedom, circumvent our rights, and empowering it to do so.

Live free or die, death is not the greatest of sins.
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So tell us Ikari, who's children are you willing to give up so that you don't have to be bothered thinking about this threat? Who's kids should die so that you can just chalk it up to more American arrogance, and blame your own country for what happens at the hands of 7th century radicals? You go live free pal, and rest assured that there are those willing to lay down their lives to protect your endeavor of that end, but don't for one second think that those wanting to check a little deeper in order to not allow another disaster like 9/11 are somehow lower than you because your arm chair quarterbacking of the problem consists of doing absolutely nothing but blaming this country for what we get. In fact the Imam Rauf agrees with you.


j-mac
 
what can 100 muslims do?

i'm stunned anyone would ask

cordoba may have the right to build down there but that doesn't make it right

if cordoba really wants to improve community relations, it should listen to its neighbors

blind governor paterson can hear em

you'd have to be deaf not to

this thing will never be built, it takes too long and the heat is too hot

politics perpetually prevails
 
Coronado said:
Ask several hundred Christians the same thing. I bet the answers are very much alike.
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Do you hear the voice of "American Muslims" calling the GSJ bad Muslims?

Name them
 
j-mac said:
Sorry if my opinion of not wanting a radical Muslim Imam to build a political shrine 600ft from where 3000 people lost their lives upsets you so. Pragmatism in taking a closer look at the 'who's, what's, where's, and why's' should be a staple of Homeland Security, not as you put it, an over reaction.
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You can not like it all you want. There's nothing you can do legally about it though

j-mac said:
Ahhh..Here we go....It is the poor people oppressed by the West that are forced to kill us....That is pure tripe.
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My god, you people really need to learn to ****ing read. I can't believe humans can't do something as simple as comprehend written language. Did I say it's the West oppressing people and those people fighting back? No, I said pissed off people with no power. For ****'s sake. And there's always going to be pissed off people with no power. It's just the way of things. I'm not saying it's the West's fault for its actions. Jesus tap dancing Christ on a pogo stick. Sometimes I think the brick wall has better reading comprehension skills than some of you people.

j-mac said:
Thanks for upholding the radical Islam line of BS. I guess all would be better if we just cease to exist.
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OMG, Drama queen much? I stated a simple fact. Grow up.

j-mac said:
Do you all see what is happening here folks? Forget 9/11, that was so long ago, it can never happen again. Forget those killed that day, they are insignificant. The only thing that matters is that we are the real evil in the world.

Great lines, I bet you'd be a hit at the UN.
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Did I say forget it? Huh? Point out where I said it or admit that you either are lying or can't read English. Did I say it could never happen again? Point out where I said it or admit that you either are lying or can't read English. That's it. I'm tired of your misrepresenting of my posts. I didn't say ignore it. In fact in earlier posts I said there are reasonable and rational things we can do about it. I'm talking about the overreaction to it. And I didn't say it can't happen again. In fact if you could read, you'd see that I specifically said we'll suffer through another terrorist attack at some point. God damned it, I refuse to believe it is this hard to read.

j-mac said:
So tell us Ikari, who's children are you willing to give up so that you don't have to be bothered thinking about this threat? Who's kids should die so that you can just chalk it up to more American arrogance, and blame your own country for what happens at the hands of 7th century radicals? You go live free pal, and rest assured that there are those willing to lay down their lives to protect your endeavor of that end, but don't for one second think that those wanting to check a little deeper in order to not allow another disaster like 9/11 are somehow lower than you because your arm chair quarterbacking of the problem consists of doing absolutely nothing but blaming this country for what we get. In fact the Imam Rauf agrees with you.


j-mac
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And then I get this. Oh won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN. Nothing but plea to emotion. Kids die every day, are you concerned about that? Or are you just playing the kid card here because you have no rational response to give. How many kids have been taken out by terrorists? Hmm? Got a number? Does it approach other values? Gravity, water, guns, cars? Save your plea to emotion for someone dumb enough to fall for it. You ain't got any statistics or numbers to back your claim. We should allow this HUGE expansion of the government, this movement to give up our rights because of the children. Thanks Mrs. Lovejoy, but no thanks. I'd rather my kids grow up free.
 
j-mac said:
Kind of funny, but insulting mockery at the same time...Probably not going to solve this one....


j-mac
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I thought it was funny, and I think the insults, if you know exactly who it is directed at, are spot on IMHO. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
I thought it was funny, and I think the insults, if you know exactly who it is directed at, are spot on IMHO. ;)
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You mean those who lost family and loved ones in the towers? Yeah, those ****heads deserve the ire of idiots like stewart. :lol:
 
Ikari said:
You can not like it all you want. There's nothing you can do legally about it though
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What have I said that leads you to believe that there is a legal ramification to this political problem?

sorry, let the temper tantrum continue....

My god, you people really need to learn to ****ing read. I can't believe humans can't do something as simple as comprehend written language. Did I say it's the West oppressing people and those people fighting back? No, I said pissed off people with no power. For ****'s sake. And there's always going to be pissed off people with no power. It's just the way of things. I'm not saying it's the West's fault for its actions. Jesus tap dancing Christ on a pogo stick. Sometimes I think the brick wall has better reading comprehension skills than some of you people.



OMG, Drama queen much? I stated a simple fact. Grow up.
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(Slow golf clap) Bravo....Is this where you throw yourself to the ground and start kicking and crying 'it's not fair, it's not fair!'?


Did I say forget it? Huh? Point out where I said it or admit that you either are lying or can't read English. Did I say it could never happen again? Point out where I said it or admit that you either are lying or can't read English. That's it. I'm tired of your misrepresenting of my posts. I didn't say ignore it. In fact in earlier posts I said there are reasonable and rational things we can do about it. I'm talking about the overreaction to it. And I didn't say it can't happen again. In fact if you could read, you'd see that I specifically said we'll suffer through another terrorist attack at some point. God damned it, I refuse to believe it is this hard to read.
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Oh yeah, that's mature...."point out those SPECIFIC WORDS" What a joke!


And then I get this. Oh won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN. Nothing but plea to emotion. Kids die every day, are you concerned about that? Or are you just playing the kid card here because you have no rational response to give. How many kids have been taken out by terrorists? Hmm? Got a number? Does it approach other values? Gravity, water, guns, cars? Save your plea to emotion for someone dumb enough to fall for it. You ain't got any statistics or numbers to back your claim. We should allow this HUGE expansion of the government, this movement to give up our rights because of the children. Thanks Mrs. Lovejoy, but no thanks. I'd rather my kids grow up free.
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Yep, cause of people like me to make sure you can. Remember that. Now go throw your temper tantrums somewhere else. thanks for your lack of contribution.


j-mac
 
ric27 said:
Do you hear the voice of "American Muslims" calling the GSJ bad Muslims?

Name them
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The point is, most Christians would put faith above country, just as most Muslims.

Who might the "voice of 'American Muslims'" be? Who is the voice of American Christians? Pat Robertson? Billy Graham? Joel Osteen?
 
@ ReverendHellh0und



كافر

i would not use that word for me or anyone, i am sure that you do not know the meaning of that word 'kafir'. btw, you could be wrong today, but it does not mean you will be so tomorrow.

i just wanted to say that, cuz it is really important, even though you cannot now understand it.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You mean those who lost family and loved ones in the towers? Yeah, those ****heads deserve the ire of idiots like stewart. :lol:
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I've heard a couple of them speak, who are not targeted by Stewart, and they don't seem to have a problem. Extreme emotionlism, misguided emotionalism, is not very convincing when discussing something logically.
 
soguks said:
@ ReverendHellh0und



كافر

i would not use that word for me or anyone, i am sure that you do not know the meaning of that word 'kafir'. btw, you could be wrong today, but it does not mean you will be so tomorrow.

i just wanted to say that, cuz it is really important, even though you cannot now understand it.
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:mrgreen:


Please to be explaining.
 
j-mac said:
What have I said that leads you to believe that there is a legal ramification to this political problem?
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Nothing. I just don't care if you don't like it. You not liking it has nothing to do with it. There's nothing you can legally do about it, so you can sit there and not like it all you want; but that's it.

j-mac said:
(Slow golf clap) Bravo....Is this where you throw yourself to the ground and start kicking and crying 'it's not fair, it's not fair!'?
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That's all you got huh? Can't really defend your misrepresentations or inability to properly comprehend what's written eh? K. And no, this is the point where I weep for American education. It's obviously failed.

j-mac said:
Oh yeah, that's mature...."point out those SPECIFIC WORDS" What a joke!
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That's all you got? More deflection. Not even the specific words, where have I expressed any of those ideals? Come on, you wanted to flap those gums, run that mouth. Put up. You accused me of saying things I didn't say, I just asked you to back up your accusations and all I got was this deflection. K, noted.

j-mac said:
Yep, cause of people like me to make sure you can. Remember that. Now go throw your temper tantrums somewhere else. thanks for your lack of contribution.


j-mac
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Hey at least I'm not sitting around making crap up about other people's posts. Thanks for your intellectual dishonesty.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've heard a couple of them speak, who are not targeted by Stewart, and they don't seem to have a problem. Extreme emotionlism, misguided emotionalism, is not very convincing when discussing something logically.
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I know, that's why we need to berate these widowed housewives and shame them for their horrid views.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I know, that's why we need to berate these widowed housewives and shame them for their horrid views.
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I'm not sure that happened though in that clip. I don't know, maybe I missed it.
 
soguks said:
@ ReverendHellh0und



كافر

i would not use that word for me or anyone, i am sure that you do not know the meaning of that word 'kafir'. btw, you could be wrong today, but it does not mean you will be so tomorrow.

i just wanted to say that, cuz it is really important, even though you cannot now understand it.
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That's some cool ink!
 
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