• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Ground zero mosque wins key vote

And yet say nothing about an Islamist POS who says that the U.S. was a co-conspirator in 9-11 and that OBL was made in America 16 days after 9-11. Shows them for what they are, they can care less about the 1st amendment if it's not being used to promote an Islamist anti-American agenda.

If he says that, he's a retard. But all this hoopla over the mosque plays right into their hands. First, there's nothing you can do about it. We all know this to be true. Second, you are giving them **** tons of publicity. Boom, here's this mosque. Let's keep talking about, let's keep it in the news, let's advertise who the owner is and his beliefs so if anyone out there may feel the same they know. The only thing you can do by continually bitching about this is to help their cause. If everyone shrugged their shoulders, said "it's a free country", and went on their way; this would be done and over and no one would care about that jackoff's mosque.

And while OBL wasn't made in America, we did train his ass. We trained a lot of those jerks over there to fight a proxy war with terrorists that Russia was training over there.
 
Last edited:
I accepted the Hamas quote you hack. That has nothing to do with it.

Bull****, I had to get the video and audio because you refused to accept the NYPOST article with the direct quote and then your ran away.

The longest circulating newspaper in the country is a meaningless thing to say, says nothing about content.

You failed to prove that the groundbreaking ceremony was on 9/11 2011. Your sources were:

NYPOST (Tabloid)
Opinion Article By Rabbi
Opinion article by a Republican running for governor of New York State

Bias some?

lol I provided a source from the NYPost, the Huffington Post, and CNN.

The NYPost is unacceptable I guess because wikipedia labels them a tabloid, the Huffington Post was unacceptable I guess because Jews can't be trusted, and I guess CNN just publishes **** without factchecking. :roll:
 
Bull****, I had to get the video and audio because you refused to accept the NYPOST article with the direct quote and then your ran away.



lol I provided a source from the NYPost, the Huffington Post, and CNN.

The NYPost is unacceptable I guess because wikipedia labels them a tabloid, the Huffington Post was unacceptable I guess because Jews can't be trusted, and I guess CNN just publishes **** without factchecking. :roll:

It has nothing to do with the dude being Jewish.

CNN's page: AN OPINION ARTICLE. Clearly states that all content on the page was the OPINION of the Author, and not of CNN.

NYPOST is a tabloid, whether Wikipedia says it or not. Or shall I illustrate my point:

NYPape.jpg


Yep, hard hitting facts newspaper if I EVER saw one.
 
If he says that, he's a retard.

It's not an if, he said it, it's fact, the video and audio is on the interwebs of him saying it.

But all this hoopla over the mosque plays right into their hands. First, there's nothing you can do about it.

Protest.

We all know this to be true. Second, you are giving them **** tons of publicity. Boom, here's this mosque. Let's keep talking about, let's keep it in the news, let's advertise who the owner is and his beliefs so if anyone out there may feel the same they know. The only thing you can do by continually bitching about this is to help their cause. If everyone shrugged their shoulders, said "it's a free country", and went on their way; this would be done and over and no one would care about that jackoff's mosque.

Let's see how many Muslims want to go to Mosque when there's a crowd of people wearing piglet t-shirts out front every day.

And while OBL wasn't made in America, we did train his ass.

No we didn't that's a myth which has some how become ingrained into the public consciousness. There is absolutely 0 evidence that the U.S. trained OBL or provided him directly with weapons or funding. He may have gotten weapons from the ISI which were payed for with U.S. funds but that doesn't prove U.S. knowledge or approval, the foreign Jihadists had their own sources of funding, that is what al-Qaeda is, it is the fundraising network of charity front groups left over after the Soviet-Afghan war.
 
It has nothing to do with the dude being Jewish.

Then what does it have to do with? What's your point about him being a rabbi?

CNN's page: AN OPINION ARTICLE. Clearly states that all content on the page was the OPINION of the Author, and not of CNN.

NYPOST is a tabloid, whether Wikipedia says it or not. Or shall I illustrate my point:

NYPape.jpg


Yep, hard hitting facts newspaper if I EVER saw one.

What is this picture (if even real) supposed to prove?
 
Didn't you know? Rape is now permissable for Muslims according to a judge in New Jersey, whereas, non-Muslims can be successfully sued for refusing to cater at same sex weddings based on their own assinine religious beliefs.

Okay, now I disagree with these court decisions but your presentation of this is disgustingly dishonest.

Based on your own link the court did not find that "Rape", in a general sense as YOU present it by omitting additional information to imply generality, is permissable for Muslims. What the judge found was that the required intent to criminally assult was not present and as such could not be classified as rape and as such denied a singular restraining order. Now I disagree strongly with this ruling, but you it is completley misleading to suggest it rules that "Rape", in a generals sense as you present it, is permissible for muslims.

Your presentation of the second one is questionable as well as you fail to mention that the ruilng was handed down due to a state law and thus would apply only to that state rather than your seeming broad generalization.
 
Well if not him directly, then his lot for sure. And through that training enabled his own. The bigger point there is that we have really ****ed around with all sorts of other people for a long time. We shouldn't be surprised when there's blowback. In fact, if we can keep that in mind, we could make better decisions in the present. Regardless, it's not justification of 9/11 but rather just a simple fact of reality.

More to the point, I don't think you're going to prevent people from using the mosque because you have a piggie shirt on. It'll get built, it'll get used. There's a large enough Muslim population in NY. The only thing you do by continually protesting for no valid or logical reason whatsoever is just to keep this guy and his mosque in the news. You play into his hands. But hey, if you wanna help support this mosque in your own way, I ain't gonna stop ya.
 
Then what does it have to do with? What's your point about him being a rabbi?

Perhaps I shouldn't have put that down, but if it was an Imam talking about a Jewish institution without citing any source for a claim like this, would you feel the same? Doubt it.

Point is, opinion articles are NOT FACT.

What is this picture (if even real) supposed to prove?

Well if some muslims are bad, and to you taht makes all muslims bad. Then if this is the front page of a random NYPOST issue, then by your logic they're all equally as stupid.

NYPOST is a tabloid, regardless of how old it is.

If your claim was so true (which is isnt) how come you can't find a non-opinion article, main stream source to prove it. I looked, if it was true I'd want to know, and it would certainly change my opinion quite a bit. But I'm interested in facts, and this I'm afraid to say, is not one of them.
 
And other people have the right to call those protesters "retards".

So people whom are against the building of this mosque so close to the Ground Zero site of 9/11 are 'retards' eh?....Let's see what some of the moderate muslims that are here have to say about it shall we?


Of particular interest are the views of leading Muslim moderates

...

“For us, a mosque was always a place to pray, to be together on holidays — not a way to make an ostentatious architectural statement,’’ Jasser said. “Ground zero shouldn’t be about promoting Islam. It’s the place where war was declared on us as Americans.’’ To use that space for Muslim outreach, he argues, is “the worst form of misjudgment.’’

...

Schwartz notes that the spiritual leader of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, describes himself as a Sufi — a Muslim focused on Islamic mysticism and spiritual wisdom. But “building a 15-story Islamic center at ground zero isn’t something a Sufi would do,’’

...

Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi native who founded the Institute for Gulf Affairs and is an advocate for civil rights and religious freedom in the Middle East, hopes for the best from Cordoba House. “A mosque should be a good thing,’’ he told me. But he worries about the number of Americans who may be “hurt and upset’’ by the project, and wonders whether a mosque is really the best thing for Muslims to build so close to ground zero.

A mosque at ground zero? - The Boston Globe

Now that I have used what should be an acceptable source to all, with direct quotes of Muslim leaders right here that are in opposition to the Mosque site, are they 'retards'?


j-mac
 
Last edited by a moderator:
So people whom are against the building of this mosque so close to the Ground Zero site of 9/11 are 'retards' eh?....Let's see what some of the moderate muslims that are here have to say about it shall we?




Now that I have used what should be an acceptable source to all, with direct quotes of Muslim leaders right here that are in opposition to the Mosque site, are they 'retards'?


j-mac

I think the whole lot of the jerks are.
 
Perhaps I shouldn't have put that down, but if it was an Imam talking about a Jewish institution without citing any source for a claim like this, would you feel the same? Doubt it.

Point is, opinion articles are NOT FACT.



Well if some muslims are bad, and to you taht makes all muslims bad. Then if this is the front page of a random NYPOST issue, then by your logic they're all equally as stupid.

NYPOST is a tabloid, regardless of how old it is.

If your claim was so true (which is isnt) how come you can't find a non-opinion article, main stream source to prove it. I looked, if it was true I'd want to know, and it would certainly change my opinion quite a bit. But I'm interested in facts, and this I'm afraid to say, is not one of them.

Jet.

That was a legitimate story. It happened a few months ago when her pet ape killed her friend.
 
Awww, its cute AND unbelievable...by that I am of course referencing your utter dishonesty by clipping what you actually quoted from "member 1". Now boys and girls, lets look at the whole sentence to illustrate Prof's pathetic dishonset spin, shall we?



Wow, so now that we actually post his WHOLE statement we see Prof's utter and blatant dishonesty, as we see that member 1 says to build whatever you want EXECPT AT GROUND ZERO. Thus my asking for clarification, since at one point he's saying "build whatever you want" while at the same time he's saying "Don't build at ground zero".

Notice as well, rather than continually just ASSUME I know what J-Mac's talking about (and furthermore completely stating something that he's specifically and repeatedly stated clearly that he's NOt saying) and commenting on it as if my view of what he said is fact I'm actually asking for clarification to better address what he's saying. Again, you show you're dishonesty in editing down what I said to give it a different meaning. The full statement:



Seriously prof, you're attempts at dishonesty are so pathetically weak that they're almost cute in their laughability.

Damn, it's times like this that I am glad you are ripping on him instead of ripping on me. LOL.
 
These Muslim leaders are jerks?


j-mac

The people who made the mosque knew they were A) within their rights to do so and B) Were going to cause a stir by doing so. The went in full well knowing they were going to rile people up. And then many people fell right in step, getting all huffy and puffy over it. If you look at the big picture it's a tragic comedy the way people got taken they way they did. And I for one think they're all a bunch of dumbasses and that's it. I don't care about either side after that. Unless one side does try to infringe upon the rights of the other; that's the only real breaking point. Till that point, it's just a gaggle of retards running their mouths and doing things to get a rise out of the other.
 
Damn, it's times like this that I am glad you are ripping on him instead of ripping on me. LOL.

Seriously, I'll be the first to admit and acknowledge and apologize or own up to instances where my hypocrisy is legitimately displayed and someone can show it as such. However when people go for backassward attempts that are obviously bogus in attempts to smear me and do so in such a juvenile and amateurish way its delightfully fun to show them how pathetic their attempt was and how easy it is to poke holes in their dishonest arguments.

J-mac is sending mixed messages, saying he has no problems with legally allowing people to build...and then saying it'd be different with regards to near 9/11. I simply want to know what his actual stance is in regards to whether or not the government should be holding it up or prohibiting it.

I thank him for the post to moderate muslims and they for the most part are mirroring my sentiments towards the thing. That said I do find it ironic he's siting the words of the very people he wants essentially barred from the U.S. by making Islam Illegal.
 
member one:

Hey! Build whatever you want, Support what ever you want. I Never, NOT ONCE said that a Mosque shouldn't be built in America at all. Just not at Ground Zero. Don't you get it? If you think that for one moment that my argument is based in destroying rights, then I have a far different view than that which you subscribe to me.

where's the call for PROHIBITION?

LOL!

heck, there's not even a suggestion
 
Last edited:
Prof, you might want to catch up, you're making yourself look foolish now. Check out post #431, specifically the bolded sections. It may help you no longer look like a deer in the headlights with your idiotic reposting of the same argument that's been debunked due to your pathetic dishonesty more than 30 posts ago. You'll note the bolded section you dishonestly excluded that showed the confusion regarding his position, you'll also notice the bolded sections you dishonestly excluded from my posts specifically stating my uncertainty with it and being up front from the get go that if my understanding of his point was wrong then that was on me and pointing out my further discussion was based on IF he felt the way I suggested due to his ambiguity.

Seriously, you're making yourself look like a fool regarding this particular line of arguments. First with your dishonesty, and now with your attempts to beat a dead horse. Stop while you've already dug a hole big enough that Shaq would find himself stuck in it.
 
So all of their quotes and facts are made up. Thats your position?

No. My position is that Agent Ferris frequently distorts and misrepresents actual occurrances. And, sure enough, that's what he did in this thread. Additionally, people like you and AF look for news outlets that support your paradigms and may play fast/loose with the facts. Remember Shirley Sherrod?
 
Damn, it's times like this that I am glad you are ripping on him instead of ripping on me. LOL.
I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.
 
I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.

He gets pissed off by short-sighted fascists who want to trample on the bill of rights because of their own irrational phobias.

I have to admit, so do I.
 
No. My position is that Agent Ferris frequently distorts and misrepresents actual occurrances. And, sure enough, that's what he did in this thread. Additionally, people like you and AF look for news outlets that support your paradigms and may play fast/loose with the facts. Remember Shirley Sherrod?

So its your claim that there are no parisan newsources on your side? Please tell me you are kidding.

BTW, Shilery was fired by the Obama adminstration. You do remember they aren't republicans right?
 
I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.

It quite noticeable yes.
 
Back
Top Bottom