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Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

Catz Part Deux said:
The problem is that Sheriff Joe isn't an isolated incident. This **** has been happening for years.

The Cartels have already carried out executions in the U.S.

But, I suppose it's nice that Sheriff Joe's name value means that people are finally paying attention. After all, if it's some no-name prosecutor from Nogales, that hardly holds the same cachet.
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OK, I see hysterics and some crusade I obviously wasn't aware of is what I have walked into. Have fun with that.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
God, you all are such drama queens. The enemy of Arizona is stupidity, lack of common sense, and the inability to sit down at a table the discuss solutions with people who have different ideas until - combined - a solution is provided.

Deportations are up under Obama: Illegal immigrant deportations up under Obama | obama, illegal, data - News - The Orange County Register

There are more border agents on the ground under Obama: PolitiFact | U.S. has more border patrol agents on the border with Mexico than ever, but debate goes on

And he's trying to get more there: TriValley Central

Has he solved the problem? No. But neither has everyone's crazy favorite governor. SB1070 is nothing but a band-aid that is driving illegal AND legal immigrants out of the state (into other states) and is already starting to have negative economic impacts. The (unintended?) flipside of SB1070 :: WRAL.com Sure, illegals cost money - but what some people forgot, is that they spend money, too.

NOW - I'll let you all get back to the actual point of the thread.
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Yeah........ right.........

With Congress gridlocked on an immigration bill, the Obama administration is considering using a back door to stop deporting many illegal immigrants - what a draft government memo said could be "a non-legislative version of amnesty."

The memo, addressed to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Alejandro Mayorkas and written by four agency staffers, lists tools it says the administration has to "reduce the threat of removal" for many illegal immigrants who have run afoul of immigration authorities.

"In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, USCIS can extend benefits and/or protections to many individuals and groups by issuing new guidance and regulations, exercising discretion with regard to parole-in-place, deferred action and the issuance of Notices to Appear," the staffers wrote in the memo, which was obtained by Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican.
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Memo outlines backdoor 'amnesty' plan - Washington Times
 
Crunch said:
Yeah........ right.........



Memo outlines backdoor 'amnesty' plan - Washington Times
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Did you read a single f**king link? Or do you know how to read? They even have anti-illegal immigration whiners who will speak to the FACTS that I pointed out.

YES - Obama wants to pass a comprehensive bill that stiffens up the border AND creates a program for those here illegally to eventually convert to legal status. You can disagree with that - but I'm just absolutely freaking sick and tired of people who ignore FACTS.

The links I provided are FACTS. Deportations are up; there are more border troops on the ground, and Obama has requested more. You can disagree with his eventual ideas for immigration reform but it does NOT make the above statements untrue.

God, every attempt to come back to this God-forsaken place gets worse and worse.

So next time you type Ann Coulter is a woman, my response: yeah.... right....

Because that's probably harder to prove as fact that what I presented to you.
 
We have better assassination squads than the drug cartels do. Let prove it by sending them into Mexico. :mrgreen:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You guys realize that the cartels have been making death threats against political, military, and law enforcement leaders for decades, right? They've killed soldiers, police officers, police chiefs, judges, prosecutors and mayors.

Why the sudden concern and shock?
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The main stream media hardly reports stories like these and if they do they only get a token mention.The media generally ignores stories like these seeing how such stories show the dire need for border security.Which is something every pro-illegal in office and the media is against. The media is responsible for the public's lack of awareness of what goes on in border states and towns. That's why the sudden concern.


I do share jallman's sentiment that if it happens in Mexico who gives a rats ass, its when it happens here that it should be a big deal.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
You guys realize that the cartels have been making death threats against political, military, and law enforcement leaders for decades, right? They've killed soldiers, police officers, police chiefs, judges, prosecutors and mayors.

Why the sudden concern and shock?

KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona Drug cartels threaten Nogales Police Deptartment

La Familia cartel kills 12 federal agents in Mexico drug war attack - Times Online

Mexico prez: cartels show no 'limits or scruples'

Did you know that 25,000 people, most of them Mexicans, have already been killed in this war?

Were you just not paying attention?
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They killed the police chief of Laredo this year.
 
Erod said:
Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

Obama will probably remain completely quiet on this. Of course, the sherrif is a Republican, so who can blame him.

A huge part of this illegal immigration law in AZ is designed to stop the massive amounts of drug trafficking that is being ignored from coming across their borders.

Just another bullet in the chamber of what is going to be a helluva fight in the coming days. And as always, the liberals are on the wrong side, this time aiding and abetting the types that make threats like this.
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An unidentified man, with an unidentified wife, receives a text message from an unidentified number. This text message supposedly says that a Cartel is seeking the head of Joe Arpaio. Well, that is the first time I've ever heard of a Cartel offering money for someone's head when they could just as easily have one of their own in America do it without broad casting it to some random phone number.

Sounds like bull**** made up by Arizona supporters to me. Did they happen to find any backward C's in the text message?
 
danarhea said:
We have better assassination squads than the drug cartels do. Let prove it by sending them into Mexico. :mrgreen:
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I'm not averse to that. It's clear that the cartels are at war and will take out innocent citizens at will if it suits them. I have no problem sending troops in to work with Mexico's forces to destroy them. Better yet, we need to get people in undercover to root out the rats on the inside who are giving away the Mexican governments plans to the cartels.
 
Hatuey said:
An unidentified man, with an unidentified wife, receives a text message from an unidentified number. This text message supposedly says that a Cartel is seeking the head of Joe Arpaio. Well, that is the first time I've ever heard of a Cartel offering money for someone's head when they could just as easily have one of their own in America do it without broad casting it to some random phone number.

Sounds like bull**** made up by Arizona supporters to me. Did they happen to find any backward C's in the text message?
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Of course it is, Hatuey. Because someone just figured threatening Sheriff Joe would make Arizona look ****in AWESOME, DUDE!!! :roll:
 
jallman said:
Of course it is, Hatuey. Because someone just figured threatening Sheriff Joe would make Arizona look ****in AWESOME, DUDE!!! :roll:
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No. It would create sympathy for him and paint Mexicans as a barbaric people. Obviously you've never seen people trying to paint the other side as violent in hopes to justify an action. They can point at this message and say:

"See this is why we want them out!"
 
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Hatuey said:
No. It would create sympathy for him and paint Mexicans as a barbaric people. Obviously you've never seen people trying to paint the other side as violent in hopes to justify an action.
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The ones who are making the threats are certainly barbaric.
 
Hatuey said:
No. It would create sympathy for him and paint Mexicans as a barbaric people. Obviously you've never seen people trying to paint the other side as violent in hopes to justify an action. They can point at this message and say:

"See this is why we want them out!"
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You would have a point if the article were generally about Mexicans rather than specifically about drug cartels.
 
jallman said:
You would have a point if the article were generally about Mexicans rather than specifically about drug cartels.
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Well that is who Mexicans are associate with aren't they? They are smuggled with drugs and guns. Cut off the illegal immigrant trade, cut off the drug/weapons smuggling. As I said, the fact there is so little detail makes me think this is just made up to give some sympathy to people like Arpaio. Mexican drug cartels have more than enough power to simply have one of their members do the deed.
 
Hatuey said:
Well that is who Mexicans are associate with aren't they? They are smuggled with drugs and guns.
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I guess to a racist way of thinking, sure.

Cut off the illegal immigrant trade, cut off the drug/weapons smuggling. As I said, the fact there is so little detail makes me think this is just made up to give some sympathy to people like Arpaio. Mexican drug cartels have more than enough power to simply have one of their members do the deed.
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That doesn't preclude them making a legitimate threat and offer.
 
danarhea said:
We have better assassination squads than the drug cartels do. Let prove it by sending them into Mexico. :mrgreen:
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Most of our best assassination squads in the Americas work hand in hand with the drug cartels....
 
jallman said:
I guess to a racist way of thinking, sure.
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Mexicans take over drug trade to US / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

In the largest reorganization since the 1980s, senior US officials say, Mexican cartels have leveraged the profits from their delivery routes to wrest control from the Colombian producers. The shift is also because of the success authorities have had in cracking down on Colombia's kingpins.

As a result, Mexican drug lords are calling the shots in what the UN estimates is a $142 billion a year business in cocaine, heroin, marijuana, methamphetamine, and illicit drugs on US streets.

"Today, the Mexicans have taken over and are running the organized crime, and getting the bulk of the money," says John Walters, the White House drug czar, in a phone interview. "The Colombians have pulled back."
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Reuters AlertNet - U.S. border police train Mexicans for drug fight

NOGALES, Ariz., April 23 (Reuters) - In a warehouse in this Arizona border city, a U.S. Border Patrol trainer teaches a Mexican federal policeman to slip into a boxing stance and press a military assault rifle to his shoulder.

Taking aim at a silhouette just a few paces away, the policeman lets off a rapid burst of practice fire in an exercise designed to recreate the urban drug war raging just across the border in Mexico.

"They're getting into close-quarter combat all the time with the drug smugglers and the cartels," Border Patrol instructor Tom Pittman said during a break from training a group of nine Mexican federal agents on Friday.
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Illegal Mexicans, Drug Smuggling, Fundamental Muslims All Provide a Problem; Maybe There is a Single Solution! - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Illegal Immigration: Drugs, Gangs and Crime | John W. Pope Civitas Institute

Paramilitary groups trading fire with U.S. agents. Kidnappings and murders of U.S. citizens. Members of al-Qaida, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations infiltrating the border on a routine basis. We are not talking about Iraq – but Texas. One of the clearest indicators the United States has lost control of its southwest border is the ease with which thousands of tons of drugs and millions of illegal aliens are crossing the U.S. border on an annual basis. This open borders policy has opened the door to more than just cheap labor. The presence of millions of undocumented persons in our country has provided a perfect cover for various forms of criminal activity, ranging from drug trafficking to prostitution to identity theft.
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PolitiFact | Arizona Gov. Brewer says 'majority' of illegals are 'drug mules'

Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer created a frenzy in April 2010 when she signed a law that makes being an illegal immigrant a state crime and requires legal immigrants to carry papers that confirm their status. Then in late June, she linked illegal immigrants and drug smuggling.

The string of controversial comments began June 15, 2010, during a debate with three other candidates running for the Republican nomination for governor.

Republican candidate Matt Jette said that most people who cross illegally into Arizona are "just trying to feed their families." Brewer, according to the Arizona Republic, disputed that, saying, "They're coming here, and they're bringing drugs. And they're doing drop houses, and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families."

A few days later, on June 25, Brewer expanded upon her comments during a question-and-answer session with reporters. (A verbatim account of the exchange is available here.)

"Well, we all know that the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules," Brewer said. "They're coming across our borders in huge numbers. The drug cartels have taken control of the immigration. … So they are criminals. They're breaking the law when they are trespassing and they're criminals when they pack the marijuana and the drugs on their backs."
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Thank you. Now I know Jan Brewer is a racist.

That doesn't preclude them making a legitimate threat and offer.
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Only we don't really know who made the threat. We have something which they supposedly sent to some unknown on an untraceable text message to some anonymous person. How far would that fly in a court room? Send me your number so I can text you a text message from Al-Qaeda with a Somalian phone number.
 
Hatuey said:
Thank you. Now I know Jan Brewer is a racist.
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What Jan Brewer said does not equate to the bull**** you tried to peddle.

Only we don't really know who made the threat. We have something which they supposedly sent to some unknown on an untraceable text message to some anonymous person. How far would that fly in a court room? Send me your number so I can text you a text message from Al-Qaeda with a Somalian phone number.
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No, we do know that a text message came through calling for the head of Sheriff Joe and claiming to be a drug cartel. That's enough to take seriously.

And for you to confess that we don't know who did it, you seem pretty quick to make a judgment that it was done by people trying to create sympathy for Arizona. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Well that is who Mexicans are associate with aren't they? They are smuggled with drugs and guns. Cut off the illegal immigrant trade, cut off the drug/weapons smuggling. As I said, the fact there is so little detail makes me think this is just made up to give some sympathy to people like Arpaio. Mexican drug cartels have more than enough power to simply have one of their members do the deed.
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This is pretty much the truth. If the cartels really wanted Arpaio dead right now, he'd already be dead. They already have more than enough members in the U.S., plus local street gangs working for them, to carry it off. I don't find this particular story credible, at all, which was my main point in this thread.

However, they are already doing these sorts of things in border states, and as I posted, recently threatened an entire department in Arizona.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/drug-cartels-threaten-nogales-police-deptartment/

Let me just say, up front, that I have zero problems with Arizona's new law. There's no reason that illegal immigrants should be tolerated in the U.S. But Arpaio has zero credibility.
 
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If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

**** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.
 
jallman said:
What Jan Brewer said does not equate to the bull**** you tried to peddle.
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Obviously it would not be in the best interest of people who support Arizona's xenophobic law to have people they connect to illegal immigrants validate their concerns. Illegals immigrants and drug smugglers have never been connected by supporters of Arizona's xenophobic law. Never. Not once, oh wait....

No, we do know that a text message came through calling for the head of Sheriff Joe and claiming to be a drug cartel. That's enough to take seriously.
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Like this? Yes...

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Serious indeed...

And for you to confess that we don't know who did it, you seem pretty quick to make a judgment that it was done by people trying to create sympathy for Arizona. :shrug:
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What I have actually said:

Hatuey said:
An unidentified man, with an unidentified wife, receives a text message from an unidentified number. This text message supposedly says that a Cartel is seeking the head of Joe Arpaio. Well, that is the first time I've ever heard of a Cartel offering money for someone's head when they could just as easily have one of their own in America do it without broad casting it to some random phone number.

Sounds like bull**** made up by Arizona supporters to me. Did they happen to find any backward C's in the text message?
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Never really accused anyone of anything. Just said it sounds like bull**** to me. But tell us Jallman. Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
 
Goshin said:
If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

**** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.
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I'm basically in agreement with you, Goshin. Our forces would serve us much better out of Iraq, and on the border with Mexico. Mexico is basically being destabilized by the cartels, more than 25,000 people have been killed in the past 2 years, and the military/government leaders/police forces have come under the "silver or lead" of the cartels. It's a very dangerous situation.

I actually read recently about a group on the border that claimed to be killing cartel members with sniper rifles. Now I can't seem to find the article again.

Check this out, though: http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/12774/150/

American consular staff were assassinated in Mexico in March. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36094
 
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Goshin said:
If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

**** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.
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If I were 20 years younger I'd join you.
 
Hatuey said:
Never really accused anyone of anything. Just said it sounds like bull**** to me. But tell us Jallman. Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
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Hatuey, you can link to every sham that ever happened in history and I can link to every threat that was followed through on. Fact of the matter is, until it is discovered to be anything other that what it is, it's something to take seriously. :shrug:
 
jallman said:
Hatuey, you can link to every sham that ever happened in history and I can link to every threat that was followed through on. Fact of the matter is, until it is discovered to be anything other that what it is, it's something to take seriously. :shrug:
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Not to Hatuey....... unless it's a minority of course.
 
Hatuey said:
Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
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They already have operational networks in the U.S. of their own people. They don't need to send random text messages to random people. They pay their people well for assassinations, and they commit a lot of them.

I don't find this story credible as it was reported. It is, I'm sure, being followed up on by DEA and possibly FBI. However, it smells like a publicity stunt to me. This isn't how these guys commit assassinations.
 
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