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Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

Reading the article there's no where near enough information to make a judgment, if the man was captured while running via tackle from a police officer or a private citizen, I think any reasonable person/judge would not see any excess in that. However if the man was obviously captured, meaning there was no longer any threat of him acting violently or running, than any further injury caused to this person is grounds in my opinion for this lawsuit. Now I don't know if the injuries would be 500,000 dollars worth or whatever else, I'm just saying its grounds to look at it a little more.

Consider this: If any of us were walking down the street and observed three men beating a man on the ground, either restrained or otherwise incapable of self-defense, what would we do? Well odds are we'd do nothing as most people wouldn't, but assuming we did attempt to intervene we'd probably do so on behalf of the man on the ground. If we happened to find out the reason was because he stole a bicycle, would any of us honestly let this continue? I honestly believe that anyone watching three men beat a defenseless man for whatever reason, would have a pretty sick feeling in their stomach, because we know its wrong.

But thats just my general opinion and again no one hear knows enough details to make a truly fair opinion, there's too much speculation here as to what might have happened.
 
How can this guy even get around without being weighed down by his giant balls?
 
apdst said:
It'll be a sad day in our nation, if the judge doesn't laugh this asshole right out of the courtroom.
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If the man was brutalized, he deserves the money. If he were a republican, you would be on his side.
 
TurtleDude said:
I believe that when someone engages in a felony against others, he should be debarred from suing the victims in civil court.
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I don't. If has a grievance, he should be heard. If it's valid, he should be allowed to collect.
 
MaggieD said:
@ Orion -- Re juries? You might be interested to read this:


Re D.A.'s? You might be interested in this:


In the United States, people making citizen arrests are subject to "strict liability" -- a legal doctrine in which someone is held personally responsible for the damages caused by their actions, regardless of their intentions or personal fault. Read more: What are Citizen's Arrest Requirements? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6319479_citizen_s-arrest-requirements_.html#ixzz0vURQkUrI

Making a citizen's arrest is not for sissies.
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Ummm... I think it has alot to do with the fact that it was an hour later.....

MUCH different than what I was speaking of....
 
mike2810 said:
To me this case should be thrown out and the criminal have time added for filing such a lame case. About a year ago a friend and myself assisted a Wal-Mart employee detain a shoplifter who had left the store with the stolen items. The shoplifter was getting the best of the employee and the employee was shouting for help. The thief most likely would have gotten away if no one helped. We assisted in detaining the individual till the police arrived. IMO, it was the correct thing to do as well as it was the right thing for others to help detain the thief in the original post. For those that think on LE should get involved in detaining suspects, what happened to neighbor helping neighbor in this country?
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I responded to a 'situation' behind a bar one night. An employee and some others detained a man who they witnessed attacking his girlfriend, and he was still holding him down when I showed up. The man was released by the employee, only to resist us and get pepper sprayed.

It never even crossed my mind once to bother trying to charge the employee for detaining the guy, even though the guy had bloodied knees from falling on the pavement from the detention.
To do so is just absolutely silly.
 
apdst said:
Perhaps not, but we do have the right to beat the crap out of them before they're subdued. I think in a situation like that, "subdued", can be all about perspective.

My perspective would be that he's not subdued until I've beat him so bad that he can't get up anymore; at which point--of course--I'll stop beating the crap out of him.
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No, YOU DO NOT. You have the right to subdue them and wait for the police. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have the right to beat on ANYBODY. That is backwards republican justice.
 
lizzie said:
Frankly, some criminals must have the crap beat out of them before they are subdued. Have you ever worked the streets as a cop or paramedic? I'm guessing no.
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Groucho is a criminal defense attorney, I think he has a good knowledge that his clients are sometimes complete assholes that have to be dealt with physically.
 
Orion said:
I didn't accuse the cops of anything. I said if they are doing no wrong, they should have nothing to hide and there should be no fear of a court case. How can you not see the clear distinction between one and the other? Stop foaming at the mouth and take the time to read what people say before you go off on them.

Saying that convicts should have no right to have court cases about police brutally is equally as extreme as saying police are always abusing their authority and never doing their jobs. The rights of the individual are paramount, and if the people who arrested the guy in this case did so within the proper letter of the law then they have nothing to worry about.

Now stop having a heart attack over something I never even said, and calm the **** down please.
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LOL...... You are still blathering about police brutality.

Read slowly.

THIS... THREAD... HAS... NOTHING... TO.... DO.... WITH..... POLICE... BRUTALITY.

The police weren't the ones who captured this burglar.......

Would you mind staying on topic and not using this thread as a way to whine and cry about how you distrust the police?
 
Caine said:
Ummm... I think it has alot to do with the fact that it was an hour later.....

MUCH different than what I was speaking of....
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Vader said:
If the man was brutalized, he deserves the money. If he were a republican, you would be on his side.
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If he hadn't been burglarizing someone, he wouldn't have been brutalized.

It's a sad day in this country when a robber has more rights than law abiding citizens, protecting their property. Even sadder than that, are the people that think that's ok.
 
Vader said:
No, YOU DO NOT. You have the right to subdue them and wait for the police. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have the right to beat on ANYBODY. That is backwards republican justice.
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The **** I don't! If I have to beat the crap out of him to protect myself and to subdue him, then you're damn skippy I have the right.

How long before you're old enough to live in the real world??
 
The real world is that if you go beyond defending yourself to beating the crap out of him (assuming you can) then he has the right of redress. You can choose to pretend you are civilised, or pay a penalty for not doing so.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The real world is that if you go beyond defending yourself to beating the crap out of him (assuming you can) then he has the right of redress. You can choose to pretend you are civilised, or pay a penalty for not doing so.
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That attitude will only lead to people taking said burgler and dumping his body in the woods, for fear of a law suit, or some Libbo do gooder over-enforcing the law.

It's that weak way of thinking that only encourages criminals to victimize citizens, because they know from the git-go that they have the law on their side. Laws are only for law abiding folks.
 
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apdst said:
The **** I don't! If I have to beat the crap out of him to protect myself and to subdue him, then you're damn skippy I have the right.

How long before you're old enough to live in the real world??
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If he is running away when you attack him, YOU will be held accountable. The same applies to shooting him. If he is going to flee, you CANNOT assault him. He will rape you in civil court.
 
apdst said:
That attitude will only lead to people taking said burgler and dumping his body in the woods, for fear of a law suit, or some Libbo do gooder over-enforcing the law.

It's that weak way of thinking that only encourages criminals to victimize citizens, because they know from the git-go that they have the law on their side. Laws are only for law abiding folks.
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That attitude tells me you are no stranger to violence and covering up criminal activity.
 
apdst said:
If he hadn't been burglarizing someone, he wouldn't have been brutalized.

It's a sad day in this country when a robber has more rights than law abiding citizens, protecting their property. Even sadder than that, are the people that think that's ok.
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It's a sadder day when a radical few think they have the right to physically brutallize a fleeing theif.
 
Vader said:
That attitude tells me you are no stranger to violence and covering up criminal activity.
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I'm no stranger to some son-of-a-bitch trying to take my **** that I worked very hard to acquire. He didn't pull it off, either. I'm not weak, like some folks I could mention. Those kind of people are the reasons that criminals are allowed to thrive in our society.
 
Vader said:
It's a sadder day when a radical few think they have the right to physically brutallize a fleeing theif.
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What's really sad, is when a fellow citizen has more regard for the criminal than the person the criminal just victimized.

I reckon victims only count when their vote is at stake.
 
apdst said:
What's really sad, is when a fellow citizen has more regard for the criminal than the person the criminal just victimized.

I reckon victims only count when their vote is at stake.
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I am so glad the law doesn't agree with you.

If someone steals an apple, you don't have the right to beat him into submission needing an ambulance, especially if he has no weapon and is not fighting back.

Why this is a hard concept to understand is beyond me.
 
apdst said:
What's really sad, is when a fellow citizen has more regard for the criminal than the person the criminal just victimized.

I reckon victims only count when their vote is at stake.
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I follow the law... not the behavior of some movie cowboy.
 
Groucho said:
I am so glad the law doesn't agree with you.

If someone steals an apple, you don't have the right to beat him into submission needing an ambulance, especially if he has no weapon and is not fighting back.

Why this is a hard concept to understand is beyond me.
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You're probably one of those people that have been victimized your whole life, because you didn't have the nerve to do anything about it. It's people like you that do more to encourage criminals than to discourage them.

Why the concept of protecting your property and your family, no matter what, is so hard to understand is beyond me.
 
Vader said:
I follow the law... not the behavior of some movie cowboy.
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I follow the law too. The law states that if some asshole crosses my threshold, with the intent to steal my property, or harm my family, I'm well within my rights to kill that ********er.

You keep following the law, my friend, because that's exactly what the criminal scumbags want you to do.
 
apdst said:
You're probably one of those people that have been victimized your whole life, because you didn't have the nerve to do anything about it. It's people like you that do more to encourage criminals than to discourage them.

Why the concept of protecting your property and your family, no matter what, is so hard to understand is beyond me.
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I'm someone who believes in the concept of law and society and do not believe that power is in and of itself justification for violence. Maybe you should try a less civilized country. Or century.
 
Groucho said:
I'm someone who believes in the concept of law and society and do not believe that power is in and of itself justification for violence. Maybe you should try a less civilized country. Or century.
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Don't come crying to me when some thug mother****er ties you up and forces you to watch him rape your wife, or your daughter. You were just following the law, right?
 
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