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Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

I fully understand this emotionally charged issue, and WHY it is so emotionally charged. I lived in Arizona for several years. I saw the issues..Hell, I live in Pennsylvania, and I see illegals working here as well. I will say, however, not a single one of them is working a job that anyone but my 15 year old son would consider doing.

This lame argument again?

When every summer we hear reports about how the nation's youth can't find jobs? You think maybe there might be a connection between illegal invaders holding down work 15 year olds might want and the inability of 15 year old Americans to find suitable work?

Then, of course, there's always the point that it's wrong to say there's jobs Americans won't do.

Raise the wages offered, and eventually some American will do the job.

Also, if there's a demand for unskilled labor, that means there's jobs out there waiting for someone to leave the welfare rolls to go do it. So, REAL reform would connect employers with the welfare agencies, and whenever a welfare recipient is reported to have refused offered work, he's taken off the dole. That'll give lots of Americans real incentive to work.

But, whatever, it's flat wrong to say there's jobs "Americans" won't do.

Just watch Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs" show sometime, okay?

Now...Say this friend of mine is walking down the street, and is asked to show his documentaion?

SB1070 has been on-line for months now. Are we still required to treat as serious arguments as factually vacant as what you're insisting on preseting?

No, we're not.

If your buddy hasn't broken any laws that lead the police to question him on other matters, he won't be asked to present ID, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN ARIZONA.

Read the damn bill unless you like looking ignorant when you post on a thread discssing it.

How about, instead of knee jerk legislation, we sit down and do something that will actually work,

From the number of Invaders fleeing Arizona before the law had even taken effect, I'm forced to say that Arizona's law actually worked quite well.

and not put undue burden on our police,

Enforcing the law isn't an undue burden on the police.

It's their job.

undue burden on the many legal hispanics in this country,

No burden on them. If they don't break the law, they don't run afoul of the police.

That's not hard to figure out.

and even more undue burden on our taxpayers?

Oh, getting the Invaders to go home is the kind of negative burden real taxpayers like. It's like the burden of "carrying" a helium balloon. The more you carry, the better your feet feel.

Because deny it as many try to, this IS a kneejerk piece of legislation. Its a "we're not gonna take it anymore" type of law,

Explain why Arizona should lay back and enjoy being raped.

Explain why American citizens living along the Mexican border should be expected by people like you to live in their own homes in fear, and why Arizona shouldn't react when the Invaders have made Arizona's largest city the kidnapping capital of the world, and when Arizonians are being murdered in their homes by these Invaders.
 
That's weird.

My wife is not a US citizen. She's French. If she went through Arizona, she'd affected by this law to.

What kind of racist is it that says only hispanics will be affected?

The only way your wife would be affected is if she has brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair.
 
An issue that nobody seems to be talking about is citizens being put out because of this law. Not immigrants..legal or otherwise, but regular old citizens. Citizens are not required to carry identification of any kind on them. There is no law saying you must have an id card, a license or anything of that nature on your person. So CITIZENS of this country can be harassed because of this law. Personally, I think tis awful that ANYONE can be harassed because of this, but those of you who do not, how do YOU feel about your own citizens being stopped and told to show papers they have no legal obligation to even HAVE let alone carry. So forget about the immigrants..the invaders as they have been so nicely put, and think about that.

Not to mention just plain old ordinary tourists. It may surprise some of you to know that there are mexicans who like to vacation in the states. Just come up to do some shopping, take in the sites etc. From what I understand, its a fairly hefty trade for border towns. So..who is going to come visit, if they know they are in constant danger of being stopped and asked to show their papers? It is more than just illegals and even legals involved here. Again..KNEE JERK legislation.
 
If I am a bigot because I want to enforce the laws of the United States of America, then I gladly claim the title. This law has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with law enforcement.
I wouldn't call you a bigot simply because you are for the Arizona law - misguided maybe, but bigot doesn't fit.

Earlier today I was listening to a best of, of the Alan Colmes radio program and he had Judge Andrew Napolitano on his program. His position was that this law has several Constitutional problems and in his opinion the law will never see the light of day. He said the founding fathers would be rolling in their grave with this law. I have no legal training, but I totally agree with him.
 
What if I hand the officer an out of state drivers liscence? It is more complicated than that. The only people who are trained and have the proper tools and databases are federal immigration officers. I think the democrates should use the same tactics as the republicans did during the bush administration, but some democratic congresspeople are wussies. Its clear that both sides of this issue want something done AND NOW.

Wow.

The old out-of-state license gag.

Too bad not every state has their licenses computerized and accessible by every law enforcement agency in the country.

Oh.

Wait.

Every state does have it's license data-base on line.

The cop in Syracuse didn't have a problem with my California license. Not at all.

Amazing thing, these computers.

And if a state doesn't require proof-of-citizenship prior to issuing a license, well, that would be known to Arizona, and I'm sure some process has been worked out for people from those foolish states.
 
An issue that nobody seems to be talking about is citizens being put out because of this law.

And EVERY citizen who's done something that gets the police to ask them for their ID has discovered that it's a real hassle not having that ID when they're caught committing whatever crime it is that got the cop's attention.

And people who don't break the law don't have to worry about that, and since SB 1070 restricts the police to lawful interactions with suspects, law abiding Americans don't have anything to worry about.

However, if they are paranoid, it's not hard carrying that license with them. I can only think of one or two activities where I wouldn't be wearing pockets. And I figure if the cop is asking me for my ID in the shower, something else is already seriously amiss.
 
Breaking a law is as simple as going a few miles over the speed limit, or spitting on the sidewalk, my friend. Dont act as thought someone has to be caught trying to knife someone or robbing a bank.

The job is NOT the job of local law enforcement. They are NOT immigration, and it is not their job.

As for the jobs. You really think its a major issue if our 15 year olds cant find jobs? and for the record they can ALWAYS find work. Any teenager can find a job. There are always minimum wage jobs out there.
Minimimum wage jobs are NOT in short supply. If you have a teenager who cant find a job, its because they simply dont want to work a menial minimum wage job, or you live so far out in the country there is simply nothing around.

Arizona should not sit back and be "raped" . However, this particular piece of legislation is absolutely a bad idea. It is opening up the door to abuse in an enormous way, and if you cannot see that, then you are way too close to the idea, and should maybe step back a bit from it.
 
The only way your wife would be affected is if she has brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair.

You mean like if her father was born in Manchuria in 1934?

So, maybe the claim that SB1070 would "target" only hispanics is false, and merely a reflection of the emptiness of the arguments against it?
 
And EVERY citizen who's done something that gets the police to ask them for their ID has discovered that it's a real hassle not having that ID when they're caught committing whatever crime it is that got the cop's attention.

And people who don't break the law don't have to worry about that, and since SB 1070 restricts the police to lawful interactions with suspects, law abiding Americans don't have anything to worry about.

However, if they are paranoid, it's not hard carrying that license with them. I can only think of one or two activities where I wouldn't be wearing pockets. And I figure if the cop is asking me for my ID in the shower, something else is already seriously amiss.



It is amazing how many people still have that "innocent people never have anything to worry about" mentality.

If you dont want to take a polygraph test you must have something to hide.
If you dont have anything to hide, then there is no reason not to waive your right to be silent. '
If it's really a bum rap then you don't need a lawyer.

Do you people ever pay any attention to what is going on around you? You do not see the injustices that can and do occur? America is a paradise where the innocent are never harassed, and the guilty are always punished. Lord, and I have been accused of being too pie in the sky. I KNOW how people are. I know how the system can sometimes seriously hurt the innocent, and I see no reason to allow a law to pass that is wide open to abuse.
 
Wow.

The old out-of-state license gag.

Too bad not every state has their licenses computerized and accessible by every law enforcement agency in the country.

Oh.

Wait.

Every state does have it's license data-base on line.

The cop in Syracuse didn't have a problem with my California license. Not at all.

Amazing thing, these computers.

And if a state doesn't require proof-of-citizenship prior to issuing a license, well, that would be known to Arizona, and I'm sure some process has been worked out for people from those foolish states.
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What process? Can you be more specific about this "process"? I am pretty sure you cant because there isnt one. The only way to know is to check with the dept of homland security. Are the Arizona police equiped to do this? What is a computer?
 
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Breaking a law is as simple as going a few miles over the speed limit, or spitting on the sidewalk, my friend.

Yeah, life is a bitch, ain't it?

So, if someone is a real citizen, they should obey the law.

By LAW, all persons operating a motor vehicle are REQUIRED to have their operator's license with them.

The job is NOT the job of local law enforcement.

It is in Arizona.

They are NOT immigration, and it is not their job.

It is in Arizona. Try reading the Constitution some time. The Constitution does not define what the job of the local yokels are, that's a matter for each state to decide.

As for the jobs. You really think its a major issue if our 15 year olds cant find jobs?

Ummm.....


.....YES.

Duh.

The 15 year old certainly thinks so. So does their parent, who might be needing something to teach the kid some responsiblity or some means of keeping him out of a gang. Oh, hell, just getting him something to do. If the Invaders are taking jobs from American youth, they're still here ILLEGALLY.

So, it's a big issue.

and for the record they can ALWAYS find work. Any teenager can find a job.

Really?

So you're saying that my claim of teen-age unemployment is false?

There are always minimum wage jobs out there.

Really?

Left-wing Time Magazinedisagrees:
The job market is tough for everyone. But this recession has become a jobs disaster for 16-to-19-year-olds. "The numbers are incredible," says Andrew Sum, head of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University and a nationally recognized expert on teen employment. "Proportionally, more kids have lost jobs in the past few years than the entire country lost in the Great Depression."

Arizona should not sit back and be "raped".

Oh, so you agree that Arizona should fight back against the hordes of criminal invaders, and that, since SB1070 is both Constitutional and unbiased, that it's the correct thing for all states to do.

Good for you.
 
It is amazing how many people still have that "innocent people never have anything to worry about" mentality.

What's more amazing is the assumption by many that the criminal should be ignored.

Do you people ever pay any attention to what is going on around you?

Yes.

That's why the sane people support Arizona's efforts to protect it's citizens.

Naturally, the most common target of the criminal invaders of Arizona are the Americans of hispanic descent who live in the hispanic neighborhoods the criminal invaders are infesting.

Clearly, according to you, those people aren't important and shouldn't be protected by Arizona.

Only a fool says that any given law won't cause some harm to the innocent.

Then again, maybe I'm aware of the purpose of juries? I might be, you never can tell.


You do not see the injustices that can and do occur?

I certainly do.

Arizona Rancher Murdered by Invaders

That's an injustice that needs redress.

That's an injustice that can't be ignored.

Your friends are murdering Americans.
 
Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
 
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Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.

How is Arizona checking to see if you are here legally and have any warrants out for your arrest after you have been pulled over for some traffic offense a violation of your rights?
 
Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just can’t ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We won’t let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
Hey, Vic.

Could you point out the segment in this law (sb1070) that proves your claim?

Your claim that the AZ law targets Hispanics specifically?

And, now, your claim that this AZ law will treat you and your kid(s) as “second class citizens”.

I do not recall (as of last time I read the thing) any such indications, but perhaps I missed something.
 
What if I hand the officer an out of state drivers liscence? It is more complicated than that. The only people who are trained and have the proper tools and databases are federal immigration officers. I think the democrates should use the same tactics as the republicans did during the bush administration, but some democratic congresspeople are wussies. Its clear that both sides of this issue want something done AND NOW.

Wrong. did you know ICE has a training program for local LE? Evidently not. did you know ICE wants information on anyone arrested to see if they are illegal. This based on a federal law passed a couple years ago. Problem is many cities like SF, won't comply.
You proved my point if Congress won't act. States will.
 
This lame argument again?

When every summer we hear reports about how the nation's youth can't find jobs? You think maybe there might be a connection between illegal invaders holding down work 15 year olds might want and the inability of 15 year old Americans to find suitable work?

Then, of course, there's always the point that it's wrong to say there's jobs Americans won't do.

Raise the wages offered, and eventually some American will do the job.

Also, if there's a demand for unskilled labor, that means there's jobs out there waiting for someone to leave the welfare rolls to go do it. So, REAL reform would connect employers with the welfare agencies, and whenever a welfare recipient is reported to have refused offered work, he's taken off the dole. That'll give lots of Americans real incentive to work.

But, whatever, it's flat wrong to say there's jobs "Americans" won't do.

Just watch Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs" show sometime, okay?



SB1070 has been on-line for months now. Are we still required to treat as serious arguments as factually vacant as what you're insisting on preseting?

No, we're not.

If your buddy hasn't broken any laws that lead the police to question him on other matters, he won't be asked to present ID, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN ARIZONA.

Read the damn bill unless you like looking ignorant when you post on a thread discssing it.



From the number of Invaders fleeing Arizona before the law had even taken effect, I'm forced to say that Arizona's law actually worked quite well.



Enforcing the law isn't an undue burden on the police.

It's their job.



No burden on them. If they don't break the law, they don't run afoul of the police.

That's not hard to figure out.



Oh, getting the Invaders to go home is the kind of negative burden real taxpayers like. It's like the burden of "carrying" a helium balloon. The more you carry, the better your feet feel.



Explain why Arizona should lay back and enjoy being raped.

Explain why American citizens living along the Mexican border should be expected by people like you to live in their own homes in fear, and why Arizona shouldn't react when the Invaders have made Arizona's largest city the kidnapping capital of the world, and when Arizonians are being murdered in their homes by these Invaders.

You know, you're is the FIRST rational, well articulated argument as to:

- why Unemployment should be tied to "those jobs" Mexicans will do but most American's won't.

- why youth summer jobs programs may now be ineffective and unavailable.

- why documented resident aliens won't be problematic and wrongfully suspected of being here illegally and how law enforcement can more readily identify those who perhaps would.

and

- how America needs to better patrol or rather seal our southern boarder to prevent unlawful entry.

I'm very much in agreement with all of the above. I'd also add the importance for the U.S. to review the affectiveness of NAFTA with Mexico. You see, one of the biggest problems associated with illegal immigrantion from Mexico is the country's poor economy, unfair pay wages and their labor laws. While I realize there's nothing this country can do to improve their wages or labor conditions in this country, I do belief that if Mexico could inprove their economy we'd see fewer illegals crossing our sourthern boarder. NAFTA was suppose to help in that regard. What happened?

The main reason they come here is MONEY! They want to make a better way to support themselves. Now, their may still suffer from not only those things I mentioned above but also the lack of proper medical care, drug trafficing and corruption, but those, too, are internal problem the Mexican government would have to deal with single-handedly. But this nation could help boost Mexico's economy if we could somehow improve trade between each nation. In order to do that, however, we'd first have to determine if NAFTA has even worked w/Mexico. If not, why?
 
Actually only 2 of the 3 employment provisions were blocked, not the whole bill.These provisions were-

# Prohibit firing of workers legally in the country while retaining workers illegally in the country.


# Require businesses that contract with individual private contractors to obtain documentation that the individuals are authorized to work or, without documentation, withhold taxes at the top rate.



These provisions are still being enforced
HB 1804 Summary


Section 3 replicates the federal provision that makes it a felony punishable by imprisonment for not less than 1 year or a fine of $1000.00, for any person to transport, harbor, or shelter an alien in reckless disregard for their illegal immigration status. State and local prosecutors now have the tools to stop illegal aliens from "residing" in Oklahoma, or traveling instate in search of unlawful employment.

Section 4 restricts issuance of most official identification documents to U.S. citizens, legal permanent resident aliens or holders of valid unexpired visas. Illegal aliens cannot operate in-state if they lack official documentation. Use of foreign consular cards issued to illegal aliens has been prohibited.

Section 5 requires police to verify the immigration status of persons who have been arrested and detained at a local jail for felony crimes, and report all illegal aliens to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Section 7 requires all public employers to use the Basic Pilot electronic work authorization verification program. State and local public contractors are prohibited from commencing work on a taxpayer-funded contract before they register with the Basic Pilot Program.

Section 8 requires every public agency to verify the lawful presence of aliens aged 14 years or older who applies for state or local public benefits, using the online SAVE system, as authorized by the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. Standard federal exceptions for emergency health care treatment or other public health services apply. This measure builds on similar provisions developed by IRLI that have been successfully adopted by Virginia, Colorado, and Georgia.

snip...

Section 10 directs the Oklahoma Attorney General to negotiate a "287(g)" cooperative agreement between the State of Oklahoma and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to increase state and local police joint enforcement of federal immigration law with DHS. 287(g) agreements help insure that illegal aliens discovered by Oklahoma police officers are quickly and safely transferred into federal custody. Helps fight "catch and release" abuses that allow criminal aliens back into the neighborhoods where they were arrested.

James, great work posting this. VERY enlightening. Folks, this is Oklahoma's law. Part of it was 'put on hold,' but if James is correct with this post, the above provisions are enforced and have been ruled enforceable. These powers seems pretty broad. It makes me wonder why they didn't just model their law after this one. I wonder what was wrong with it that it wasn't used as a model.
 
James, great work posting this. VERY enlightening. Folks, this is Oklahoma's law. Part of it was 'put on hold,' but if James is correct with this post, the above provisions are enforced and have been ruled enforceable. These powers seems pretty broad. It makes me wonder why they didn't just model their law after this one. I wonder what was wrong with it that it wasn't used as a model.
Do you honestly think HB1804 would survive on that side of the country especially when it hit the left circuit court of appeals? Most of hb1804 would be in legal limbo until it hit the supreme court.



The pro-illegals pulled the same crap before and after Oklahoma passed HB1804. They screamed racist, xenophobe,racial profiling, and anti-immigrant like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. They tried to hint that if you were against illegal immigration then you are a racist by doing stories on the KKK who are sick of illegal immigration. They filed lawsuit after lawsuit. They had protests falsely accusing the opposition of being racist,xenophobic,bigoted and anti-immigrant. The feds tried to get involved to try to undermine the law. They did stories on school districts not getting as much money because illegals leaving the state were taking their children and anchor babies with them. They did boo hoo these poor businesses are suffering because hb 1804 chased away illegals or how some companies are struggling to find labor. The only difference between Arizona and Oklahoma is that judges on this side of the country are not as liberal.




http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/oklahomas-fight-to-protec.html
 
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Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.

Since the law specifically prohibits "racial profiling", the rights of the lawful hispanic Americans are perfectly safe.

Here's an idea....

....have every lawful hispanic American do their duty, just like everyone else, and report as many illegal aliens to the cops as they can, and when the invaders start clearing out of town, things will be better, for them and everyone who has a right to be here.

You should be getting pissed at the invaders, not at the people trying to defend the nation.
 
Americans.

Being murdered.

By Invaders.

That's why this is an emergency.

Any judge faced with this argument would go, "Oh, really? So what have you been doing about this "emergency" for the last few decades? Why did you only just now pass this law? Yeah, sorry, your inability to do your job is not an argument for rushing me when I go to do mine. See your lazy ass in a few months, next case."
 
Hell, I live hundreds of miles from the border and can see that it's an emergency.

The nation unemployment rate has soared to an official number of >9% under the Messiah. In many areas the number is twice that.

Shipping the Invaders back to their proper side of the border would alleviate much of this misery.

Um, yeah, except that the "invaders" are being paid peanuts compared to what an American citizen would be getting paid under Federal law, and the businesses who hire the "invaders" do so because it helps their bottom line.

Besides, how many American citizens do you think would rush to fill in these migrant labor jobs for minimum wage?
 
You see, one of the biggest problems associated with illegal immigrantion from Mexico is the country's poor economy, unfair pay wages and their labor laws. While I realize there's nothing this country can do to improve their wages or labor conditions in this country, I do belief that if Mexico could inprove their economy we'd see fewer illegals crossing our sourthern boarder.

I realize that under the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, the United States is permitted to fortify the southern border with Mexico as it sees fit without being required to gather the consent of any other nation. As a sovereign nation, the United States of course already had this freedom, but Mexico specifically agreed to that provision of the treaty. Thus, the United States can, and should, use wide-area dispersal from aircraft to place anti-personnel landmines along the southern border to deter invasion from the hostile nation state to the south.

There's nothing the United States is required to do to help Mexico improve it's economy.

The government of the United States is obligated, morally and legally, to defend the people of the United States and the nations borders.

That's the first priority of the United States government.

Hmm...that's the only priority of the United States government.

Rescuing Mexico or mexicans does not seem to be in the Constitution at all.

Protecting Americans.

That's the ticket.

NAFTA was suppose to help in that regard. What happened?

NAFTA was supposed to violate the US border to advance truly ridiculous notions of globalism and other such kumbaya nonsense.

The main reason they come here is MONEY! They want to make a better way to support themselves.

Tough noogies.

That's why thugs rob liquor stores.

Now, their may still suffer from not only those things I mentioned above but also the lack of proper medical care, drug trafficing and corruption, but those, too, are internal problem the Mexican government would have to deal with single-handedly. But this nation could help boost Mexico's economy if we could somehow improve trade between each nation. In order to do that, however, we'd first have to determine if NAFTA has even worked w/Mexico. If not, why?

I've no desire to "help" Mexico.

If Mexico doesn't have anything to sell I want to buy, they can starve.

So long as they starve at home.

Their problem is their corrupt government.

Their answer to their problem is to run away and corrupt my government.

They can go to hell.
 
Um, yeah, except that the "invaders" are being paid peanuts compared to what an American citizen would be getting paid under Federal law, and the businesses who hire the "invaders" do so because it helps their bottom line.

Besides, how many American citizens do you think would rush to fill in these migrant labor jobs for minimum wage?

They're still invaders, and people who support the invasion are supporting their exploitation by criminal elements in this country, they're supporting the corruption of the American political process as left-wing politicians pander to these invaders and take money from the criminal employers, and they're contributing to the job loss of millions of Americans.

But they feel really really good about themselve because they just know that their feelings are the only guide anyone should have to their actions. Logic, reason, and loyalty to the nation of their birth, and thereby their fellow citizens, doesn't mean **** to them. So long as they feel good it's okay.
 
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