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Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

jamesrage said:
So in other words you have nothing but conspiracy theories about what the cops might do. You do not have any actual proof or evidence of racial discrimination, racial profiling or racism in the bill. What do you think would happen if Obama had the AG sue over racial profiling in the bill? The courts would laugh their ass off at them even the left circuit court of appeals would have to admit that there is no racial profiling or discrimination in the bill and that it doesn't even allow for those things. Thats why Obama is having the AG sue over supremacy clause because they know that any claims of racism and racial profiling in the bill are complete bull ****.
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Seriously, have you ever heard of the phrase "driving while black?" Apparently not. Any dumbass can read the bill and know it doesn't specifically call for racial profiling. It takes a little intelligence to realize it will lead to it.
 
Vic Mango said:
Of course not, because its not happening to you. There are all kinds of legal stops. Technically I could get pulled over for going 4 miles over the speed limit. The white guy will get a ticket, I will get a ticket AND have to have my immigration status verified.
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OMG... you mean, you'll have to show some ID? Holy ****! The horror of it all. How WILL you ever survive such difficulty?
 
pbrauer said:
Are you avoiding answering my specific question or not understanding what I am asking? I'll grant you the fact that its federal law that immigrants carry proof, so what? Do you fail at logic? How does a American citizen (say of Mexican descent) prove they are citizens?
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The same way I do. With a social security card and a valid driver's license.
 
pbrauer said:
Seriously, have you ever heard of the phrase "driving while black?" Apparently not. .
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So you are claiming that cops are inherently racist, especially Arizonan cops without any evidence to back that claim up? Of course I am sure you will find a bad apple or two and try to use him to peg all police as being racist.


Any dumbass can read the bill and know it doesn't specifically call for racial profiling. It takes a little intelligence to realize it will lead to it
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So you are accusing your fellow pro-illegals of either lying or being dumb asses ?
 
Erod said:
The same way I do. With a social security card and a valid driver's license.
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So, according to you everyone is required to carry their social security card on their person and must have a drivers license?

jamesrage said:
So you are claiming that cops are inherently racist, especially Arizonan cops without any evidence to back that claim up? Of course I am sure you will find a bad apple or two and try to use him to peg all police as being racist.
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I didn't say that, it's your invention that I said it. The police are human just like everyone else.
 
jamesrage said:
So you are accusing your fellow pro-illegals of either lying or being dumb asses ?
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Another one of your inventions, I'm not pro-illegal, however I am very much an American and support the Constitution. You might lookup the Fourth Amemdment if you get chance.:roll:
 
pbrauer said:
So, according to you everyone is required to carry their social security card on their person and must have a drivers license?
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If you're going to get caught commit a crime. Umm... yeah.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Members should refrain from hurling insults and labeling others. Those who support SB1070 are not automatically "bigots" or "racists." Those who oppose it are not automatically "pro Illegal aliens."

In addition, for those who are interested in some facts e.g., the demographics of the undocumented alien population within the U.S., the following are some useful links:

Demographics of Unauthorized Immigrants (U.S. Department of Homeland Security)

U.S. Law (Cornell University Law School)

U.S. Foreign-Born Population Data (U.S. Census Bureau)

U.S. Population data (U.S. Census Bureau)
 
pbrauer said:
So, according to you everyone is required to carry their social security card on their person and must have a drivers license?
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If you are driving you should at least have you driver's license.

I didn't say that, it's your invention that I said it. The police are human just like everyone else.
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Then why bring up "driving while black" if you are not accusing police of being racist?
 
pbrauer said:
Another one of your inventions, I'm not pro-illegal,
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Then what is your stand on illegal immigration and laws that crack down on illegal immigration? You continue to spew lies against SB1070 so that is one indication you are a pro-illegal. What do you call illegals? Is it "undocumented aliens", "undocumented immigrants","undocumented Americans","migrant workers","immigrants" or "day laborers?"? Or do you actually use the correct term which is illegals or illegal aliens when describing illegals?

You might lookup the Fourth Amemdment if you get chance.:roll:
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Again it does not violate the constitution for the police to check your legal status, to see if you have any warrants, vehicle registration or driver's license when they pull you over for some traffic offense.
 
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ludahai said:
I am white and in a very small minority in this country, and an even smaller minority in that I am a citizen. As a citizen here, I am not required to have my ID card one me (though before my citizenship status was confirmed, I was required to). I have never had a problem with that here, however, though people are often surprised when I tell them I an a citizen of this country...

What is wrong with immigrants who are legal resident aliens being required to retain their papers? Nothing at all. It is already the law in the U.S. and most other countries around the world.
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Well the times I have been stopped? The first question is always can I see your I.D. I guess it is only an issues if you are not a legal citizen and that is the way itshould be. Everybody should have ID on em. Not just for legal matters but for safety issues.
 
Kali said:
Well the times I have been stopped? The first question is always can I see your I.D. I guess it is only an issues if you are not a legal citizen and that is the way itshould be. Everybody should have ID on em. Not just for legal matters but for safety issues.
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If you are driving a car, of course you must have your driver's license with you. I don't know the numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority (or at least a large plurality) of law enforcement officer - citizen contacts are in that context.
 
I don't think the main thing is the 4th amendment or anything like that, like some people think. To me, the main thing the court will have to answer is if states can enforce federal admin. law. States can obviously enforce criminal law, like smuggling illegals, but can they enforce fed. civil law? That is the important distinction.

Having said that, most of what is in the Arizona law is very obviously constitutional. It will be interesting to see what the court says about a few of its provisions though.
 
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drz-400 said:
I don't think the main thing is the 4th amendment or anything like that, like some people think. To me, the main thing the court will have to answer is if states can enforce federal admin. law. States can obviously enforce criminal law, like smuggling illegals, but can they enforce fed. civil law? That is the important distinction.

Having said that, most of what is in the Arizona law is very obviously constitutional. It will be interesting to see what the court says about a few of its provisions though.
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After looking more into it, there is already a federal law that allows states to cooperate with ICE to enforce illegal immigration. So, the small section about verifying immigration status given proboble cause being constitutional or not is pretty useless.
 
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