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North Korea vows nuclear response to U.S.-Seoul drills

deltabtry said:
I was just being obnoxious, sarcastic so to speak, although later I posted that I wouldn't have any problem with China putting a leash on NK, but I am just one working stiff with just one vote.
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seriously doubt china would ever put a leash on NK....i believe they like it when the NK regime starts howling at the moon, as it forces us to keep out attention split between the koreas and taiwan.
 
randel said:
seriously doubt china would ever put a leash on NK....i believe they like it when the NK regime starts howling at the moon, as it forces us to keep out attention split between the koreas and taiwan.
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Good point but remember China likes the sweet taste of Capitalism.
 
kaya'08 said:
How about we realize embargo's are not working and just aid South Korea in war?
China won't be happy but who cares?
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CHina is NEVER happy. As such, they can go pogo through a minefield.
 
deltabtry said:
Good point but remember China likes the sweet taste of Capitalism.
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to the point that the majority of their citizens don't start getting crazy ideas of wanting to be able to pick and choose their own leaders, like most capitalistic societies...perish the thought!!
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I, for one, am terrified. Really.

There is hope, however!

All we'd have to do to get the North Koreans to lay down their arms is offer to feed them. :lol:
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We've already given billions of dollars to North Korea over the years. So far its gone toward feeding their ever expanding army...
 
Well, I was actually kinda kidding. The PROK propaganda machine would pretty much eliminate any chance that they'd eat anything we offered them.

Also, foreign aid to North Korea is going to go wherever the government wants it to go.

All I'm saying is that we don't have a whole lot to fear from North Korea, aside from their ability and willingness to fight a war of attrition. That's the only card in their deck.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Well, I was actually kinda kidding. The PROK propaganda machine would pretty much eliminate any chance that they'd eat anything we offered them.

Also, foreign aid to North Korea is going to go wherever the government wants it to go.

All I'm saying is that we don't have a whole lot to fear from North Korea, aside from their ability and willingness to fight a war of attrition. That's the only card in their deck.
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I agree. To use a Mao term, North Korea is a paper tiger. They are at war with South Korea. Not sure why the U.S. needs to interfere in their Civil War.
 
digsbe said:
I think if North Korea is threatening nuclear attacks we should do a preemptive strike against them. I believe a nation with such an abhorrent and irrational leader will use a nuke anyway somewhere down the road. I don't think we should act gung ho and instigate a nuclear conflict, but I do think we should strategically find a way to disable their nukes and overthrow the North Korean communist regime.
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First, the North Korean government isn't "crazy".

Second, the DPRK is not run by a "communist regime".
 
ludahai said:
That is what it appears like in the English-language press. It is a different matter entirely in the Chinese-language "media".
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What is it like? I don't like Beijing either, but I highly doubt that even they would waste one drop of Chines blood to prop up Kim Jong Il if it meant losing more important partners
 
I seriously hope we have some super secret way of taking this guy out of power. The last thing we need is WWIII. He is the most insane of World leaders, and it's just sad the way North Koreans have to live under him (especially since most of them probably tower over him).

Also... does anyone here actually take Kim Jong seriously?
 
Frozengale said:
I seriously hope we have some super secret way of taking this guy out of power. The last thing we need is WWIII. He is the most insane of World leaders, and it's just sad the way North Koreans have to live under him (especially since most of them probably tower over him).

Also... does anyone here actually take Kim Jong seriously?
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People often use the term WWIII so brazenly. World wars need a world wide scope with world powers. Niether Iran, nor North Korea can cause a "world war".

The fact is, for those playing the regime change card, the North Korean leadership would be almost impossible to take down. You start killing them off and you may get even more hardline and erratic leaders in their place.

And on top of that, North Korea can't do anything without the blessing of it's most important ally, China. Who certainly isn't going to go to war with North Korea against their biggest economic partner, America. Fact is China needs you, without you it would not be where it is today. So for now at least it'll keep pyongyang on a leash, everything said by North Korea and Chinese support of North Korea is nothing more then political grandstanding.
 
Jetboogieman said:
People often use the term WWIII so brazenly. World wars need a world wide scope with world powers. Niether Iran, nor North Korea can cause a "world war".

The fact is, for those playing the regime change card, the North Korean leadership would be almost impossible to take down. You start killing them off and you may get even more hardline and erratic leaders in their place.

And on top of that, North Korea can't do anything without the blessing of it's most important ally, China. Who certainly isn't going to go to war with North Korea against their biggest economic partner, America. Fact is China needs you, without you it would not be where it is today. So for now at least it'll keep pyongyang on a leash, everything said by North Korea and Chinese support of North Korea is nothing more then political grandstanding.
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Using a Nuclear strike against another nation may be just enough to make it a world wide issue. After all North Korea isn't to friendly with many people. If they suddenly fire a nuke at one nation wouldn't that put many nations on edge. Hopefully China will be able to keep them in check.
 
Jetboogieman said:
People often use the term WWIII so brazenly. World wars need a world wide scope with world powers. Niether Iran, nor North Korea can cause a "world war".

The fact is, for those playing the regime change card, the North Korean leadership would be almost impossible to take down. You start killing them off and you may get even more hardline and erratic leaders in their place.

And on top of that, North Korea can't do anything without the blessing of it's most important ally, China. Who certainly isn't going to go to war with North Korea against their biggest economic partner, America. Fact is China needs you, without you it would not be where it is today. So for now at least it'll keep pyongyang on a leash, everything said by North Korea and Chinese support of North Korea is nothing more then political grandstanding.
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I think plenty of North Korea's actions, including most recently this ship sinking, show that in fact North Korea can act without approval from Beijing.
 
Wiseone said:
I think plenty of North Korea's actions, including most recently this ship sinking, show that in fact North Korea can act without approval from Beijing.
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Nothing can be said for certain on the ship sinking. For all we know (despite NK's governments denial they did it at all, which Will remain the official line for all time) it could have been the rogue actions of a submarine commander, we just don't really know.

There was so little logic in the ship sinking, and as crazy as NK can be, they certainly don't gain anything from it, certainly not from their ally China.
 
deltabtry said:
I was just being obnoxious, sarcastic so to speak, although later I posted that I wouldn't have any problem with China putting a leash on NK, but I am just one working stiff with just one vote.
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They have a leash, it just gets loosened from time to time...
 
Kali said:
Yeah. That is a way to keep on the sunny side. War does create jobs. :)
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Oh, I am not arguing the point... it bailed the U.S. out of the Great Depression... and it would be a great excuse to default on the loans... and it would force the U.S. to refocus on its manufacturing base...
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Well, I was actually kinda kidding. The PROK propaganda machine would pretty much eliminate any chance that they'd eat anything we offered them.
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FYI - DPRK (Democratic -sic- People's -sic- Republic -sic- of Korea)

Also, foreign aid to North Korea is going to go wherever the government wants it to go.
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Absolutely, and anyone who thinks it is going to the common people has been watching a little too much propoganda

All I'm saying is that we don't have a whole lot to fear from North Korea, aside from their ability and willingness to fight a war of attrition. That's the only card in their deck.
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Actually, they do have another rather potent card. The ability to all but wipe Seoul off the map within an hour through missiles and a quick strike into the city that the Korean and U.S. forces don't have the ability to stop in the first day of any potential war.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
What is it like? I don't like Beijing either, but I highly doubt that even they would waste one drop of Chines blood to prop up Kim Jong Il if it meant losing more important partners
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Except that the do value the DPRK as a buffer state. They absolutely would never relent to having a pro-U.S. Seoul government allowing U.S. forces to be stationed along the Yalu River across from Dandong. They still make a big deal about how a U.S. jet allegedly bombed the Chinese side of a bridge connecting the two countries prior to the entrance of Chinese "volunteers" into the conflict. I have been there -- I've seen it. It is a pilgrimage site on the border for Chinese.

And as for Chinese blood? They have 1.3 BILLION people and they themselves acknowledge they have an overpopulation problem. Do you think they care about a couple of million so long as it protects their geo-strategic goals.

Having said that, they do not want this conflict NOW. They want it later at a time and place of their own choosing, but anyone who thinks they will relent to a pro-U.S. Seoul regime controlling the entire peninsula just doesn't know what is going on there.
 
ludahai said:
Except that the do value the DPRK as a buffer state. They absolutely would never relent to having a pro-U.S. Seoul government allowing U.S. forces to be stationed along the Yalu River across from Dandong. They still make a big deal about how a U.S. jet allegedly bombed the Chinese side of a bridge connecting the two countries prior to the entrance of Chinese "volunteers" into the conflict. I have been there -- I've seen it. It is a pilgrimage site on the border for Chinese.
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For veterans and other civilians who don't control China's foreign policy. That was 60 years ago when America and China were mortal enemies. Now we are trading partners. They won't like a united Korea, but they know that America doesn't seriously want to invade China. Why would we?

ludahai said:
And as for Chinese blood? They have 1.3 BILLION people and they themselves acknowledge they have an overpopulation problem. Do you think they care about a couple of million so long as it protects their geo-strategic goals.
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And what's the point of wasting any of it to alienate their biggest trading partner. They exported over $160 billion in goods to the US in the last year. Why piss off that market? North Korea's GDP is barely even 1/4 of that. A buffer doesn't even matter, America could almost as just launch forces into China from South Korea right now if it wanted to.

ludahai said:
Having said that, they do not want this conflict NOW. They want it later at a time and place of their own choosing, but anyone who thinks they will relent to a pro-U.S. Seoul regime controlling the entire peninsula just doesn't know what is going on there.
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Then tell me, what is going on down there? Why would China want a useless buffer that is worth a fraction of their trade with the US? The Rulers of China are bad people, I get it. They're also not that stupid.
 
The DPRK would make Marx spin in his grave, but words change over time.
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Sure, up can eventually mean down, and left right...

Orrrr the North Korean regime doesn't even attempt to be "communist". Juche is not communism, no matter how much you think the word "changed over time".
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Sure, up can eventually mean down, and left right...
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Words change to mean the opposite of what they originally meant all the time. 120 years ago, my lean would be called "Liberal."

Khayembii Communique said:
Orrrr the North Korean regime doesn't even attempt to be "communist". Juche is not communism, no matter how much you think the word "changed over time".
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They don't try to be Marxist at all. They're Stalinist, which has essentially become a type of Communism. You're talking about semantics.
 
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