LOL now you call me an anti-semite.. I should report you but some how I expect nothing to come of that.
No, anti-Semitism is holding sentiments against Jews.
I was saying that you have a problem with the inquiry because it is managed by Israelis.
An inquiry set up by the Israeli government will never be independent enough for god sake.
Exactly what I said. Hey look, you've just called yourself an anti-Semite. :lol:
You can't accept the fact that this inquiry is independent, you'd only be satisfied with an inquiry that is not managed by Israelis.
A British independent inquiry set by the British government for example has reached the conclusion that Bloody Sunday was indeed a misdeed.
You wouldn't however have problem with that committee because it was not set by Israel, you let your political opinion take over your rationalism.
Have you ever heard of conflict of interest? I know it is an alien thing for most American's but you live on this side of the pond so you should at least have heard of the concept. The other side will never ever accept the findings, just like Israel would never ever accept any independent inquiry set up by Hamas.
Who's the other side lol?
This inquiry is not trying to satisfy the Free Gaza movement, I think such notion would be absurd. The inquiry is trying to satisfy the international call for an independent investigation after the flotilla incident.
That is why we need an international inquiry where non of the sides involved in the dispute are sitting on the judging panel.
Well like it or not the body doing the inquiry is the same body behind the Goldstone committee, and it is a body that the majority of its work, which is supposed to be international, was centered on Israel.
The UNHCR, the United Nations Human Rights Council is simply another name for "the United Nations committee for anti-Israeli decisions.
It's a biased body that is dominated by third world countries.
LOL what a lame excuse. Great way to protect the guilty.. sorry we can reveal who it is, but yes he did shoot the Turk 5 times in the head.
And we have evidence that shows that Turk along with the rest of the people on board of the top deck attacking soldiers, so excuse me for not showing compassion towards those who try to stab soldiers with knives and throw them off decks.
Wanna bet? For one, how do we know that the evidence present is all the evidence available? After all the IDF has been sitting on it for months now.
Actually I'm not sure there was so much evidence from the activist's side to begin with.
They've released one long video type of one hour or so showing the activists attacking the speed boats and throwing stuff on the chopper before it has released the soldiers onto the board, and we have the Israeli types showing the activists attacking soldiers, contrary to their initial statement that soldiers were not attacked.
We also have some photos the activists have taken and released of Israeli soldiers being beaten up and bleeding on the ground.
Besides that I don't think there was so much evidence, we're speaking about one single ship were a great portion of the people were busy trying to kill Israeli soldiers.
And so what?
Listen we are not debating about if the activists attacked the IDF troops, that is beyond doubt in my opinion. Just as it is beyond doubt that the IDF troopers should never have been there and they reacted very unprofessionally.
Yeah, just as it is beyond doubt that the world is flat and that the honey bee weights 500 kilograms on average.
No, it is beyond doubt that the soldiers have acted professionally showing great restraint on the face of a huge violent mob that is trying to lynch them with cold and hot weapons, and it is beyond doubt that Israel has a right to prevent weapons from reaching the Gaza Strip which is controlled by an anti-Israeli terrorist organization.
What I, and many others are very interested in, is the differences in what that activists are saying and what the IDF is saying. For example there are reports that people were shot dead even before the IDF troops hit the deck of the ship. If people were already shot before the IDF troops hit the deck, then that could very well explain why the IDF troops were attacked.. people were defending themselves against a hostile force that already had killed a few. Without all evidence gathered from all sides and a credible time-line, then we will never know and this dispute will go down in a long line unresolved disputes that will rot away any form of possible peace in the region. It has already all but destroyed the relationship between Turkey and Israel for one.
The activists have also said that they haven't attacked soldiers, I see no reason to believe their assertions.
Besides that, the logical mind says that when you're being shot at you're not waiting for a landing military chopper, filled with soldiers, with knives and crowbars - it doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense.
Furthermore if it was true that the army has engaged the ship from the beginning with live ammunition, there is no explanation as to why the soldiers have let themselves be beaten by the massive crowd instead of pulling the pistols and shooting them, or better, just shoot them down from the chopper. Again, it doesn't make any tiny bit of sense at all.
Never asked for it personally. I want the world to have the evidence and via a fully independent investigation.
The Israeli investigations carries those traits. It's a transparent fully independent investigation that involves international observers in it.
And yes that means, no Palestinians, no Turks and no Israelis on the investigation panel.
Throughout the history of the modern warfare, when was a country investigated by an international committee?
The British investigation for the Iraq war was, wait for it, British.
Again, the only reason why you don't trust the Israeli one is because it is Israeli. If it was British I doubt there would be any calls against it at all.
It shows one view. Just as the edited footage of the Department of Agriculture woman showed her as a racist, where as the full version did not show anything remotely that way. The IDF have already admitted that the footage they released is edited. Footage taken by the activists could help a lot, but only selected bits have been released by the IDF... of course confirming their view.
The footage is consecutive so I have no idea what you're talking about, but besides that the activists have released their own edited footage which unsurprisingly has failed to base their own version of the incident.
So they killed themselves? And when you take some ones life then it is murder/homicide. Now that murder can be justified as in self defence or in war, but it is still murder/homicide. Even if you kill someone by accident, it is still classified as murder/homicide.
We don't know if they were all killed by the soldiers.
The soldiers were being fired on as well, and it is very likely that the shooters weren't really trained at shooting.
You have a lot to base it on.. what exactly? The IDF press releases and what you see on an edited grainy video .. released by the IDF? Seriously..
The countless of videos and the contradicting statements from the activists, yes, that is enough evidence not merely to base it but to make it obvious.