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USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

Dunno - to me what she did at the time and what she conveyed to the NAACP was racist. She told a racist story. Now that it comes out she became friends with the farmer - that doesn't lessen or excuse anything. It was 1968 - one can say well --- it was the "times". Perhaps. And knee jerk by this White House? Absolutely - they wouldn't know a measured or thoughtful response if it bit them in the ass.

There is a moral to the story though: Don't tell racist stories to groups of people where you have even a chance of being put on video. You can and will be held accountable for your past misdeeds.

Remember: Macaca? No one ever heard of the word before ... but it was enough to cause outrage. And let's put this into perspective and turn it around. Let's say she was not black but was white - and these were poor black farmers. The same thing would have occurred - she would have been fired and the big outrage would have played out in the media just as it is now. In fact, this might be the most even handed and un-racist act, now that I think about it, the White House has divvied out. This would have happened if she was white, and it happened the same way that she was black. Hm... I may have to think about this some more and I might take back what I said about the White House.


There is nothing to play out other than excited posters commenting about it. Are you struggling here to figure out a way to make the White House look bad in this situation? What do you think should happen to someone who admitedly betrays the public trust and commits an act that is motivated only by racism?
 
There is a moral to the story though: Don't tell racist stories to groups of people where you have even a chance of being put on video. You can and will be held accountable for your past misdeeds.
That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.

I believe Palin's daughter was going around at one point talking to teenagers about her experience of getting pregnant young and unmarried and was trying to do good, and I think you'll agree with me that this would be an example of learning from one's mistakes and teaching other's from your mistakes. That move was brave on her part too.
 
I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.
 
That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.
wrong
it's bigotry
she spoke before the NAACP bragging that she failed to use the full force of her office to assist a farmer. the reason she cited for refusing to extend the full force of her USDA office to aid that citizen, was his race. he was white
there is nothing brave about that public official boasting of her racial discrimination as a government official

I believe Palin's daughter was going around at one point talking to teenagers about her experience of getting pregnant young and unmarried and was trying to do good, and I think you'll agree with me that this would be an example of learning from one's mistakes and teaching other's from your mistakes. That move was brave on her part too.
another example of hypocrisy
seeing that she gave birth to a bastard child, she obviously did not practice abstinence or other safe sex methods, yet she gets paid to promote abstinence to other unmarried young women
brave? hell no
evidence of an opportunist? certainly. we see the values you embrace and endorse: bigotry and hypocrisy ... bravery is nowhere to be found
 
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As I've said elsewhere: She admitted to doing a bad job therefore she should be fired or resign regardless of any racial issues involved.

HOWEVER, she was responding to what she considered insulting and racist behavior on the part of that farmer. How many of you would do your best to help a racist who was insulting you?

Now she wasn't very specific about what caused her to believe that he was talking down to her. If she was just reading into his actions, then yeah she was being racist, but I don't have enough info to say.

Racism is racism. They both deserved what they got. If you let one off the hook then it is a double standard. The white guy was in the wrong first, the black lady was in the wrong second. They are both still in the wrong though.
 
There is nothing to play out other than excited posters commenting about it. Are you struggling here to figure out a way to make the White House look bad in this situation?
No, I actually think they did the right thing. This is what would have happened had the woman been white, or it being a white man. So it might be the best thing the WH has done.

What do you think should happen to someone who admitedly betrays the public trust and commits an act that is motivated only by racism?
If they're obviously racist in their comments and speaking to a large group of people - they probably should be fired. Which is exactly what happened.
 
That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.
Ahh... no.
 
I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.

If this were a white man or a white woman - they'd be fired in a nano-second. I think Obama got it right this time.
 
I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.

I appreciate you being willing to look at the facts and be objective.
 
she spoke before the NAACP bragging that she failed to use the full force of her office to assist a farmer.

You have the facts incorrect, bubba. She worked for a private advocacy group back in the 1980s, when this happened. She was talking about a personal learning experience she had in 1986 when she realized that SHE HERSELF was being a racist, and that because of this experience, she came to understnd that poverty had no color, that it affects blacks and whites alike.

There is NO EVIDENCE that she has acted inappropriately in her appointment to USDA.
 
There is NO EVIDENCE that she has acted inappropriately in her appointment to USDA.

Furthermore, the white farmer that she helped seems to think that she did a good job and helped them keep their farm. It's an odd story in the end, and I guess shows the disconnect between the world of politics and the real world.

[video]http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/07/20/spooners.usda.int.cnn[/video]
 
I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.

Easy Trigger. Not "the conservatives". Some. Some very eager and willing participants in the 'scam' embraced it because it fits their argument.
 
If this were a white man or a white woman - they'd be fired in a nano-second. I think Obama got it right this time.

Here is the funny terrible train wreck irony...Fox News was on during lunch and they covered this story...and what did they cover? How bad it was that Obama coerced this woman to resign before really knowing the full facts of the event.
 
Easy Trigger. Not "the conservatives". Some. Some very eager and willing participants in the 'scam' embraced it because it fits their argument.

Well, I would have to say that I was wrong if there is more to the story than originally revealed.. I read the Fox News report and I assumed it contained truth in her violating the rules of her job, using racism and betraying the power of her position. Today I feel shame in saying that I willingly read Fox News and it made me think stupidly.
 
Dunno - to me what she did at the time and what she conveyed to the NAACP was racist. She told a racist story. Now that it comes out she became friends with the farmer - that doesn't lessen or excuse anything. It was 1968 - one can say well --- it was the "times". Perhaps. And knee jerk by this White House? Absolutely - they wouldn't know a measured or thoughtful response if it bit them in the ass.

There is a moral to the story though: Don't tell racist stories to groups of people where you have even a chance of being put on video. You can and will be held accountable for your past misdeeds.

Remember: Macaca? No one ever heard of the word before ... but it was enough to cause outrage. And let's put this into perspective and turn it around. Let's say she was not black but was white - and these were poor black farmers. The same thing would have occurred - she would have been fired and the big outrage would have played out in the media just as it is now. In fact, this might be the most even handed and un-racist act, now that I think about it, the White House has divvied out. This would have happened if she was white, and it happened the same way that she was black. Hm... I may have to think about this some more and I might take back what I said about the White House.

Well...on the plus side I DID say I wasnt going to hold my breath...

Sigh...

You have seen about a minute and twenty seconds of a speech. You took a woman that addressed a group of people and told them that she learned from her mistake 24 years ago and decided no past action is reconcilable and no good deed goes unpunished.

It is as exasperating watching the dogged defense of an indefensible position.
 
Well, I would have to say that I was wrong if there is more to the story than originally revealed.. I read the Fox News report and I assumed it contained truth in her violating the rules of her job, using racism and betraying the power of her position. Today I feel shame in saying that I willingly read Fox News and it made me think stupidly.

Which job? The one she held 24 years ago working for a private non-profit organization...the one in which she learned a valuable positive life altering lesson which she attempted to share with others? The one in which she took that same client and after he was abandoned by the white lawyer she had intially referred him to she then jumped through hoops to help with later?

Or the job this woman who learned...who grew...who changed in a positive way currently held some 24 years later?

And we wonder why there is never any growth or change in this quest to stamp out racism.
 
What a racist turd. I can only imagine if this were the other way around, and it was a white official in the Bush administration talking about some "uppity black farmer" who he decided to not help, and instead send to "his own people".

The sad part is that she almost redeemed herself, and almost said that it was about poverty, not about black and white. But unlike what her (disgustingly numerous) defenders are asserting, she did not ever actually say this. She stopped herself mid-sentence, and said "It IS about black and white", but it's okay because she sent him to "his own people" to deal with him.

Well, that's the sad part, but not the most dispicable. First there's the audience's reaction - they're clearly pleased when she says she didn't help him, and that's probably part of what encouraged her to retract her almost saying that it isn't about race (the other part being that she's a racist turd). Then there's the fact that she talks about this "white farmer" who was "trying to act superior to her", clearly without any evidence that race was on his mind, and clearly because she sees things in black and white and assumed he would have race on his mind. It's no different than a white person saying a black person acted "uppity" for talking a lot and sounding smart. But the worst part by far is how she talks about sending this "white farmer" to "his own people", which is no different from supporting segregation. What's really sad is that all of this probably reflects the thinking of a lot of black people, such as those in the NAACP in the audience. Everything was about race - she admitted such, after almost admitting the opposite - and everything is seen as in black and white; black farmer or white farmer, his people and my people, them and us. A sad state of affairs.

Come to think of it, it's sort of ironic - metaphorically, the people (like Sharrod) who see things in black and white are the opposite of metaphorically colorblind.
 
Well...on the plus side I DID say I wasnt going to hold my breath...

Sigh...

You have seen about a minute and twenty seconds of a speech. You took a woman that addressed a group of people and told them that she learned from her mistake 24 years ago and decided no past action is reconcilable and no good deed goes unpunished.
Post the entire speech. I'd like to see it - apparently you have and there's some moral equivelency to the rest of the speech that weighs heavily on the part deemed racist.
 
Just so you all know....Glenn Beck doesn't think she should've been fired either.
 
Well, I would have to say that I was wrong if there is more to the story than originally revealed.. I read the Fox News report and I assumed it contained truth in her violating the rules of her job, using racism and betraying the power of her position. Today I feel shame in saying that I willingly read Fox News and it made me think stupidly.

Sokay - I willingly kill my brain cells by watching MSNBC but in low doses. It's my substitution for harmful drugs. The only side effect is the giggles and sometimes nausea.
 
'Snookered'
David Kurtz | July 20, 2010, 6:42PMAs I've said all day, I want to see the unedited video of Shirley Sherrod before drawing a final conclusion. But the NAACP has now reviewed the unedited tape (as I understand it, they've actually listened to the audio) and based on its review released a statement saying it was "snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias."

NAACP President Ben Jealous, no doubt swallowing hard, admits, "Next time we are confronted by a racial controversy broken by Fox News or their allies in the Tea Party like Mr. Breitbart, we will consider the source and be more deliberate in responding."

The NAACP may release the unedited video as early as this evening.

'Snookered' | Talking Points Memo
 
Why on earth would you fire someone without all the facts? They HAD the tape. Why would they IMMEDIATELY fire her without even viewing the entire video? Sounds fishy.
 
Facts be damned.

That statement is another example of the inherent dishonesty that the progressive movement thrives on. If you can't dispute the facts, just attack and smear...

Keep up the good work comrade... Karl Marx would be proud if he were alive today.
Hmmm. Who produced the highly edited video. Andrew Breitbart. Joseph Goebbels, the minister of propaganda, would be proud if he were alive today.
 
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