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Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

Further, will this apply to ALL religious buildings, or just Islamic ones?

How about just the ones who are insensitive enough to try to build theirs so close to a massacre perpetrated by their more zealous adherents?
 
B) It lists enough of them positively to support the fact that there is NO right to build freely anywhere you want.

That seems odd. If they haven't broke any laws or building codes, on what grounds are they barred from building on that space?
 
It's amazing though, if this was a Christian church being built all the critics of this Mosque would be screaming 1st amendment violation if people wanted to stop the building of the Christian church.
 
That seems odd. If they haven't broke any laws or building codes, on what grounds are they barred from building on that space?

And here again...I didnt say they are barred legally. But they don't have any kind of positive right to build there just because they want to, either.
 
And here again...I didnt say they are barred legally. But they don't have any kind of positive right to build there just because they want to, either.

So you don't have a positive right to wear a redshirt on Sundays simply because you're not legally barred? That seems silly. I think Ikari is right on this, there are rights not enumerated in the constitution. This is one of them.
 
It's amazing though, if this was a Christian church being built all the critics of this Mosque would be screaming 1st amendment violation if people wanted to stop the building of the Christian church.

If a Christian zealot group had massacred a bunch of people and toppled a monument, I would be just as disturbed at the insensitivity of christians trying to build a church practically on top of it, too.

Except, see...here in America, there's probably already a church really close. Because churches aren't all that out of place, being that Christianity is vastly more common here in America than Islam. A mosque...yeah it kinda sticks out and makes people take notice.
 
How about just the ones who are insensitive enough to try to build theirs so close to a massacre perpetrated by their more zealous adherents?

The people who committed this act weren't members of this mosque. Why should they be punished for something they didn't do? I mean, for instance, I don't hold Fred Phelps against the sum total of Christianity.
 
So you don't have a positive right to wear a redshirt on Sundays simply because you're not legally barred? That seems silly. I think Ikari is right on this, there are rights not enumerated in the constitution. This is one of them.

You have no rights to build anywhere you want.

The whole wear a red shirt on Sunday thing is stupid because it doesn't take into account our right to free expression and the need for the State to show why it would have an interest in changing the color you wear on Sundays.
 
If a Christian zealot group had massacred a bunch of people and toppled a monument, I would be just as disturbed at the insensitivity of christians trying to build a church practically on top of it, too.

Except, see...here in America, there's probably already a church really close. Because churches aren't all that out of place, being that Christianity is vastly more common here in America than Islam. A mosque...yeah it kinda sticks out and makes people take notice.

So it's ok for a Christian church to be there, but not a Mosque? Wow, the intolerance of some is simply amazing. And critics of Islam say Islam is the religion of intolerance, HA!
 
The people who committed this act weren't members of this mosque. Why should they be punished for something they didn't do?

and yet AGAIN...I didnt say they should be punished. But their lack of sensitivity is a little disconcerting.
 
So it's ok for a Christian church to be there, but not a Mosque? Wow, the intolerance of some is simply amazing. And critics of Islam say Islam is the religion of intolerance, HA!

Wow, the lack of reading comprehension of some is simply amazing. Where did make the statements you attributed to me, exactly?
 
and yet AGAIN...I didnt say they should be punished. But their lack of sensitivity is a little disconcerting.

They should be lumped into the same category as the people who bombed 9/11, but not punished. Right?
 
Except, see...here in America, there's probably already a church really close. Because churches aren't all that out of place, being that Christianity is vastly more common here in America than Islam. A mosque...yeah it kinda sticks out and makes people take notice.

This does give the impression that your zeal is only directed against Islamics.
 
They should be lumped into the same category as the people who bombed 9/11, but not punished. Right?

Are you going to actually respond to what I am saying or are you going to keep trying to play these idiotic "gotcha" games with attributing your feigned indignation to my posts?

I mean seriously...save us some time now and let me know what your intentions are because if it's to keep doing what you're doing, I have no further interest in it. So what's it gonna be, Catz?
 
This does give the impression that your zeal is only directed against Islamics.

Then your perception is warped and you might want to read twice before posting to give yourself an extra chance to digest it.
 
Are you going to actually respond to what I am saying or are you going to keep trying to play these idiotic "gotcha" games with attributing your feigned indignation to my posts?

I mean seriously...save us some time now and let me know what your intentions are because if it's to keep doing what you're doing, I have no further interest in it. So what's it gonna be, Catz?

I see very clearly that what you want is to treat the individuals who want to build the mosque as if they are somehow responsible for, or implicated in, the attacks of 9/11.

And what I would say to that is that we are not engaged in a religious war. We are a country where the government stays out of religious affairs, by and large. And, I do not believe that we should encourage local governments to discriminate on the basis of religion in issuing building permits.

If people aren't interested in the Mosque, they can exercise the same religious liberties I do every sunday, and refrain from attending.
 
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I see very clearly that what you want is to treat the individuals who want to build the mosque as if they are somehow responsible for, or implicated in, the attacks of 9/11.

That's your warped opinion then and not at all in line with anything I stated.

And what I would say to that is that we are not engaged in a religious war.

No, but it was sparked by an act of religious zeal by a group that has legitimate claims to representation of the religion, worldwide. A little sensitivity is in order from the rest of the adherents of the religion. I would expect the same of Christians.

We are a country where the government stays out of religious affairs, by and large.

Building monuments isn't a religious affair.

And, I do not believe that we should encourage local governments to discriminate on the basis of religion in issuing building permits.

And I don't believe we should take the power of the legal system, the market, and public demonstration out of the hands of the people or their local elected officials.
 
Or, maybe your posts are about 90% emotionalism and 10% logic.

OK, I'm done with you at this point. You and those who act like you, calling people fascists and other "emotionalism" are exactly why my stays away from here get more and more lengthy. I'll just end this now and let you have your last word so you can feel good about yourself for the rest of the day.
 
OK, I'm done with you at this point. You and those who act like you, calling people fascists and other "emotionalism" are exactly why my stays away from here get more and more lengthy. I'll just end this now and let you have your last word so you can feel good about yourself for the rest of the day.

No need to get all butthurt just because your position is illogical, Jall.
 
I didn't say it was off limits. But it should not be downplayed as being a hike away from what was a smoldering pile of rubble. It's practically on top of it and shows a little insensitivity on the parts of these Muslim groups building it.

no doubt. that's what bothers me about this. why build there?
 
no doubt. that's what bothers me about this. why build there?

Well clearly, according to Ikari we are fascists and the resident menopause hormones ad, we're illogical. But whatever. Glad we are in agreement.
 
no doubt. that's what bothers me about this. why build there?

BECAUSE THEY OWN THE LAND THERE. There are a **** ton of churches building new buildings in my neighborhood. If it were up to me, I'd say we need another church in our neighborhood like we need a hole in the head. However, their buildings meet the conditions of zoning laws, and they have every right to build a new building on their property. I don't understand why this is so hard for people.
 
no doubt. that's what bothers me about this. why build there?

Because you don't get to pick where you can build things in NYC. If you're fortunate to acquire some property, you take what you can get.
Because Muslims died in the WTC attack too.
Because Muslims want to reach out and repair the damage caused to our relationship, and this building helps do that. (it's not a mosque. It's a community center with a mosque in it)
Because Al-Qaeda has killed more Muslims than non-Muslims or Americans.
Because Muslims aren't responsible for what happened. I'm German, should I stay away from anywhere where Jews worship?

People who are bothered by this are only bothered because they are connecting the mosque builders to Al-Qaeda. Personally, if someone did that to me, say by connecting me to the KKK or Army of God, I'd be really ****ing insulted.
 
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Well clearly, according to Ikari we are fascists and the resident menopause hormones ad, we're illogical. But whatever. Glad we are in agreement.

Generally speaking, you're really smart or I wouldn't bother with you. Your posts on this issue, however, are more rant than reason.
 
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