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AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

spud_meister said:
so do you take that stance with everything, you would have had no qualms if the international community did not offer the US $854 million after hurricane katrina?
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Yes, I do take that stance with everything. What the international community does is up to them. I have no say in their government nor do I pay taxes to it.
 
The Dane said:
No they don't, but giving money to fund aids relief does. It's also true that there's no ****ing way Jesus would have liked conservative's lack of compassion and social welfare.
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It's not that Conservatives don't like giving someone else a hand up. It is that they don't want the government dictating to them how to do it. I will say it right now - Those who don't give a damn about the poor are most likely going straight to hell. On the other hand, our nation is founded on a principle of separation of church and state. I see a lot of Liberals who bring up this argument against Conservatives who push religious principles, but these same Liberals would use a religious principle to support their own point of view. Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me. Just keep the Bible out of it. We are NOT a theocracy. Remember that, Libs.
 
obvious Child said:
And someone doesn't see why we should help. Even when it's in our own interest for security.

Basic development lesson.

AIDs destroys the basic fabric of society by killing off the working age group. That reduces economic activity and reduces the wealth of countries on an average income basis. With less money, less schooling is available to students. With no parents to take care of children and little schooling, children are sent into the work force and often easy prey to radicals. Furthermore, with many AIDs infected countries have already massive debt servicing requirements, less and less money is reinvested into the economy. This is a vicious cycle that guts the economy of a country and ensures that it never gets out of poverty.

Generally rich countries with good education systems don't have sizable terrorist groups coming from them. There is a reason the US is increasing aid to parts of Africa. We do not want another front in our war on terrorism.
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No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist. How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?

Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist. How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?

Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
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how many suicide bombers are educated? if smart people are going to be terrorists, they'll be like bin laden, and take the planning side of it, its the impoverished dumb ****s that are the ones who blow themselves up.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist.
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Tell me, how many of the insurgents who actually fight come from middle class families? (hint: This is the first sign you are as usual wrong)
Then tell me, are the youth signing up with the Islamic militants in Somalia coming from middle class families? (hint: This is the second sign you are as usual wrong)
After that, tell me the taliban fighters from Pakistan coming from wealth families who sent their children to good schools joining the fight against NATO troops? (hint: This is the third sign you are as usual wrong)

How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?
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Lots.

The majority who are actually fighting.

Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
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Apparently picking out the leaders somehow invalidates the thousands who actually fight on the front lines. More bad staistics from Mr. V.

Your fatal flaw is focusing entirely on high profile cases rather then the terrorists fighting every day.
 
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The problem with aiding Africa is, what do they do after you send them aid?

There's no real economic development for most of them but they still reproduce, requiring more aid for those new people.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The problem with aiding Africa is, what do they do after you send them aid?

There's no real economic development for most of them but they still reproduce, requiring more aid for those new people.
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Hence why we need to stop aid as a primary focus and do trade. Africa does have growth but it's not matched by population growth. And the massive debt they have isn't helping.
 
obvious Child said:
Hence why we need to stop aid as a primary focus and do trade. Africa does have growth but it's not matched by population growth. And the massive debt they have isn't helping.
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Ohh I agree completely.

You stop aid though and the bleeding hearts will pour out of the wood works.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Ohh I agree completely.

You stop aid though and the bleeding hearts will pour out of the wood works.
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Africa still does need aid, it just needs to be less of a focus. Jeffery Sach's idea isn't bad and isn't that expensive. Remember that if we don't solve the primary problems underlying the economic problems, trade won't help. Basically, we need to help them get on the first rung of the economic prosperity ladder. And then move them up with trade.
 
I agree with everything you stated. The OP said Africans are lucky for getting what they get and if he was in charge they would get nothing. What the country should do is irrelevant compared to an individual who claims to be christian, and has told me that I have a problem WITH chrsitians. If people are going to claim to be Christian, but then delibarately and outright defy Christian principles in a way that interferes with my opinions then yes, I am going to point out that they are out of line with their religion and they should not be toting that line.
 
obvious Child said:
Uh, not in the quantities that make a difference. Look up the deals struck with Israeli and Indian producers to provide at cost drugs to African nations. Charities don't have the clout to get pharm companies to agree to international conventions to bypass patent laws.
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So what you said wasn't what you meant to say.
 
I don't even know where to begin with Africa, that continent was ****ed beyond belief. They are a living breathing and still around American Indian situation except ALOT worse.
 
The Dane said:
I don't even know where to begin with Africa, that continent was ****ed beyond belief. They are a living breathing and still around American Indian situation except ALOT worse.
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Repeatedly sweeping their legs and asking why they don't pick themselves up.
 
Moon said:
So what you said wasn't what you meant to say.
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Tell me what Charity can provide at cost millions of drugs for decades on end. Please attempt to. I fully understand the agreements made by the drug industry with global health quasi-NGOs and governments to make specialized rules that bypass TRIPs to allow producers in Israeli and India and Argentina as well as produce millions of retrovials to African countries.

You run of the mill charity cannot do that.
 
Here's an idea. Why don't we place conditions on aide? Let's face it, the aide, if in dollars, is gobbled up by the warlords, and or dictators. Let's stop putting the UN in charge of our dough, and do it ourselves. Think about it, Obama would then have a valid claim when he claims that new jobs are being created. :)

-Or-

We could say screw you Africa..

In the US, Canada, and most of western society, heterosexuals have a statistically zero chance of acquiring HIV, so it's not our problem anymore. Certainly not justifying spending 4 times the amount we spend on Herat disease, cancer research, but, then again, that's just my opinion.


Tim-
 
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