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Obama tax plan: $80 billion in cuts, five-minute filings

MaggieD said:
Well, I think this is a good post -- letting some people know they're taxes went down. A lot of the tax credits to 'special interests', (and by that I mean, families with children, yada yada yada) are what make "the rest of us" nuts, though.

What your thread has pointed out, to me, is that our tax system needs a complete overhaul. Like throw it in the garbage and start over overhaul. (Like that's news. But Obama's 5-Minutes-To-File proclamation is a joke. 2009 Income Tax Instruction Booklet: 102 pages.
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It does need to be trashed and started over with but you'll get much resistance as both parties have a vested interest in keeping it the way it currently is.
They both talk a big game with making it easier but that practically never happens.

You can pretty much guarantee that these types of things are purely political talking points to smooze ignorant voters.
 
The Dane said:
The point is that he said he was going to lower taxes and he did. The tea parties entire premise is lower taxes and protecting the constitution. Since Obama is a constitutional scholar and wouldn't dream of defying it (which is why he is pro 2nd amendment), the only issue remaining is lowering taxes, which he has done for every single racist ignorant tea party member.
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Is that why he violated the Constitution, by signing off on a bill that forces American citizens to purchase a product, or face fine and/or prison? Maybe I need a constitutional scholar to explain to me how that is constitutional.
 
Deuce said:
See this is what we're talking about. Peoples' taxes went down and most of them aren't even aware of it.
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I can't imagine how we missed that whopping 13 bucks a week. That's two McDonald's value meals. Care to tell us why we should be impressed?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Not with Media Matters.

It's usually partisan junk, not gonna bother.
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I know I used a question mark, but it was clear that you didn't read it. Because it didn't say what you were arguing against. What you wrote would have been a straw man, except you weren't actually aware of it, so I don't know what to call it.

apdst said:
I can't imagine how we missed that whopping 13 bucks a week. That's two McDonald's value meals. Care to tell us why we should be impressed?
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Something like 46% of the Tea Partiers think their income taxes went up in 2009/2010. They would be wrong. The point isn't the amount, the point is that income taxes in 2009 were overall the lowest they have ever been. I'm not saying you should be impressed, I'm saying you shouldn't be wandering the streets with a sign saying Obama raised your taxes.
 
Deuce said:
Something like 46% of the Tea Partiers think their income taxes went up in 2009/2010. They would be wrong. The point isn't the amount, the point is that income taxes in 2009 were overall the lowest they have ever been. I'm not saying you should be impressed, I'm saying you shouldn't be wandering the streets with a sign saying Obama raised your taxes.
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Well, our taxes are going up in 2011, what with the re-birth of old taxes and the introduction of new taxes. How can you brag about taxes being the lowest they've ever been, when you know damn well that they are going to be higher than ever, next year?
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The Dane said:
Why should I remove a centrist title when I support a centrist president.

I would choose your words wisely when you dance with me or I'll wipe the floor with you.
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A centrist President? You're from Europe, right?
 
apdst said:
Well, our taxes are going up in 2011, what with the re-birth of old taxes and the introduction of new taxes. How can you brag about taxes being the lowest they've ever been, when you know damn well that they are going to be higher than ever, next year?
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I wasn't bragging, I was stating a fact, and that survey is about what things are like now, not next year. 46% of tea partiers think Obama raised their taxes in 2009 and 2010.

Higher than ever? Really? Is that what you think is going to happen?

Perhaps you should do some research on historical tax rates.
 
Deuce said:
I wasn't bragging, I was stating a fact, and that survey is about what things are like now, not next year. 46% of tea partiers think Obama raised their taxes in 2009 and 2010.

Higher than ever? Really? Is that what you think is going to happen?

Perhaps you should do some research on historical tax rates.
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So, how do you feel about all the new taxes we're going to ass ****ed with next year?

What do you do for a living?
 
apdst said:
So, how do you feel about all the new taxes we're going to ass ****ed with next year?

What do you do for a living?
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The income taxe increase is not a new tax. It's an old tax.
Cap and Trade is still theoretical.
To which taxes are you referring?
 
Deuce said:
The income taxe increase is not a new tax. It's an old tax.
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I didn't say it was a new tax.

Cap and Trade is still theoretical.
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Made less so by the oil spill. What's that old saying a crisis?

To which taxes are you referring?
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I'm referring to the trillion dollars in new taxes that will hit us over the next ten years. The health tax, businesses having to issue 1099's to their vendors.

Are you afraid to tell me what you do for a living? You don't have to be specific, just give us an idea of what kind of work you do.
 
apdst said:
I didn't say it was a new tax.
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You mentioned new taxes, so I took a stab at it.



Made less so by the oil spill. What's that old saying a crisis?
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Last I heard, the "cap" part might not even make the bill. Tough to get 60 votes and the GOP isn't going to let anything go for a straight up or down vote.



I'm referring to the trillion dollars in new taxes that will hit us over the next ten years. The health tax, businesses having to issue 1099's to their vendors.

Are you afraid to tell me what you do for a living? You don't have to be specific, just give us an idea of what kind of work you do.
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A trillion dollars over ten years does not make our taxes "higher than ever." Not even close.

LaMidRighter said:
MMMM, you sure about that?
What good is lowering "some" taxes if you are raising more taxes around the smaller cuts?
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I fail to see how the post you quoted is evidence of somebody saying that there are not going to be any taxes that go up.

What good is it? Sometimes taxes get targeted to either promote or discourage particular behaviors or practices.

Are overall taxes going to go up from what they are now? Yes, they are. Sorry, but for thirty years now we've been cutting taxes while simultaneously increasing spending. This economic policy was hailed as ingenious when Reagan was doing it, but that growth we saw was funded by borrowing. Well, it's time to pay back the debt incurred. We have to cut spending and we have to raise taxes, because we can't afford to continue the Bush Administration's income tax cuts that added $1.8 trillion to our debt. We gave ourselves one last push by using the stimulus package to cut taxes and inject some cash into the economy in an attempt to get it going again, but we're beyond tapped out now.

This might mean giving up our status as the world's economic superpower for a bit. It might mean our quality of life dips a bit. We made our bed, it's time to sleep in it.
 
Deuce said:
You mentioned new taxes, so I took a stab at it.
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No, I said old and new taxes.




Last I heard, the "cap" part might not even make the bill. Tough to get 60 votes and the GOP isn't going to let anything go for a straight up or down vote.
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The lenghts Libbos will go to to cover Obama's ass is incredible. Who are you trying to convince? Me, or yourself?





A trillion dollars over ten years does not make our taxes "higher than ever." Not even close.
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But still higher than they are now? Yes?



I fail to see how the post you quoted is evidence of somebody saying that there are not going to be any taxes that go up.

What good is it? Sometimes taxes get targeted to either promote or discourage particular behaviors or practices.

Are overall taxes going to go up from what they are now? Yes, they are. Sorry, but for thirty years now we've been cutting taxes while simultaneously increasing spending. This economic policy was hailed as ingenious when Reagan was doing it, but that growth we saw was funded by borrowing. Well, it's time to pay back the debt incurred. We have to cut spending and we have to raise taxes, because we can't afford to continue the Bush Administration's income tax cuts that added $1.8 trillion to our debt. We gave ourselves one last push by using the stimulus package to cut taxes and inject some cash into the economy in an attempt to get it going again, but we're beyond tapped out now.

This might mean giving up our status as the world's economic superpower for a bit. It might mean our quality of life dips a bit. We made our bed, it's time to sleep in it.
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You don't have a job, do you? :rofl
 
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Deuce said:
We have to cut spending and we have to raise taxes, because we can't afford to continue the Bush Administration's income tax cuts that added $1.8 trillion to our debt.
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Are you insane? Barry will add that much this year alone, not over 8 years..... THIS YEAR. :roll:
 
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So, Deuce has a sock puppet account now? I love that a guy claiming Obama is a Centrist is also claiming that the Tea Party is a place for those with a sub-par intelligence. Only one highly ignorant of facts, or a troll would make such statements. I don't believe "The Dane" is highly ignorant, nor do I believe he is a new "person" on this board.

Obama = Higher Taxes for all but the poorest, for which there are handouts to keep them poor.
 
apdst said:
So, how do you feel about all the new taxes we're going to ass ****ed with next year?

What do you do for a living?
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apdst said:
No, I said old and new taxes.
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Ok then.

The lenghts Libbos will go to to cover Obama's ass is incredible. Who are you trying to convince? Me, or yourself?
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There's another thread around here that discusses this very thing. Reid is having trouble getting 60 votes for a cap.



But still higher than they are now? Yes?
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See previous post discussing this.

You don't have a job, do you? :rofl
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My employment is not relevant to this discussion. Information about my employment can be found in various posts I've made around this forum, so the implication that I'm hiding it is just a poor attempt at ad hominem. Are you going to discuss the substance of my posting or would you like to continue discussing my personal life?

MrVicchio said:
So, Deuce has a sock puppet account now? I love that a guy claiming Obama is a Centrist is also claiming that the Tea Party is a place for those with a sub-par intelligence. Only one highly ignorant of facts, or a troll would make such statements. I don't believe "The Dane" is highly ignorant, nor do I believe he is a new "person" on this board.
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While I don't consider Obama to be a centrist, I certainly don't consider him to be far-left. He's a moderate liberal at best, by my view. After all, most of the time I criticize him it's because he's doing something to the right of what I'd like.

The Dane is not me.

Obama = Higher Taxes for all but the poorest, for which there are handouts to keep them poor.
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And conservatives = lower taxes, primarily for the wealthy. Also don't worry about that deficit thing, it doesn't matter.

I'd love to continue this but the tornado siren just went off. o_O See yas!
 
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Deuce said:
You mentioned new taxes, so I took a stab at it.




Last I heard, the "cap" part might not even make the bill. Tough to get 60 votes and the GOP isn't going to let anything go for a straight up or down vote.





A trillion dollars over ten years does not make our taxes "higher than ever." Not even close.



I fail to see how the post you quoted is evidence of somebody saying that there are not going to be any taxes that go up.

What good is it? Sometimes taxes get targeted to either promote or discourage particular behaviors or practices.

Are overall taxes going to go up from what they are now? Yes, they are. Sorry, but for thirty years now we've been cutting taxes while simultaneously increasing spending. This economic policy was hailed as ingenious when Reagan was doing it, but that growth we saw was funded by borrowing. Well, it's time to pay back the debt incurred. We have to cut spending and we have to raise taxes, because we can't afford to continue the Bush Administration's income tax cuts that added $1.8 trillion to our debt. We gave ourselves one last push by using the stimulus package to cut taxes and inject some cash into the economy in an attempt to get it going again, but we're beyond tapped out now.

This might mean giving up our status as the world's economic superpower for a bit. It might mean our quality of life dips a bit. We made our bed, it's time to sleep in it.
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Okay, maybe I wasn't specific enough. The taxes being increased are on the consumer base, the consumer base drives the economy. When the historically proven failure of tax increases does it's predicted thing then the next step introduced is going to be to raise taxes. I say this because the tax burdens are not diminished where they count, only shifted and back loaded, actually front loaded as well. But again, Obama promised no tax increases, at least one poster here said there were no tax increases, but there sure as **** seem to be a lot of tax increases afterall.
 
The Dane said:
Why should I remove a centrist title when I support a centrist president.

I would choose your words wisely when you dance with me or I'll wipe the floor with you.
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yeah Obama is a centrist if your idea of conservative is Barbara Boxer and your idea of Leftwing is Mikhail Bakunin
 
LaMidRighter said:
. But again, Obama promised no tax increases, at least one poster here said there were no tax increases, but there sure as **** seem to be a lot of tax increases afterall.
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Well, I've still yet to have that one poster shown to me. Feel free to quote that person so that I can refer to them as being woefully unaware of current events. Until then, I'm going to assume it's a standard extrapolation to absolute extremes of what someone actually said.

Cutting taxes isn't going to get rid of this debt.
 
Deuce said:
Well, I've still yet to have that one poster shown to me. Feel free to quote that person so that I can refer to them as being woefully unaware of current events. Until then, I'm going to assume it's a standard extrapolation to absolute extremes of what someone actually said.

Cutting taxes isn't going to get rid of this debt.
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Cutting taxes spurs economic activity and growth. Taxes hinder. Amazing how that works eh?
 
Deuce said:
Ok then.


There's another thread around here that discusses this very thing. Reid is having trouble getting 60 votes for a cap.




See previous post discussing this.


My employment is not relevant to this discussion. Information about my employment can be found in various posts I've made around this forum, so the implication that I'm hiding it is just a poor attempt at ad hominem. Are you going to discuss the substance of my posting or would you like to continue discussing my personal life?


While I don't consider Obama to be a centrist, I certainly don't consider him to be far-left. He's a moderate liberal at best, by my view. After all, most of the time I criticize him it's because he's doing something to the right of what I'd like.

The Dane is not me.



And conservatives = lower taxes, primarily for the wealthy. Also don't worry about that deficit thing, it doesn't matter.

I'd love to continue this but the tornado siren just went off. o_O See yas!
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its hard to lower taxes for anyone but the wealthy since the wealthy pay the vast majority of the income taxes. the top 10% pay over 70% of the income taxes. What the GOP does is lower taxes on the majority of the tax base. what obama claims to do is lower taxes on a great many people who pay a very small amount of the tax burden.

lowering taxes on 5% of the tax base really isn't much of an accomplishment even if it sounds great when you claim its lowering taxes on 60% of the population.
 
Deuce said:
Well, I've still yet to have that one poster shown to me. Feel free to quote that person so that I can refer to them as being woefully unaware of current events. Until then, I'm going to assume it's a standard extrapolation to absolute extremes of what someone actually said.

Cutting taxes isn't going to get rid of this debt.
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jacking up taxes isnt going to stop the insane growth of government spending
 
TurtleDude said:
jacking up taxes isnt going to stop the insane growth of government spending
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Hence my suggestion for also cutting spending. You should try responding to the discussion as a whole instead of just individual sentences.
 
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Deuce said:
Hence my suggestion for also cutting spending. You should try responding to the discussion as a whole instead of just individual sentences.
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you should stop assuming that you are the only one I am posting to or that others have such a sharp mind as you do oh wise one.
 
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