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They're just cementing the fact that they prefer choir boys to women. We all knew that already.
The Catholic Church does not "think that women are not fully and completely equal," far from it. A priest is not any more or less "equal" in the eyes of God, merely a holder of a particular sacramental position. The prohibition against women is just a question of liturgical tradition, not based on any idea of spiritual inferiority. At the end of the day, all people, clergy and laity, men and women, are equally sinners in the eyes of God, and equally loved by God.
You made the choice to marry a Roman Catholic with the knowledge, presumably, that as a Catholic, your wife is obligated to raise her children Catholic.
So just to change the subject just a tad, why is gay marriage such a big deal then? Is it not supposed to be at the discretion of the church/religion? Aboslutely, yet people are rabid on their opinions... even the non-religious. Makes me shake my head.
Wasn't referring to you specifically. I'm referring to Catholics who disagree with the Church's stance on moral issues. If they believe that the Church is morally wrong, that it holds false and harmful beliefs, what possible value could still belonging to the Church hold for them? If the Church is wrong, how can it lead them to salvation?
Your personal animosity toward the Church aside, you couldn't be more incorrect about the above statement. If we do not allow anger to cloud our understanding of the issue, then it becomes clear that we are not talking about the "equality" of women, which the Church unequivocally recognizes. The Catholic Church does not "think that women are not fully and completely equal," far from it. A priest is not any more or less "equal" in the eyes of God, merely a holder of a particular sacramental position. The prohibition against women is just a question of liturgical tradition, not based on any idea of spiritual inferiority. At the end of the day, all people, clergy and laity, men and women, are equally sinners in the eyes of God, and equally loved by God.
You made the choice to marry a Roman Catholic with the knowledge, presumably, that as a Catholic, your wife is obligated to raise her children Catholic. My wife is Buddhist, and this is something we talked about in depth at the pre-Cana conference we were required to attend prior to marriage in the Church. You knew this, yet you still chose to marry her. So, while you are not Catholic and as such are not obligated to believe what our Church teaches us through the guidence of the Holy Spirit, but if you wife wishes to remain a communicant Catholic, then she is required to follow the teachings of the Church, whether you agree with them or not.
There is marriage in the eyes of the Church and marriage in the eyes of the law. The former may only matter to members of the same Church, but the law applies to all of us and we all have an equal stake in it.
You're a non-religious person, right?
A belief in God is a matter of faith, supported by fact.
You're a non-religious person, right?
A belief in God is a matter of faith, supported by fact. For that reason, the no-God squad cannot convince a believer that there is no God because, they can't speak the language.
For the same reason, no one is going to convince YOU that there is a God, because you doesn't understand the language of faith. It is bs to you.
You're a non-religious person, right?
A belief in God is a matter of faith, supported by fact. For that reason, the no-God squad cannot convince a believer that there is no God because, they can't speak the language.
For the same reason, no one is going to convince YOU that there is a God, because you doesn't understand the language of faith. It is bs to you.
How can a Church that follows false doctrine lead a person to a true relationship with God?
Right. But the latter should not affect the population one iota, other than granting the population more equal rights.
If a church decided to marry gays or not, it's at the discretion of the religion and parishioners... not the governent.
If they cannot hold that sacramental position, and thus cannot ever achieve popehood, they are something other than fully and completely equal.
The problem is not my anger, it's your understanding of what "fully and completely' really means.
It's a Catholic matter, strictly internal to that church and having no effect outside of those who are voluntarily part of it, and I'm not Catholic.... so I don't much care.
Exactly. My entire problem with organized religion, and the Catholic faith in particular. ... God invites me to his communion table...not the Catholic Church.
She isn't required to do ****. She chooses to do it.
That is the grey area. "Fact" (or scripture) can be construed in many different ways. The same verse can mean different things to different people/religions. So who is right?
Bah, they should allow women to be priests and they should go back to allowing priests to be married. That one changed in the Middle Ages and was more about transfer of property than anything else.
You are equivocating your position now.
What you said previously is that the Church considers women "unequal in the eyes of God."
Ah, the key word chooses. No one is forcing her. She voluntarily has chosen a path for herself
just like, I don't need science to prove my faith. I have sufficient evidence to take what is unproven and unprovable on faith.
False. I didn't equivocate.
The Church has no authority to make women priests. The only reasonable assumption to make regarding this lack of authority is that GOD does not want women to be priests.
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Bully for you.