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Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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digsbe said:
This is one reason why I am a non-Catholic Christian. I think they have a lot of messed up ideology (no offense to Catholics).
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What are you? A Baptist?
 
Hatuey said:
Interesting. You have a pastor?
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Yes, but I form my beliefs for myself based on the Bible. I listen to others and take their beliefs to heart, but ultimately I form my beliefs and I don't let a certain sect of Christianity do that for me.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Well, without getting too theological, a non-sacramental marriage can be annulled by a bishop and a sacramental marriage cannot.
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Why would they make a distinction?
 
This picking and choosing of parts of the bible to follow continue to confuse me.
 
Guy,

To your fist point, wouldn't it be considered against the law however to discriminate against someone based on gender for a job. Plus the fact the Vatican has done more damage to woman in religion for example Mary Magdalene was not just a prostitute that had been saved by Jesus which the Catholics church claim her to be one. However she would be considered an Apostle, and possible wife of Jesus today, if the Catholics had not demonized her so badly. So do you see my point in why I think these woman wouldn't be allowed back in?

I agree with your point about the sin matter thought however much I find it kind of stupid that they would consider it a sin.
 
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A Woman’s Place Is in the Church
The cause of the Catholic clergy's sex-abuse scandal is no mystery: insular groups of men often do bad things. durrr.
Catholics: Time to Break Up the All-Male Club - Newsweek​
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Incoming memo from the Vatican: Jesus, pls tell your mother to stfu.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:
To your fist point, wouldn't it be considered against the law however to discriminate against someone based on gender for a job. Plus the fact the Vatican has done more damage to woman in religion for example Mary Magdalene was not just a prostitute that had been saved by Jesus which the Catholics church claim her to be one. However she would be considered an Apostle today, if the Catholics had demonized her so badly in the bible. So do you see my point in why I thin these woman wouldn't be allowed back in?
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I have to confess I don't see your point. First of all, what we are talking about is a private church, rather than a typical employer. Title VII of the Civil Rights act specifically exempts religious organizations. You are right that if we were talking about a private company it would be different, but we aren't talking about a private company.

Secondly, your point about misogyny in the Catholic Church is well heard, but you are mistaken to assume that it would result in the illicitly ordained women or priests who perform such illicit ordinations being refused back in the Church, provided they repented of their actions. The Church is very mechanical in this way, and no sincerely penitent excommunicant will be refused, however grave the offense that led to the excommunication. However, delicta graviora can lead to the permanent defrocking of a priest.

RyrineaHaruno said:
I agree with your point about the sin matter thought however much I find it kind of stupid that they would consider it a sin.
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I don't disagree with you. But keep in mind I have not been talking about what the Church should do but what they actually are doing. If I were Pope I'd be running the Church very differently, but that's neither here nor there.
 
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independent_thinker2002 said:
Why would they make a distinction?
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What is this CCD class? It's theological. A sacramental marriage is between two baptized Catholics. It is a marriage that literally takes place through Christ, so it cannot be undone by any act of man. A nonsacramental marriage is any other kind of marriage, between a Catholic and a non-Catholic and technically including a marriage two non-Catholics as well. It is considered to be a valid marriage, but since it is not through Christ it is not permanent in the theological sense, so it can be undone. A sacramental marriage that has not yet been consummated can also be annulled by a bishop by the same principle.
 
Redress said:
While I am not defending the church here, except to say they really can do things like this if they want as long as it is kept within the church(kinda like Sharia law), but this leaped out at me:

Any one else see a problem here?
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Redress. How is this like Sharia Law in any way other than being a law within the church?
 
Redress said:
That would be how it is like Sharia law.
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Thats the equivalent of saying we are alike because we are both human.

Come on Redress. That doesn't come close to passing the smell test.
 
texmaster said:
Thats the equivalent of saying we are alike because we are both human.

Come on Redress. That doesn't come close to passing the smell test.
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And you're not really passing the coherence test. Redress made the simple point that both Catholic canon law and Shari'a law are applicable, when applied within their respective religions are only the business of the members of those religions. Canon law and Shari'a are analogous in this way.
 
texmaster said:
Thats the equivalent of saying we are alike because we are both human.

Come on Redress. That doesn't come close to passing the smell test.
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They're both sets of religious laws that can be followed as long as they remain within the bounds of the laws of the nation. Don't let your kneejerk distaste for all things Muslim blind you to simple comparisons.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse | World news | The Guardian

The Catholics are in the news again as the make it a sin woman who is ordinate. The woman who have been ordinate will be excommunicated, and not allowed back because the Vatican has made it a grave crime on Par with child abuse. :roll:
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lol

The guardian UK is anti-Israel, anti-semitism, anti-vatican, anti-catholic...

It is the bait for articles which are profoundly anti-Catholic and at the same time selling atheism, but please continue :cool:
 
ric27 said:
lol

The guardian UK is anti-Israel, anti-semitism, anti-vatican, anti-catholic...

It is the bait for articles which are profoundly anti-Catholic and at the same time selling atheism, but please continue :cool:
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I don't particularly like what the article is saying but even I recognize this as an ad hominem fallacy. If you aren't going to bother to address the merits of an argument, why respond at all?
 
texmaster said:
Thats the equivalent of saying we are alike because we are both human.

Come on Redress. That doesn't come close to passing the smell test.
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Both care denominational laws based on religion. It's a clear similarity. Are there differences? Of course, I never suggested otherwise, but there are also similarities.
 
ric27 said:
lol

The guardian UK is anti-Israel, anti-semitism, anti-vatican, anti-catholic...

It is the bait for articles which are profoundly anti-Catholic and at the same time selling atheism, but please continue :cool:
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Anti-Semitism? Really? You can document that?
 
I have never understood the fierce insistence with which people cling to churches whose beliefs they disagree with. If you think Catholic doctrine is morally disagreeable, why in the Hell are you still Catholic?
 
And that's why I'm not a Catholic. . . or a religious person for that matter.
Religion does NOT favor women - at all - ever.
 
I have to confess I don't see your point. First of all, what we are talking about is a private church, rather than a typical employer. Title VII of the Civil Rights act specifically exempts religious organizations. You are right that if we were talking about a private company it would be different, but we aren't talking about a private company.
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Guy,


These woman according to the Vatican are sinners in the highest regard, and to contain that they will be let back so easily is laughable. Heck my whole family on my Mothers side is Catholic, so I have inside knowledge on the workings of the Catholic Church. These things do take years to resolve, and they have to be approved by the church then, and only then are they allowed back in.

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To my latter point about Mary being the reason woman are demonized in Christianity is because she was the mother of Jesus Child. I'm not saying everything in the Dinvi CI Code is true I just think some of the things like Jesus having a Child with Mary is true.

Gnostic writings say this to be true, and these are the earliest know writings to date about the life of Jesus which are dated to the 2nd century.


This is why I don't believe they will back in, so easily
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And that's why I'm not a Catholic. . . or a religious person for that matter.
Religion does NOT favor women - at all - ever.
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From what I've seen, plenty of Christian sects are actually fairly decent. Most forms of modern paganism are downright slanted in favor of the womenfolk.
 
I can't say I particularly care what the Catholic Church decides on this issue. I see this as a topic to be debated for Catholics only as it only affects them.
 
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