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Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

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Those people are in jail taking items or life they feel they are entitled to.

Sounds like your guys to me.

Right. Conservatives never commit crimes.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Right. Conservatives never commit crimes.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Show me where I said Conservatives never commit crimes.

Up to your own failed tricks I see
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Show me where I said Conservatives never commit crimes.

Up to your own failed tricks I see

You suggested that less than 10% of crimes are committed by conservatives.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Show me where I said Conservatives never commit crimes.

Up to your own failed tricks I see

Oh, riiiight. You have trapped me by implying that 90% of all criminals are liberals and I foolishly taken your argument to its extreme to make a point. Oh, you are so clever! And the way you avoid the real issue! Why, you truly are a Republican, sir.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Besides, this "watchdog group" didn't bother to verify felons voting in conservative districts, they only went with the Minneapolis area because they knew it was more liberal. Bias much?

Tell me, why have Democrats pushed hard for felons to vote? Because they slant heavily left.

You should have quit while you had made a decent point. If you were on the witness stand in court and kept blabbing (the paragraph quoted above), your lawyer would be projectile vomiting about the place. you gotta know when to hold'em... know when to fold'em...

Deuce,... if you were doing research to illustrate voter fraud in a tight election, where would you go? To a law abiding conservative district filled with retirees and families, or to a district that's has more felons, higher criminality and leans Democrat?

They proved their point. I do wish they should examine all votes from all districts, and reveal the totality of the fraud perpetrated upon the state and nation.

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Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Tell me, why have Democrats pushed hard for felons to vote? Because they slant heavily left.

You should have quit while you had made a decent point. If you were on the witness stand in court and kept blabbing (the paragraph quoted above), your lawyer would be projectile vomiting about the place. you gotta know when to hold'em... know when to fold'em...

Deuce,... if you were doing research to illustrate voter fraud in a tight election, where would you go? To a law abiding conservative district filled with retirees and families, or to a district that's has more felons, higher criminality and leans Democrat?

They proved their point. I do wish they should examine all votes from all districts, and reveal the totality of the fraud perpetrated upon the state and nation.

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perhaps once they have paid their debt to society their rights should be restored. odd concept, yes?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Phfft. What are you smoking. </sarcasm>

And more importantly, why aren't you sharing?

perhaps once they have paid their debt to society their rights should be restored. odd concept, yes?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

If they're not, then why should we pay any attention to it? Doing a study to prove what you already believe is the opposite way of finding out the truth.

And if they are, why should we believe them?

When an independent voter group or an unbiased media source does a similar study, then I'd pay attention to it.

The motive is irrelevant - it's the evidence that either stands on it's own or does not. You don't believe them because they are not impartial --- news flash, there's no such thing in politics. :roll:
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Tell me, why have Democrats pushed hard for felons to vote? Because they slant heavily left.

You should have quit while you had made a decent point. If you were on the witness stand in court and kept blabbing (the paragraph quoted above), your lawyer would be projectile vomiting about the place. you gotta know when to hold'em... know when to fold'em...

Deuce,... if you were doing research to illustrate voter fraud in a tight election, where would you go? To a law abiding conservative district filled with retirees and families, or to a district that's has more felons, higher criminality and leans Democrat?

They proved their point. I do wish they should examine all votes from all districts, and reveal the totality of the fraud perpetrated upon the state and nation.

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Again with the straw man? Really?
Did anybody suggest anwhere that illegal voting shouldn't be investigated?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

perhaps once they have paid their debt to society their rights should be restored. odd concept, yes?
No vote once you get out of prison.

Perhaps after a decade or more of living a life free of crime, and having had time to assimilate to society, and then not all felons. You may have served your time, but have not proven you can be a productive, civil member of society.

A second felony charge would disqualify said felon for life... the current status-quo.

Again with the straw man? Really?
Did anybody suggest anwhere that illegal voting shouldn't be investigated?
You complained the folks narrowed their search, going to a know Lib district.
Have you forgotten? Let me refresh your memory... see your words below.

Besides, this "watchdog group" didn't bother to verify felons voting in conservative districts, they only went with the Minneapolis area because they knew it was more liberal. Bias much?
Blinded by bias much? :)

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Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

No vote once you get out of prison.

Perhaps after a decade or more of living a life free of crime, and having had time to assimilate to society, and then not all felons. A second felony charge would disqualify said felon for life... the current status-quo.


You complained the folks narrowed their search, going to a know Lib district.
Have you forgotten? Let me refresh your memory... see your words below.

... yes, I was complaining that their investigation wasn't thorough enough. Somehow you took that to mean I think it shouldn't be investigated at all. ****ing amazing.

Me: "I think it's too hot outside."
You: "You think it should be hotter?"
 
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Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

After briefly reviewing both links - it seems there's enough prima facie evidence to at least investigate. If the evidence is strong, it should be enough to open up a lawsuit.

I basically agree with this. It's hard to make this a partisan thing, when the group first brought the issue up prior to the election. Further, their motives are irrelevant if the charges are accurate. I don't see a lawsuit, but I do think an investigation into whether the number of voter irregularities is outside the norm(there always are some voter irregularities) and what can be done to reduce voter irregularities.

Franken is still going to be Senator, and should be. He won not because of any voter fraud or whatever, but because he had enough votes at the end of the recount process. I will say the same thing I said about Gore in 2000...he has no room to complain because if he wanted to win, he should have done enough work to win by a clear margin. Once it goes to recounts and courts, anything can happen, and you just have to accept the outcome.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

I basically agree with this. It's hard to make this a partisan thing, when the group first brought the issue up prior to the election. Further, their motives are irrelevant if the charges are accurate. I don't see a lawsuit, but I do think an investigation into whether the number of voter irregularities is outside the norm(there always are some voter irregularities) and what can be done to reduce voter irregularities.

Franken is still going to be Senator, and should be. He won not because of any voter fraud or whatever, but because he had enough votes at the end of the recount process. I will say the same thing I said about Gore in 2000...he has no room to complain because if he wanted to win, he should have done enough work to win by a clear margin. Once it goes to recounts and courts, anything can happen, and you just have to accept the outcome.
Quoted for truth.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

After briefly reviewing both links - it seems there's enough prima facie evidence to at least investigate. If the evidence is strong, it should be enough to open up a lawsuit.

They did bring their laundry list of voter irregularities to the Minnesota Supreme Court--they lost. Jeff Davis « Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.

Also, Minnesota Majority stated that the Prosecutors Office in both counties investigated and did bring charges against a handful of the names, but not that many although they admitted that it may be due to an inadequate resources in both offices or feet dragging. Somewhere (it may be on MM website), they had a list of names of people prosecuted.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

I basically agree with this. It's hard to make this a partisan thing, when the group first brought the issue up prior to the election. Further, their motives are irrelevant if the charges are accurate. I don't see a lawsuit, but I do think an investigation into whether the number of voter irregularities is outside the norm(there always are some voter irregularities) and what can be done to reduce voter irregularities.

Franken is still going to be Senator, and should be. He won not because of any voter fraud or whatever, but because he had enough votes at the end of the recount process. I will say the same thing I said about Gore in 2000...he has no room to complain because if he wanted to win, he should have done enough work to win by a clear margin. Once it goes to recounts and courts, anything can happen, and you just have to accept the outcome.

Well, its more partisan than it looks as the Secretary of State's office is responsible for controlling vote fraud. The leader of MM was originally the former republican sec of state who was defeated by the current democratic sec of state.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Of course, you can prove that felons and illegal immigrants vote more than 90% Democrat, can't you?

Yes, because there are numerous studies on the voting habits of people who aren't allowed to vote. Exit polls, too. /sarcasm.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

They did bring their laundry list of voter irregularities to the Minnesota Supreme Court--they lost. Jeff Davis « Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.

Also, Minnesota Majority stated that the Prosecutors Office in both counties investigated and did bring charges against a handful of the names, but not that many although they admitted that it may be due to an inadequate resources in both offices or feet dragging. Somewhere (it may be on MM website), they had a list of names of people prosecuted.

So what's the moral of the story?

Cheat and play dirty - even illegally and get your guy elected. It took 18 months with only a few prosecutions of unknown people. Sounds like a political win at the cost of undermining our entire system. Yay for us.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

So what's the moral of the story?

Cheat and play dirty - even illegally and get your guy elected. It took 18 months with only a few prosecutions of unknown people. Sounds like a political win at the cost of undermining our entire system. Yay for us.

You're projecting what you want to see here. MM and the Republican reps lost the Supreme Court case (against the current Democratic Secretary of State) because they were unable to prove any of their numerous charges. They turned their felony list over and the prosecutors in the counties were only able to prosecute a handful. Why? In their own study, the MM said that they used a list of people who were accused of felonies. That doesn't mean they turned over a list of people who had been found guilty of felonies. And they may have NOT BEEN CONVICTED by the time the election occurred meaning they were not guilty of voting illegally. Read the actual report. Its only seven pages. They explain some of the problems and how they are unsure of some of the info. Maybe that is why they only compiled a list for two counties.

And no, they haven't had 18 months to investigate their list.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Much as I dislike the Democratic senator, are you suggesting that he personally located sufficient number of felons and then persuaded them to go and vote for him?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Much as I dislike the Democratic senator, are you suggesting that he personally located sufficient number of felons and then persuaded them to go and vote for him?


Nope, that would be the party....Ever been to the streets of Baltimore on any given election day? The vans appear, and everything from breakfast, to a quick $20, what they call walkin money, can be had if you let them take you to the polls. wink, wink.....


j-mac
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Nope, that would be the party....Ever been to the streets of Baltimore on any given election day? The vans appear, and everything from breakfast, to a quick $20, what they call walkin money, can be had if you let them take you to the polls. wink, wink.....

j-mac


And that would be just the Democrats doing that, would it? Besides, is Baltimore in Minnesota these days?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

And that would be just the Democrats doing that, would it? Besides, is Baltimore in Minnesota these days?

Note also that it never occurs to these guys that conservatives may have been the ones driving these theoretical Baltimore, MN vans.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

And that would be just the Democrats doing that, would it? Besides, is Baltimore in Minnesota these days?


In Balto city? Hell yes! Conservatives don't have to bribe their voters, they win on ideas.....


j-mac
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Note also that it never occurs to these guys that conservatives may have been the ones driving these theoretical Baltimore, MN vans.


Yeah right! Ha! You've done a bit of projecting here. I assure you from my 20 years in the Balto region, it was not Republicans bribing the inner city. In fact that is just laughable.


j-mac
 
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