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Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

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danarhea said:
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I'm a bad boy. :mrgreen:
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I'm sure you're aware that the photo is as fake as the Sarah Palin one in a bikini.
 
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Groucho said:
Ooh, a study done by a "conservative watchdog group" with an agenda. What a shock.
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Yes, they're are really not objective. You can't have them paying for campaigns against Obamacare and writing "objective" studies about voting irregularitities. A quick look at the website will tell you much.

Minnesota Majority - Standing Together for Traditional Values
 
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Ockham said:
Are they claiming to be objective or impartial in this study?
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If they're not, then why should we pay any attention to it? Doing a study to prove what you already believe is the opposite way of finding out the truth.

And if they are, why should we believe them?

When an independent voter group or an unbiased media source does a similar study, then I'd pay attention to it.
 
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Ockham said:
Are they claiming to be objective or impartial in this study?
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I think saying that you are a "watchdog" group is different than admitting that you are a political operative of the GOP. So yes, they are and they are not.
 
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ads1981 said:
Good to see AC take a dive.

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Good god watching her try to justify that outright lie as "paraphrasing" is utterly hysterical. Also infuriating.

Edit: Although a few years old now, "Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them" is a great read.
 
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She sure is a sarcastic, angry little thing. Like a wasp.

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Deuce said:
Good god watching her try to justify that outright lie as "paraphrasing" is utterly hysterical. Also infuriating.
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Didn't we go about a year figuring this out? And now they come up with this? Too late now.
 
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Groucho said:
Ooh, a study done by a "conservative watchdog group" with an agenda. What a shock.
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It is not exactly a fair complaint here considering many "liberal watchdog" groups have done the exact same thing after elections. I'm not dismissing the heart of the complaint, just saying that there are sore losers and you must be fair and call out the other groups from 2000, 2004, etc. then there was the silence in '06(I think?) when the exact same type of election challenge happened in Washington. Just saying things need to be considered in a level playing field.
 
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Groucho said:
If they're not, then why should we pay any attention to it? Doing a study to prove what you already believe is the opposite way of finding out the truth.

And if they are, why should we believe them?

When an independent voter group or an unbiased media source does a similar study, then I'd pay attention to it.
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There may be a bias, but from what I've seen about it most of the arguments from the left that I've seen here were addressed in the initial report, that of not being certain on the vote breakdown being the biggest one. The point is either way the felons voted they weren't supposed to vote.
 
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Deuce said:
341 convicted felon votes, 312 being the difference in the election. To be the deciding factor, the felons would have had to break like 90% towards Franken. When was the last time any demographic broke that hard in a Senate race?
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90% of blacks vote for the Leftists, and my bet is 90% of felons vote that way too. I say vote... because it seems they have swung an election.

It's why Democrats have been pushing to allow felons to vote. It would be another reliable bloc of dimwits for them.

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zimmer said:
90% of blacks vote for the Leftists, and my bet is 90% of felons vote that way too. I say vote... because it seems they have swung an election.

It's why Democrats have been pushing to allow felons to vote. It would be another reliable bloc of dimwits for them.

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So what you're saying is that 90% of felonies are committed by liberals. Or that prison magically converts people to liberalism.

Evidence, please.

This is just conservatives desperately grasping at straws so they can tell themselves that their guy didn't get beaten by a comedian.

Besides, this "watchdog group" didn't bother to verify felons voting in conservative districts, they only went with the Minneapolis area because they knew it was more liberal. Bias much?
 
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Deuce said:
So what you're saying is that 90% of felonies are committed by liberals. Or that prison magically converts people to liberalism.

Evidence, please.

This is just conservatives desperately grasping at straws so they can tell themselves that their guy didn't get beaten by a comedian.

Besides, this "watchdog group" didn't bother to verify felons voting in conservative districts, they only went with the Minneapolis area because they knew it was more liberal. Bias much?
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Again, you are missing the point. The point is that people voted who should not been allowed to vote in the first place. The point is that votes counted that should not have been counted. It doesn't matter who they voted for, it matters that the integrity of the election is shot. Since you have yet to address this point, the point of the story, will you continue to divert, will you finally address the point or will you simply drop out of this thread?
 
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Hugh_Akston said:
Again, you are missing the point. The point is that people voted who should not been allowed to vote in the first place. The point is that votes counted that should not have been counted. It doesn't matter who they voted for, it matters that the integrity of the election is shot. Since you have yet to address this point, the point of the story, will you continue to divert, will you finally address the point or will you simply drop out of this thread?
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I'm responding to people who suggest that the felons voting changed the outcome of the election. It didn't. Nobody is suggesting that illegal voting is OK or that it shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Will you drop this straw man or will you drop out of this thread?

Are you suggesting that every candidate that ever received a single fraudulent vote was elected improperly? Do you think there has ever been in history a president who didn't receive at least one fraudulent vote?

Are you also aware that felons can vote in Minnesota once their sentence and probation end? Not all of these records are public, some of the names that this watchdog group came up with are people who actually are eligible to vote.
 
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They really seem determined to ignore that bit, much as they don't wish to see the Newsweek article praising Senator Franken, or how good he is at defusing crowds, using the facts of the matter.

Deuce said:


Are you also aware that felons can vote in Minnesota once their sentence and probation end? Not all of these records are public, some of the names that this watchdog group came up with are people who actually are eligible to vote.
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Deuce said:
I'm responding to people who suggest that the felons voting changed the outcome of the election. It didn't. Nobody is suggesting that illegal voting is OK or that it shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Will you drop this straw man or will you drop out of this thread?

Are you suggesting that every candidate that ever received a single fraudulent vote was elected improperly? Do you think there has ever been in history a president who didn't receive at least one fraudulent vote?

Are you also aware that felons can vote in Minnesota once their sentence and probation end? Not all of these records are public, some of the names that this watchdog group came up with are people who actually are eligible to vote.
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The felons voting very well may have changed the outcome, we don't know - including you. And voter fraud is not a straw man. As this story has proven, it's anything but a straw man, it's very real.

I am well aware of the voting laws in MN. This story proved that those who did not yet regain their right to vote actually voted and their votes were counted. This is the crux of the issue. Those of you on both sides who are claiming that it would or wouldn't have changed the election are talking out of your asses because no one knows. If you can show me where I've said that any candidate that has received a single fraudulent vote was elected improperly, I'll give you a cookie. But since I've stated no such thing and you are trying to put words in my mouth, I'll chalk it up to more diversion from you.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-FYyuvrRk
Franken draws all 50 states from memory. Although his Alaska looks a bit off.

YouTube - Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) humbles Hudson Institute dilettante over health care bankruptcies
Verbally bitchslaps a Hudson Institute lady during health care debates, the topic was medical bankruptcies and people were trying to say HCR would increase them.

Glad to have this guy in the mix for me.
 
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Deuce said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-FYyuvrRk
Franken draws all 50 states from memory. Although his Alaska looks a bit off.

YouTube - Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) humbles Hudson Institute dilettante over health care bankruptcies
Verbally bitchslaps a Hudson Institute lady during health care debates, the topic was medical bankruptcies and people were trying to say HCR would increase them.

Glad to have this guy in the mix for me.
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What does this have to do with this story? Ahh, more diversion - got it. :roll:
 
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Groucho said:
I'm sure you're aware that the photo is as fake as the Sarah Palin one in a bikini.
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Actually, it is very real. It's from a SNL skit. Guess you don't watch SNL much, do you? LOL.
 
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Hugh_Akston said:
The felons voting very well may have changed the outcome, we don't know - including you. And voter fraud is not a straw man. As this story has proven, it's anything but a straw man, it's very real.

I am well aware of the voting laws in MN. This story proved that those who did not yet regain their right to vote actually voted and their votes were counted. This is the crux of the issue. Those of you on both sides who are claiming that it would or wouldn't have changed the election are talking out of your asses because no one knows. If you can show me where I've said that any candidate that has received a single fraudulent vote was elected improperly, I'll give you a cookie. But since I've stated no such thing and you are trying to put words in my mouth, I'll chalk it up to more diversion from you.
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I am confident aliens are not responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, despite lacking proof of this. The liklihood of felon voters breaking that hard towards a democratic candidate is extraordinarily low. It is not beholden to me to disprove your wildly unlikely scenarios. It is just as likely that 90% of those felons voted for Coleman.

Those videos were following another line of conversation in this thread that you personally did not participate in. I apologize for wandering off of your personal agenda.
 
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Deuce said:
I am confident aliens are not responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, despite lacking proof of this. The liklihood of felon voters breaking that hard towards a democratic candidate is extraordinarily low. It is not beholden to me to disprove your wildly unlikely scenarios. It is just as likely that 90% of those felons voted for Coleman.

Those videos were following another line of conversation in this thread that you personally did not participate in. I apologize for wandering off of your personal agenda.
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FOXNews.com - Guess What, Felons Favor Democrats


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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
FOXNews.com - Guess What, Felons Favor Democrats


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His sample size is 102 people in a single state and he still falls well short of the 90% mark. I bet if you ran the same poll in Alabama you'd get a pretty different number.

"It becomes even more certain Franken obtained his seat from felons voting for him." Hilarious.

The other study's numbers are not cited. Hell, they don't even call it a study, but rather "academic work" that "estimates."
 
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danarhea said:
Actually, it is very real. It's from a SNL skit. Guess you don't watch SNL much, do you? LOL.
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Um, no it isn't. Conservatives say that but no one can ever point to the skit, show a video of it, or a picture from it. You believe everything you read on the internet? It's a phoney. The Ohio Republicans who faked it got caught, and got fired.

Here's an article proving it's a hoax: Drudge smears "joker" Franken with doctored photo | Media Matters for America

Here's another: The 15 Most Shameless Fake Photos Ever Passed Off as Real | Cracked.com

Man! Are you gullible.
 
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Deuce said:
So what you're saying is that 90% of felonies are committed by liberals. Or that prison magically converts people to liberalism.

Evidence, please.
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Those people are in jail taking items or life they feel they are entitled to.

Sounds like your guys to me.
 
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