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Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

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Nah, not going to do your research for you and I'm convinced it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to you guys in the slightest. You got what you wanted and you don't care how you got it.

I should point out that unlike you folks, I am NOT an anonymous guy on the internet; I am a practicing attorney, have taught Constitutional law, and while you may disagree with my analysis, I at least know what I'm talking about.

You are a fraud if you think we are going to accept your word on the subject without proof. But don't worry, it does not shock me for a second you refuse to provide any proof to back up your theories.

Its funny how you berate people on the internet who post but we are supposed to trust you when you claim you are a lawyer.

Ah hypocrisy. Perhaps you are a lawyer after all.
 
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What a nice man you are. Apparently unable to debate without calling your opponent a liar and claiming that it's BS. Duly reported.

Wonder why no one wants to play with you nicely?

I have no idea who you are (and my links are at the bottom of every post) but let's assume for the sake of argument that you're a doctor, having spent many years in school. Imagine this conversation:

YOU: To treat this disease, I advise you to take this medicine.

ME: Ha! What do you know? I believe that using Bert's Beeswax will work just as good, and I heard some other people say that as well.

YOU: No, I know what I am talking about, and I think you'll find that a majority of doctors agree with me.

ME: Oh yeah? Then I demand that you prove it this instant. And if you won't, then obviously I am right even though I have presented absolutely no evidence to support my view.

Now, would you put up with this crap or would you just walk away, shaking your head?
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Cease the personal attacks.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

MMmm hmm. Wonder if you'd say the same thing if they decided Gore won.
If he was ahead in the initial count and the legal recounts then yes, I would.

You realize it was a STATE law that the Supreme Court ruled on?
Who else was going to take it. States cannot violate their own laws, and certainly can't change them during an election.
Oh, that's right, conservatives only care about state's rights when it gives them the result they want.
Oh how wrong you
are.
The vast majority of all Constitutional scholars, lawyers and judges will tell you it's a bad decision.
Such as?
That obviously includes many conservatives.
Such as?
Forgive me if I pay attention to experts in the field as opposed to some anonymous guy on the internet.
Who? Link? Care to expand?
 
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Nah, not going to do your research for you and I'm convinced it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to you guys in the slightest. You got what you wanted and you don't care how you got it.

I should point out that unlike you folks, I am NOT an anonymous guy on the internet; I am a practicing attorney, have taught Constitutional law, and while you may disagree with my analysis, I at least know what I'm talking about.
Well, forgive us sir if you restate over and over that experts mainly agree with you and we ask you for some examples and writings.
 
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Well, forgive us sir if you restate over and over that experts mainly agree with you and we ask you for some examples and writings.

Then let me turn it around for you: I challenge you to find many articles from conservative legal scholars that support this decision.

There are plenty from liberal and apolitical scholars. You can ignore the liberals ones if you want, but there are plenty of learned treatises discussing how poor the decisions was legally.

And then you'll find some prominent conservatives who have argued against it, as well.

But you're not going to find many legal scholars at all who defend it. Even in the conservative reviews and papers like the Wall Street Journal, there's very little. Seems like a case that important would get all sorts of articles, wouldn't it?

The few you will find represent a small minority (as I stated) and most are obviously political in nature (as are a percentage of the liberal views of course).
 
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Then let me turn it around for you: I challenge you to find many articles from conservative legal scholars that support this decision.
Oh no. You personally made the statement that most legal/constitutional experts agreed with your take on this decision, I did not. You provide the proof in this assertion or you may drop it.

There are plenty from liberal and apolitical scholars. You can ignore the liberals ones if you want, but there are plenty of learned treatises discussing how poor the decisions was legally.
Ah, so provide the names and link to their words if you please.

And then you'll find some prominent conservatives who have argued against it, as well.
Who?

But you're not going to find many legal scholars at all who defend it. Even in the conservative reviews and papers like the Wall Street Journal, there's very little. Seems like a case that important would get all sorts of articles, wouldn't it?
Still waiting on names and writings.

The few you will find represent a small minority (as I stated) and most are obviously political in nature (as are a percentage of the liberal views of course).
Ah, so you're not going to be providing those names then...........?
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Oh no. You personally made the statement that most legal/constitutional experts agreed with your take on this decision, I did not. You provide the proof in this assertion or you may drop it.

Ah, so provide the names and link to their words if you please.

Who?

Still waiting on names and writings.

Ah, so you're not going to be providing those names then...........?

Just do a google search, will ya? There's hundreds.

Jesus, this is like saying "Many people consider the Beatles good music" and having someone say "Oh yeah? Since you didn't source anything, I will then conclude the exact opposite."
 
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Just do a google search, will ya? There's hundreds.

Jesus, this is like saying "Many people consider the Beatles good music" and having someone say "Oh yeah? Since you didn't source anything, I will then conclude the exact opposite."

"I don't have any evidence to support what I'm saying and want you to find it for me."
 
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"I don't have any evidence to support what I'm saying and want you to find it for me."

"I get paid $150 an hour to do research for people and I don't feel like doing it to satisfy someone who has shown that evidence wouldn't matter anyway."
 
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Sir, you seem to be having difficulty discerning the difference between making a claim that would be difficult to substantiate, i.e. "Barry's crack dealer was white", and one that could easily be ascertained by a short tiptoe over to Google.

"I don't have any evidence to support what I'm saying and want you to find it for me."
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Just do a google search, will ya? There's hundreds.

Jesus, this is like saying "Many people consider the Beatles good music" and having someone say "Oh yeah? Since you didn't source anything, I will then conclude the exact opposite."
SO GIVE ME ONE! It's your point, not mine.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

I once read that LaMidRighter thinks the earth revolves around the sun.

Since he never produced any evidence, I will assume he is wrong and lying and that the exact opposite is true.

Oh, I suppose I could look it up myself in a few seconds, but why bother? I'd rather hold my belief without having any evidence to support it.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

I once read that LaMidRighter thinks the earth revolves around the sun.

Since he never produced any evidence, I will assume he is wrong and lying and that the exact opposite is true.

Oh, I suppose I could look it up myself in a few seconds, but why bother? I'd rather hold my belief without having any evidence to support it.
It's your claim, back it up.
 
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The same clown that fell asleep during hearings a couple of weeks ago? Stuart Smalley is far more fitting.

People fall asleep watching C-SPAN. Senate hearings are quite boring. What's your point?
 
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People fall asleep watching C-SPAN. Senate hearings are quite boring. What's your point?
British parliment is much more lively, but still you can't excuse falling asleep on the job.
 
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"I get paid $150 an hour to do research for people and I don't feel like doing it to satisfy someone who has shown that evidence wouldn't matter anyway."

I once made the claim that I was the Queen of France. Sadly, no on believed me either. I'm with you, people should do their research and I shouldn't have to carry around any proof that I am in fact royalty. SCREW THE SYSTEM!
 
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Just do a google search, will ya? There's hundreds.

Jesus, this is like saying "Many people consider the Beatles good music" and having someone say "Oh yeah? Since you didn't source anything, I will then conclude the exact opposite."

Do you not understand that when debating you must back up your position with facts? How can someone claiming to be a lawyer not know this?
 
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"I get paid $150 an hour to do research for people and I don't feel like doing it to satisfy someone who has shown that evidence wouldn't matter anyway."

No one cares about your "claims" of what you make. If you aren't going to back your debate points up with facts then why are you here?
 
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The end result is that GWB is what happened when the Supreme Court decided to take matters into its own hands and annoint a President overturning the will of the people.
Hopefully after the disaster of his 8 years, as a country, we've learned our lesson.
 
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The end result is that GWB is what happened when the Supreme Court decided to take matters into its own hands and annoint a President overturning the will of the people.
Hopefully after the disaster of his 8 years, as a country, we've learned our lesson.

Sigh. Still holding onto that falsehood. You lost. Let it go.
 
Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

Sigh. Still holding onto that falsehood. You lost. Let it go.

Ditto for Franken!
And yes, pining over Bush/Gore is silly, and doubly so after Bush's terms are already over. It's not like we can get a do-over.
 
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Sir, you seem to be having difficulty discerning the difference between making a claim that would be difficult to substantiate, i.e. "Barry's crack dealer was white", and one that could easily be ascertained by a short tiptoe over to Google.

Now Beady...are you STILL on about that? After Daisy Duke confirmed the fact that Obama ADMITTED to the drug use I asked you for clarification...what exactly are you on about? Is it whether or not Obama is an admitted drug user or the shock that his dealer was white?
 
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Ditto for Franken!
And yes, pining over Bush/Gore is silly, and doubly so after Bush's terms are already over. It's not like we can get a do-over.
You're right. Al Franken was certified and that is as official as it can get. I won't say anything other than the interest in keeping future elections honest and for either side within the law, if felons cannot vote legally by state law then they cannot vote, I don't know where the distribution would have fallen politically and don't care. In future elections I want all laws upheld and honored as much as we can possibly accomplish.
 
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The 'study' by the conservative group is boooooogus:

Reality much different

In reality, that has not been proven. And the actual number of felons who voted illegally will likely be much lower based on reviews from prosecutors who received Minnesota Majority's lists in the form of spread sheets in February.

"We received about 480 names from Minnesota Majority," Ramsey County's lead prosecutor Phil Carruthers told KARE Wednesday, "About 270 were clearly inaccurate and were rejected right from the get-go."

He said a quick review revealed the names and birthdates didn't match, or that the felons in question were no longer barred from voting.

"They were ruled out usually because they had the wrong identity of a person," Carruthers explained, "Or because the person no longer was on probation, and thus their civil rights had been restored."

There are 30 felons on the group's list that have been charged with election violations in Ramsey County. But prosecutors had already received those names from the county elections office and the Secretary of State's office, according to Carruthers.

"We've charged about 30 cases so far," he said, "About half of them were people who were felons who just registered but did not actually vote. Election workers flagged those names before they could vote, but it's still a felony for a felon to register."

Those who are being charged with two felonies are felons who registered at the polling place on election day and voted, leaving no time for a cross-check with lists of convicts still on probation

"We're going to continue to investigate 180 other complaints but we're not talking about a huge number of actual cases. And of that 30 about half of them were registration only, they didn't actually vote."

Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | Minneapolis and St. Paul | kare11.com
 
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