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Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

I call bull**** to the nth degree. You simply can't declare a bunch of barbaric practices a religion and allow that horse**** behavior to spread for to do so is to deny the very tenants that our society is based upon

Too bad that's not what Islam does. What moronic statement will you make next?
 
What are you advocating here, turning the other cheek?

Turning the other cheek for what? Are these Muslims the ones that blew up the trade center? What exactly are we turning the other cheek for allowing these AMERICAN Muslims to build a religious building like the Christians and other religions do?
 
It amazes me that people think everyone else's religions is "a bunch of barbaric practices" but fail to see that so is their's. You try to act like your religion isn't just as insane. Believing that 2000 year old jewish carpenterr died for you sins and it was planned by a giant bearded all knowing "MAN" who lives in the sky.

WTF are you talking about? The very fact that Islamic women are treated as a domestic animal makes Islam incompatible with American values and ideals.
 
One wrong doesn't make a right either, and building a trophy Mosque on Ground Zero is wrong.

How is it a trophy Mosque when Muslims also died at the World Trade Center?
 
WTF are you talking about? The very fact that Islamic women are treated as a domestic animal makes Islam incompatible with American values and ideals.

Actually it makes that one aspect incompatible with American values and I don't believe it is something which is practiced by all sects of Islam. The Mormon's used to practice polygamy as well (there are sects which still do, but this was more widespread). We didn't throw out all the Muslims, but they had to change the practice before Utah would be admitted into the Republic. Certain practices can change, and any practice that any religion holds which infringes upon the rights of others is one which is not permitted in the US.
 
Wrong again... I used an example..... do I have to link the definition or do you know what that is?
Don't worry, I'll spell it out for you in all its tedious detail.

Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy said:
You commit the straw man fallacy whenever you attribute an easily refuted position to your opponent, one that the opponent wouldn’t endorse, and then proceed to attack the easily refuted position (the straw man) believing you have undermined the opponent’s actual position.

Now, I said:
A mosque would be a fitting tribute to the people who died that day, and it could be beautiful display of solidarity and unity if people would just let it. It's appalling how much hate this is stirring up, talk about "showing your true side," and the people who oppose the mosque are merely exposing their intolerance and xenophobia. What's truly scary is how many people feel that way.

Obviously, I was referring to the mosque in the particular location of ground zero, and the people who oppose the mosque on the basis of its location. I never said anybody opposes mosques in other locations, that may or may not be true, but it is never what I was talking about, and that is very clear on a fair reading. Then you said:

Nobody I know or have read is opposing the Mosque.... they are opposing the location of the Mosque, same as the people that want to build the Mosque would oppose a Catholic church in Mecca.

Nice try for a strawman....

"Nobody I know or have read is opposing the Mosque... they are opposing the location of the mosque." You imply that my argument is that the people I was referring to oppose mosques generally. Far from it, I am only talking about "the mosque" at issue, which people opposed based on its location. Hence, you are making me into a straw man. Come to think of it, since you actually call me a straw man in this post, it sounds like you don't really know what it means, do you?
 
Turning the other cheek for what? Are these Muslims the ones that blew up the trade center? What exactly are we turning the other cheek for allowing these AMERICAN Muslims to build a religious building like the Christians and other religions do?

That's a good point, it's not even rising to the level of turning the other cheek since that implies you were struck first. It's just about not hating a fearing people based on ignorant stereotypes about their religion. We should build a mosque there, it is a wonderful thing to do, it is a fearless thing to do, it is the Christian thing to do, and it is the human thing to do.

Or, we could act like savages who are afraid of others because they look a little different and practice a different religion, which is what the people who oppose this mosque are doing.
 
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Too bad that's not what Islam does. What moronic statement will you make next?

We have codified set of principles that form the framework of our country. We believe that everyone was created equal.

Does Islam believe that a woman has the right to be unaccompanied in public without having to fear being killed? Does Islam believe in the humane treatment?
 
Don't you understand that it is not ****ing possible to be both a Muslim and a British or American as these systems are incompatible at a philosophical level.

Says who? You?
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We have codified set of principles that form the framework of our country. We believe that everyone was created equal.

Does Islam believe that a woman has the right to be unaccompanied in public without having to fear being killed? Does Islam believe in the humane treatment?

Did Christianity at one time? Ever wonder where the tradition of the father giving away the bride came from? But we didn't throw out the whole of the religion. As our societies and governments changed and we began to recognize the base rights shared by everyone, our religions changed to adopt the laws and norms of the society. And I'm still not sure it's the whole of the varying sects of Islam which practice this oppression of women.
 
Does Islam believe that a woman has the right to be unaccompanied in public without having to fear being killed? Does Islam believe in the humane treatment?

A. You are not Muslim
B. You aren't a women.
I love how people try and speak for us Muslim women.

So yes, I walked down my street fine and without fearing how the males in my family would react
Any more lies you wish to get off your chest?
 
Did Christianity at one time? Ever wonder where the tradition of the father giving away the bride came from? But we didn't throw out the whole of the religion. As our societies and governments changed and we began to recognize the base rights shared by everyone, our religions changed to adopt the laws and norms of the society. And I'm still not sure it's the whole of the varying sects of Islam which practice this oppression of women.

Dammit! Look at my sig......Don't go there!
 
Dammit! Look at my sig......Don't go there!

Already there. Because Christianity I'm pretty sure existed with the New Testament. And Christian tradition, such as giving away the bride, is steeped in the tradition that women were property and nothing more. So your sig actually has little to nothing to do with my comment.
 
Dammit! Look at my sig......Don't go there!

Hah!
Christianity attempting to shed its blood filled history by bringing out a Bible Num 2.

We Muslims have too much respect for our holy book to deface it and white wash it ;)
 
A. You are not Muslim
B. You aren't a women.
I love how people try and speak for us Muslim women.

So yes, I walked down my street fine and without fearing how the males in my family would react
Any more lies you wish to get off your chest?

That's fine for you and I'm glad actually. Are you claiming what was said doesn't happen in other parts of the world? To millions of Muslim women?
 
We Muslims have too much respect for our holy book to deface it and white wash it ;)

Good one! If only most Christians had as much respect for the Bible, they might actually read it...
 
That's fine for you and I'm glad actually. Are you claiming what was said doesn't happen in other parts of the world? To millions of Muslim women?

Sure, but are you also saying it is only Muslim women who face domestic abuse?
'Cause I can tell you it is a massive problem in the Western world as well.
 
Sure, but are you also saying it is only Muslim women who face domestic abuse?
'Cause I can tell you it is a massive problem in the Western world as well.

I totally agree Laila. However in the interest of fairness.

Woman in the western world have a better chance at recourse then probably many woman in the Middle East. That's unfortunately sad but true :(
 
I totally agree Laila. However in the interest of fairness.

Woman in the western world have a better chance at recourse then probably many woman in the Middle East. That's unfortunately sad but true :(

No I agree, that is true.
 
Hah!
Christianity attempting to shed its blood filled history by bringing out a Bible Num 2.

We Muslims have too much respect for our holy book to deface it and white wash it ;)

Believe me, if the practice involves something like killing an unbeliever, stoning a woman to death for sitting in a car with a man who is not her husband or relative, etc., then EVERY other Christian denomination is going to stand up and say that this ain't in the Bible and it ain't Christian.

Christianity demands an individual declaration of faith. By simply being the son or daughter of a Christian doesn't make you one. You need to choose that freely yourself. Other religions may not like you walking away, but they aren't going to kill you for it.
 
How come Jews always get ignored in this Christianity/Islam slapfight?
 
How come Jews always get ignored in this Christianity/Islam slapfight?

Well I dunno about the others but I tend to leave Judaism alone when it comes to arguments over history.
Mainly because I can't really criticise Judaism on its history. I think Christians have no leg to stand on criticising Muslims and vice versa whereas Jews ... they are like the odd third child in a family.
I mean sure, its the oldest but it most certainty is not the bloodiest religion. The crown over who has split the most blood in their religions names two main contenders is Islam and Christianity.

But if you want, I can pick on Jews so you don't feel left out :p
 
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Believe me, if the practice involves something like killing an unbeliever, stoning a woman to death for sitting in a car with a man who is not her husband or relative, etc., then EVERY other Christian denomination is going to stand up and say that this ain't in the Bible and it ain't Christian.

Christianity demands an individual declaration of faith. By simply being the son or daughter of a Christian doesn't make you one. You need to choose that freely yourself. Other religions may not like you walking away, but they aren't going to kill you for it.

Do you look in the mirror when you lie to yourself?
Christianity is no more innocent than Islam.
Quit acting like Christianity is some sort of peaceful religion with a history that has never included spilling blood or oppression.
I mean, really.
If I can acknowledge my religions past wars, the least you can do is not lie.

And your lack of knowledge on Islam shines through once again.
Being a Muslim is not passed down through blood. We're not Jews you know.
You have to take the shahada to be a Muslim, the declaration of faith and one cannot be forced into Islam.

LT pick up a Qu'ran and read:
Sura Al-Kafiroon

I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.


Any more lies you wish to spread?
 
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Islam is a relatively young religion (compared to, say Christianity).
Christianity has until recent times had it's well documented share of cruelties to both believers and non believers.
So far as i am aware there is only 1 religion that seeks to actively deter converts.
That religion is neither Christianity nor Islam.
 
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