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Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

Laila said:
It is not my fault. Why should I try and track down terrorists in the ME to please you?

As far as I am concerned, I am doing enough by ensuring that I or anyone within my community do not turn extreme and help the authorities if needed.

Eradicate them? Who died and made me God.
I can't snap my fingers and they all drop dead you know.
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I don't give a **** if you please me. Do it because they bring shame and dishonor upon your religion.

One would think that people are as devout as Muslims, that really disown the terrorists, would have done something about them, by now.
 
apdst said:
I don't give a **** if you please me. Do it because they bring shame and dishonor upon your religion.

One would think that people are as devout as Muslims, that really disown the terrorists, would have done something about them, by now.
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Of course this is just to appease people like you. I am not going to go traipsing off to Middle East

Do what about it hm?
What can I do about something that is happening on the other side of the world?
How do Muslims go about getting rid of terrorists. Something I may add that US has failed in doing, the most powerful military in the world. I can wait all day for your tactics and plans for us to achieve this "mission"
 
Laila said:
Of course this is just to appease people like you. I am not going to go traipsing off to Middle East

Do what about it hm?
What can I do about something that is happening on the other side of the world?

How do Muslims go about getting rid of terrorists. Something I may add that US has failed in doing, the most powerful military in the world. I can wait all day for your tactics and plans for us to achieve this "mission"
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You can do something about it in your own country. Have you even looked around? Muslims in your country are some of the most anti west in Europe.



Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.

The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people.

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."

Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year's Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News


Unless of course you agree with them
 
Laila said:
As far as I am concerned, I am doing enough by ensuring that I or anyone within my community do not turn extreme and help the authorities if needed.
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No one in my community or family has gone extreme or blown anyone up.

Job well done in my view.
I have little to no control over Muslims of other ethnicities or races.
 
Laila said:
No one in my community or family has gone extreme or blown anyone up.

Job well done in my view.
I have little to no control over Muslims of other ethnicities or races.
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Just don't deny it isn't a serious problem in your community or pretend the problem is so far away from you your hands are tied.

Remember this?

What can I do about something that is happening on the other side of the world?
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Its not just on the other side of the world. Its in your own backyard.
 
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texmaster said:
Just don't deny it isn't a serious problem in your community or pretend the problem is so far away from you your hands are tied.

Remember this?

Its not just on the other side of the world. Its in your own backyard.
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Not really, what problem?
Two/Three bombings has occurred in UK committed by Muslims out of UK's long long long history.
Odds are in my favour it is not going to happen again.

What community? Mine?
Do you imagine that somehow Muslims are united in any shape or form? That we are all friends? We dislike each other and we segregate ourselves even during prayer time. By race, sect, culture, ethnicity, tribes, nationality.
So when you say 'my community'. What do you mean?
 
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Laila said:
Not really, what problem?
Two/Three bombings has occurred in UK committed by Muslims out of UK's long long long history.
Odds are in my favour it is not going to happen again.
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Talk about denial. The Muslim population has only skyrocketed in England in the last 30 years so spare the long long history BS.

What community? Mine?
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Your country, yes.

Do you imagine that somehow Muslims are united in any shape or form? That we are all friends? We dislike each other and we segregate ourselves even during prayer time. By race, sect, culture, ethnicity, tribes, nationality.
So when you say 'my community'. What do you mean?
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Actually yes I've seen it first hand and considering the polls I cited, the consensus seems pretty strong.

So please, spare us the "its not in my community" bs. It IS in your community and your country. Not some "far away place"

How do you explain those polls? Oh thats right, you ducked that didn't you?
 
texmaster said:
Talk about denial. The Muslim population has only skyrocketed in England in the last 30 years so spare the long long history BS.

Your country, yes.

Actually yes I've seen it first hand and considering the polls I cited, the consensus seems pretty strong.

So please, spare us the "its not in my community" bs. It IS in your community and your country. Not some "far away place"

How do you explain those polls? Oh thats right, you ducked that didn't you?
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LOL
Talk about stupidity.
How many successful attacks have there been against the British public by Muslim groups.
Out of a 2,000 year history of UK and even further. About 3. Maybe you can argue 5.
Heck the Irish were more of a threat to UK than us Muslims.

Don't tell me what is my community.

I can also use polls:
Large and Growing Numbers of Muslims Reject Terrorism, Bin Laden - World Public Opinion

Terrorism_Jun06_graph3.jpg


Consensus of Muslims?
:lamo :lamo
Consensus?! 1.2 billion people agreeing on one thing?
You have exceeded yourself here. We can't even agree on who takes after our Prophet - Still arguing even after 1,500 years and you think we have a consensus on terrorism? :lol: Talk about deluded

There are lies damned lies and statistics

Unless you have interviewed all 1.2billion of us, your polls means nothing.
 
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Laila said:
No one in my community or family has gone extreme or blown anyone up.

Job well done in my view.
I have little to no control over Muslims of other ethnicities or races.
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I see, "hear no evil, see no evil, do nothing about it".

If that's your attitude, then don't get on me about insisting that Muslims pick up their own trash.
 
Laila said:
What can I do about something that is happening on the other side of the world?
How do Muslims go about getting rid of terrorists. Something I may add that US has failed in doing, the most powerful military in the world. I can wait all day for your tactics and plans for us to achieve this "mission"
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I'll give you a simple guide and you'll take it from there...

The source document of Christianity is the Bible. You have the old and moldy cheesy testament and the new testament.

Fast forward - The NEW testament. Jesus' followers never killed a single person. Nor were they ever told to kill anyone. They were told to preach the Gospel. If it was rejected, they were to leave and go elsewhere. Not to kill unbelievers.

What Islam needs is a NEW testament and a pope.

Problem solved

next
 
Weird so was the new testament written before or after all of western Europe's populations were forced to convert or die?
-Next.
 
apdst said:
I see, "hear no evil, see no evil, do nothing about it".

If that's your attitude, then don't get on me about insisting that Muslims pick up their own trash.
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Why should they when terrorists are radicalized as a result of centuries of foreign occupations of muslim and American foreign policy. The root of the problem isn't theirs.
 
ric27 said:
What Islam needs is a NEW testament and a pope.
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Yes and with a Pope they too can be like the Catholic church and have a leader for all the child molesters to hide behind.

Your suggestion is funny though, that a religion should just magically make a NEW testament. I wonder if that is exactly how the people that wrote the bible did it.
 
SE102 said:
Weird so was the new testament written before or after all of western Europe's populations were forced to convert or die?
-Next.
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How many hundreds of years ago do you have to go back for that?
 
texmaster said:
How many hundreds of years ago do you have to go back for that?
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Yes, but according to ric and you the NEW testament was so called "explained well" yet there was STILL people that abused the religion. Imagine that, people abusing a religion to support their tyrannies, dicatorships, and power. But of course you and ric claim the people that followed Christinity was ABOVE all that with the NEW testament and yet it still happened.

So far neither of you have rebutted my claims that the problem is with tyrannies, dictatorships, and theocracies abusing a religion to keep their power and the fault isn't with the religion, but with the people.

Case closed, you lose.
 
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Laila said:
LOL
Talk about stupidity.
How many successful attacks have there been against the British public by Muslim groups.
Out of a 2,000 year history of UK and even further. About 3. Maybe you can argue 5.
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The stupidity of that statment is truely amazing. As I said which you of course ducked was that the Muslim population has skyrocketed in the past 30 years. 2000 years of history in the UK. LOL Talk about dishonesty.

Heck the Irish were more of a threat to UK than us Muslims.
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BEFORE Muslims came in large numbers yes.

Don't tell me what is my community.
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Truth hurts doesn't it?

I can also use polls:
Large and Growing Numbers of Muslims Reject Terrorism, Bin Laden - World Public Opinion

Consensus of Muslims?
:lamo :lamo
Consensus?! 1.2 billion people agreeing on one thing?
You have exceeded yourself here. We can't even agree on who takes after our Prophet - Still arguing even after 1,500 years and you think we have a consensus on terrorism? :lol: Talk about deluded
Unless you have interviewed all 1.2billion of us, your polls means nothing.
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Oh wow do you need a lesson in basic English but I'll address that in a minute.

Another poll proving my point:

But the Muslim world's support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer's rush-hour bombings of London's metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain's support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.

Islam and Violence

Little hint, consensus does NOT mean 100% agreement! LOL

consensus [kənˈsɛnsəs]
n
general or widespread agreement (esp in the phrase consensus of opinion)

Consensus does not mean 100%! LOL Talk about stupid. Would you please for the love of God pick up a dictionary once in a while before making a complete ass out of yourself yet again?

And while you're at it, try looking up the word majority. Let us know when you've finished your basic english language course :D
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, but according to ric and you the NEW testament was so called "explained well" yet there was STILL people that abused the religion. Imagine that, people abusing a religion to support their tyrannies, dicatorships, and power. But of course you and ric claim the people that followed Christinity was ABOVE all that with the NEW testament and yet it still happened.

So far neither of you have rebutted my claims that the problem is with tyrannies, dictatorships, and theocracies abusing a religion to keep their power and the fault isn't with the religion, but with the people.

Case closed, you lose.
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You lost 2 pages ago when you couldn't prove your assertion that there are all these peace loving Muslims who are against voilence in the name of Islam.

You have ZERO evidence to back that up. Period.

Your excuses of tyrants isn't evidence. Its another one of your worthless theories without factual backing.
 
texmaster said:
But the Muslim world's support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer's rush-hour bombings of London's metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain's support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.
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Text, you do realize that polls are not 100% right correct and that depending on the questions asked, who is asked, where they are asked, they don't always give an accurate view. You seem to think these polls are 100% correct.
 
TheNextEra said:
Text, you do realize that polls are not 100% right correct and that depending on the questions asked, who is asked, where they are asked, they don't always give an accurate view. You seem to think these polls are 100% correct.
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Another pathetic excuse for your inability to support your theories with facts.

But the Muslim world's support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer's rush-hour bombings of London's metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain's support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.

Islam and Violence

Thats evidence. Stop insulting us with your baseless theories and find some fact to support yourself.
 
texmaster said:
You lost 2 pages ago when you couldn't prove your assertion that there are all these peace loving Muslims who are against voilence in the name of Islam.

You have ZERO evidence to back that up. Period.

Your excuses of tyrants isn't evidence. Its another one of your worthless theories without factual backing.
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You haven't proven that they condone violence against non-muslims, so my point has not been refuted. The only way to prove me wronbg is by proving that most muslims condone violence against non-muslims and you don't have any evidence of that.

Sad that there are Msulim haters such as yourself. I look at you much like I look at the KKK, both are full of ignorant hate.
 
texmaster said:
Another pathetic excuse for your inability to support your theories with facts.

But the Muslim world's support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer's rush-hour bombings of London's metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain's support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.

Islam and Violence

Thats evidence. Stop insulting us with your baseless theories and find some fact to support yourself.
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So then you are saying these polls are 100% correct right?

It's really sad that in today's age, there are still hate filled people such as yourself.

Tell me Text, when you poll the over 1 billion Muslims and they condone violence against non-Muslims, I'll believe you. Until then polling 2000 Muslims and then trying to attribute them to the 1 billion is idiotic at best.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes and with a Pope they too can be like the Catholic church and have a leader for all the child molesters to hide behind.
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You are way the **** out of your lane. Discussion of religious relativism ends here. Members of every ethnic group, every religion, every race, every nation, etc. have committed every crime you can think of. What individuals do is one thing. Whether that behavior is condoned, encouraged or condemned by a religion or political entity is entirely different.

Your suggestion is funny though, that a religion should just magically make a NEW testament. I wonder if that is exactly how the people that wrote the bible did it.
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There are a few billion Muslims in the world and perhaps 5 percent of them are radicalized. Just to go through your "thought" process....


If that were true, then one would extrapolate that they would already have contained the issue based on nothing less than a respect for mankind that we're supposed to believe they have, right? However, they've done Jack**** NOTHING to stem their supposed "radicals" who in theory, are bashing the good name of a blue sky peaceful religion that's never had a problem with fighting when they felt like it.

Do YOU still think that an overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't secretly pleased with the course of events? I don't see how they can have it both ways.
 
texmaster said:
You lost 2 pages ago when you couldn't prove your assertion that there are all these peace loving Muslims who are against voilence in the name of Islam.

You have ZERO evidence to back that up. Period.
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Gallup released a book all about it ive linked it in these forums before.

Amazon.com: Who Speaks For Islam?: What a Billion Muslims Really Think (9781595620170): John L. Esposito, Dalia Mogahed: Books

Please give it a read. If you're brave enough to face suicidal shame for the garbage you're spouting.
 
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