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US Justice Department to review BART shooting

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So the racist Justice Department is going to violate double jeopardy and give the cops a second trial, just like they did in the Rodney King case.

Boy, no surprises there.
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The Obama Justice Department is above the Constitution and can do as it pleases. Who is going to stop them? They are in power. Doesn't that give you a warm and fuzzy? It's like living in South Africa under Mandela.
 
Sextuple post! A new record Scarecrow! :)

Anyway, a man was handcuffed and lying face down and GOT SHOT BY POLICE. And conservatives are trying to change the subject. Standard tactic: Talk about absolutely anything except the subject. Try to get Obama involved.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
In one case somebody was killed

The other case somebody held a night stick in a meanacing manner

I know which one I would want the government to spend resources on
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Actually they seem to be talking about the topic.

Said guy was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

This justice department is deciding to investigate after a verdict was reached and seemingly want to subject this man to double jeapordy.

As such the question is "Why"

Deuce said:
Sextuple post! A new record Scarecrow! :)

Anyway, a man was handcuffed and lying face down and GOT SHOT BY POLICE. And conservatives are trying to change the subject. Standard tactic: Talk about absolutely anything except the subject. Try to get Obama involved.
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Zyphlin said:
Actually they seem to be talking about the topic.

Said guy was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

This justice department is deciding to investigate after a verdict was reached and seemingly want to subject this man to double jeapordy.

As such the question is "Why"
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Actually, he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
 
Deuce said:
Sextuple post! A new record Scarecrow! :)

Anyway, a man was handcuffed and lying face down and GOT SHOT BY POLICE. And conservatives are trying to change the subject. Standard tactic: Talk about absolutely anything except the subject. Try to get Obama involved.
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Considering the topic is about the Department of Justice (an executive branch department), Obama is involved.
 
Moon said:
Considering the topic is about the Department of Justice (an executive branch department), Obama is involved.
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Why is Obama's so-called involvement more important than what actually happened? I doubt the president micromanages to this degree.

Why can't conservatives discuss what actually happened? You know, the man who was murdered?
 
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Deuce said:
Sextuple post! A new record Scarecrow! :)

Anyway, a man was handcuffed and lying face down and GOT SHOT BY POLICE. And conservatives are trying to change the subject.
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No.

Just in case you missed it, the cop that shot the prisoner was convicted. That the jury that convicted him had their heads up their asses isn't unusual, bad verdicts happed all the time. Look at the retarded jury in Los Angeles that let OJ Simpson go free.

Since that issue is over and done with to the fullest extent the law allows, it's pointless to harp on it.

The real issue now is the application of double jeopardy by a racist Justice Department that let's black people off the hook when convictions are already in hand.
 
Deuce said:
Why is Obama's so-called involvement more important than what actually happened? I doubt the president micromanages to this degree.

Why can't conservatives discuss what actually happened? You know, the man who was murdered?
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What actually happened is that the shooter was tried and found guilty of a minor charge which was given them as one of the possible options to convict for.

Guess what?

Doesn't matter what the verdict was. The jury could have come out and acquitted him, and that STILL would be the end of the story as far as the law goes.

Now we're discussing the government taking action that's outside the law.

That doesn't bother you any?
 
Deuce said:
Why is Obama's so-called involvement more important than what actually happened? I doubt the president micromanages to this degree.

Why can't conservatives discuss what actually happened? You know, the man who was murdered?
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Because that's not the topic of the thread?

A man was killed and the person who did it stood trial and was found guilty. Now Obama's Justice Department wishes to investigate. I hope that catches you up.
 
Moon said:
Because that's not the topic of the thread?

A man was killed and the person who did it stood trial and was found guilty. Now Obama's Justice Department wishes to investigate. I hope that catches you up.
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If there are additional charges to file, I don't see the problem with that. Any existence of such additional charges would be best discovered by discussing and reviewing the incident, maybe, rather than Obama-related conspiracy theories?
 
Well we all know what really happened.



3 cops held down 1 man and one of them shot him in the back but oh well. C'est la vie. Besides, we all know what happens to cops who go to jail.

Anybody want to take bets on how long it takes for general pop. to get him?
 
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Deuce said:
If there are additional charges to file, I don't see the problem with that. Any existence of such additional charges would be best discovered by discussing and reviewing the incident, maybe, rather than Obama-related conspiracy theories?
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If there are additional charges to be filed, then it's the responsibility of the State of California to bring them.
 
MrVicchio said:
Department of Justice to conduct independent review Mehserle case, may prosecute | abc7news.com

So, because the State didn't find the man guilty as the Obama Admin wanted, they are going to try to make this a Federal Crime now?

I'd say this proves that race trumps all in the Obama Dept. of Justice.
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That is kind of simplistic. In the 1960's, 3 civil rights workers were slain in Mississippi. At the time, 2 of the killers had blown up a black church and got caught. They were sentenced to 10 years in prison by the judge, who then suspended the sentences. And of course we all know about the investigation that wasn't, concerning the murders, don't we. Do you think race trumped all in the Department of Justice then? Fact is, that is one of the reasons the Department of Justice is there. An investigation won't hurt anyone.
 
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danarhea said:
That is kind of simplistic. In the 1960's, 3 civil rights workers were slain in Mississippi. At the time, 2 of the killers had blown up a black church and got caught. They were sentenced to 10 years in prison by the judge, who then suspended the sentences. And of course we all know about the investigation that wasn't, concerning the murders, don't we. Do you think race trumped all in the Department of Justice then? Fact is, that is one of the reasons the Department of Justice is there. An investigation won't hurt anyone.
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Can you point to any similarities between the 1960s case you mentioned and this one? Keep in mind the cop was found guilty by the jury.

Thanks.
 
Moon said:
Can you point to any similarities between the 1960s case you mentioned and this one? Keep in mind the cop was found guilty by the jury.

Thanks.
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I was merely giving a reason why we need Federal oversight on some cases, especially controversial ones. If, in this case, the Department of Justice clears the defendants, then that is all more the reason to say that the system is fair. And, if there is nothing to hide, then why would they be opposed to the investigation in the first place?
 
danarhea said:
And, if there is nothing to hide, then why would they be opposed to the investigation in the first place?
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Sounds like the argument people were making for warrantless, domestic surveillance. I mean, if there's nothing to hide, why be opposed?

Right?
 
danarhea said:
I was merely giving a reason why we need Federal oversight on some cases, especially controversial ones. If, in this case, the Department of Justice clears the defendants, then that is all more the reason to say that the system is fair. And, if there is nothing to hide, then why would they be opposed to the investigation in the first place?
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Because there isn't even a scintilla of evidence that any wrongdoing occurred in the determination of the verdict. The feds are jumping the gun because the Justice Department doesn't like the verdict.
 
Deuce said:
Sextuple post! A new record Scarecrow! :)

Anyway, a man was handcuffed and lying face down and GOT SHOT BY POLICE. And conservatives are trying to change the subject. Standard tactic: Talk about absolutely anything except the subject. Try to get Obama involved.
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Eh? The LEO intended to deploy a Taser instead of deadly force. It's happened many a time before, "mistaken identity" of firearms for Tasers and less-lethal shotguns, with tragic and sometimes deadly results.
 
donc said:
Your right, the right to vote is fundamental. As it was in 2006 in Pima Arizona, where the DOJ declined to bring any charges for voter intimidation when minutemen, one of whom carried a gun were intimidating Latino voters at a polling place while also filming them. :2wave:
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Do you have a link for this, because if this happened, I would agree -- it should have been pursued...
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So the racist Justice Department is going to violate double jeopardy and give the cops a second trial, just like they did in the Rodney King case.

Boy, no surprises there.
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Technically, it isn't double jeopardy... different charges...
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Shouldn't the Justice Department have investigated and prosecuted OJ Simpson for civil rights violations of Ronald Simpson, a Jewish American, and thus a minority?
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Jews and Asians are successful, so they don't count as minorities...
 
Moon said:
If there are additional charges to be filed, then it's the responsibility of the State of California to bring them.
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true, unless there are violations of federal law to be considered....

look, i don't like the hypocrisy either -- this justice department stinks to high heaven, but technically speaking, the charges are not the same so it is not double jeopardy...
 
ludahai said:
true, unless there are violations of federal law to be considered....

look, i don't like the hypocrisy either -- this justice department stinks to high heaven, but technically speaking, the charges are not the same so it is not double jeopardy...
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I haven't said anything about double jeopardy. The bottom line is at this point the feds ahve no rational or justifiable reason to step in. No one has presnted any evidence whatsoever to justify this intrusion by the feds.
 
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