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NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

How dare he use some of the U.S.'s greatest intellects to try and improve our relations with the Muslims...Outrageous, He is so out of touch with America. Us Americans don't want peace with Muslims!
 
The broader point I was trying to make (even though it will certainly rub folks the wrong way) is it took alot of thought and coordination to pull off something like that just as it takes lots of genius to harness the power of the atom. NASA hasn't been a truly "U.S. government" entity as far as space travel/exploration since the last Apollo moon shot, and although I'm all for the agency getting back to their spacefaring roots, the fact of the matter is as long as they see "commercial" space exploration as the future of space flight AND we continue to embrace the idea of multi-internationalism within lower Earth orbit, as well as future inner space missions (i.e., returning and future colonization of the moon, exploration of Mars, etc.), we may as well reach out as far as we can to "peaceful" nations the world over and that may very well include Muslim nations.

But again and I repeat "peaceful Muslim nations" since apparently you missed that part in your reference to the Khmer Rouge. Now, what peaceful Muslim nations could that possibly include?

Saudi Arabia...they've been a U.S. Middle-Eastern ally for years.

Iraq in the not too distant future since they're undergoing regime change compliments of the U.S.

Perhaps Pakistan...maybe, if they can get their act together and become more trust worthy.

Eventually, maybe even Afghanistan once the war is over and U.S./Afghan relations improve.

It's really not a stretch to believe that one day these nations could be brought into the fold of modern-day technology. So, unless we want other nations like China or Russia to broker sweetheart deals with them first, we'd better put our discriminative hate aside and find ways to broker peace...and soon.
 
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apdst said:
Cambodians--the Khmer Rouge--aren't stupid, either. But, do we really want NASA to improve relations with the Khmer Rouge?

if someone suggested that NASA should improve relations with Christians, the Leftists would sound like a coup fulla chickens, "Churchandstate! Churchandstate! Churchandstate!"
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Christian-American relations need mending do they?
 
bicycleman said:
Really? I could join that website and put on anything I like, just change a few words to convey a different meaning. How long do you think it would take for the owners of Wikipedia to discover my little changes? If I can do it, so can everybody else. I once looked up the definition of worker unions and discovered the altered definition of "a bunch of wankers jointed together to make life miserable for management." Yeah, that's real credible alright.
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So go do that? See how long it takes for your edit on Wikipedia to be reverted.

Next, those are books that were quoted in my message (first one is published by MIT). I love how you have absolutely nothing to say in regards to those sources.
 
texmaster said:
Posting links of books is a sure sign you don't have a leg to stand on.

Until you actually have quoted sites that can be scrutinized, don't waste our time.
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ROFL.

Now I can't use books as sources?

Apparently the only source texmaster finds acceptable is FoxNews.com.
 
apdst said:
Cambodians--the Khmer Rouge--aren't stupid, either. But, do we really want NASA to improve relations with the Khmer Rouge?

if someone suggested that NASA should improve relations with Christians, the Leftists would sound like a coup fulla chickens, "Churchandstate! Churchandstate! Churchandstate!"
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I was wondering if someone else would see this as I read through the thread. If the placing of nativity scenes, or praying in schools are a violation of the separation of church and state, using a government agency to reach out to a religion has to also be a violation.... can't have it both ways. :mrgreen:
 
texmaster said:
Please tell me you are joking. The Islamic world simply became the caretaker of the ideas from the West and once the West got back on its feet, the Muslim world in the middle east went back to their primitive way of life.
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What a bunch of bullcrap. So it was actually the West that critically expanded on Algebra? Most those stars that have Arabic names? Really invented by the West. Same with the scientific method. The West invented it, forgot about it, then somehow relearned it. Ibn Haytham's Book of Optics was actually written by someone in the West.

From Robert Briffault's book The Making of Humanity:
The making of humanity - Google Books
The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence. The ancient world was, as we saw, pre-scientific. The astronomy and mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thoroughly acclimatized in Greek culture. The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation, experimental inquiry, were altogether alien to the Greek temperament. [...] What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs.
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texmaster said:
Go ahead and explain how most are still living as their ancestors did before this so called "golden age" today.
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Yeah, Western imperialism and colonialism had nothing to do with that... :roll: You probably have no idea that up until the British invasion of India, India was the de fact richest country in the world. Now look at it.
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You can then explain how women's rights have stayed hundreds of years in the past while the rest of the world matured around them.
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Look at pre-Islam Arabia and tell me Islam didn't advance woman's rights. Oh wait, you cannot look at history with an objective viewpoint so I think I will explain it to you. Prior to Islam, newborn daughters were usually buried alive in the desert of Arabia. Prior to Islam, a woman's main function was that of property. Before she was married she was the property of her family. After she was married she was the property of her husband. Islam liberated women of the harsh polytheistic beliefs Arabians had about women. You probably didn't know this (no surprise), but the first Muslim was a woman. You probably don't this (no surprise), but women are the majority of new converts to Islam as of 2010.

Come back when you actually want to intellectual debate and not just one where you post ignorant statements devoid of history.
 
Crunch said:
I was wondering if someone else would see this as I read through the thread. If the placing of nativity scenes, or praying in schools are a violation of the separation of church and state, using a government agency to reach out to a religion has to also be a violation.... can't have it both ways. :mrgreen:
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Raising awareness about contributions to science and engineering is not the same thing as pushing a religion onto school children. False equivalency.
 
Oh, I caught the subtlety in apdst's comment, but we're not necessarily discussing which gov't agency should or should not be opening up diplomatic relations w/Muslim nations where science and technology is concerned (though I'm sure that would be the role of the State Department). Right now, we're discussion the practicality of the matter.

Besides, I seriously doubt you'd ever take the religious aspect out of the equation where Muslim nations are concerned. Everything they do is based heavily in their religious culture. But then again, isn't that how this nation got started?
 
Moon said:
Umm, Israel is a nation, not a religion.
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It's a nation of predominantly Jews. Named after the Kingdom of Israel.

There is no point in being obtuse.
 
Moon said:
Then you should stop being obtuse.
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Well seeing as how Israel demands that it be recognized as a Jewish state, you're the only one being obtuse here.
 
Degreez said:
What a bunch of bullcrap. So it was actually the West that critically expanded on Algebra? Most those stars that have Arabic names? Really invented by the West. Same with the scientific method. The West invented it, forgot about it, then somehow relearned it. Ibn Haytham's Book of Optics was actually written by someone in the West.

From Robert Briffault's book The Making of Humanity:
The making of humanity - Google Books
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Still quoting books no one can verify. Typical Degreez.

Yeah, Western imperialism and colonialism had nothing to do with that... :roll: You probably have no idea that up until the British invasion of India, India was the de fact richest country in the world. Now look at it.p
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LOL So you're blaming whitey for entering new land and forming colonies. So you're admitting the West advanced beyond the Middle East. Thanks for that.

And India is rapidly modernizing beceause they don't have a majority of the country still being told by their religion that women are property.

Look at pre-Islam Arabia and tell me Islam didn't advance woman's rights. Oh wait, you cannot look at history with an objective viewpoint so I think I will explain it to you. Prior to Islam, newborn daughters were usually buried alive in the desert of Arabia. Prior to Islam, a woman's main function was that of property. Before she was married she was the property of her family. After she was married she was the property of her husband. Islam liberated women of the harsh polytheistic beliefs Arabians had about women. You probably didn't know this (no surprise), but the first Muslim was a woman. You probably don't this (no surprise), but women are the majority of new converts to Islam as of 2010.

Come back when you actually want to intellectual debate and not just one where you post ignorant statements devoid of history.
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ROFLOL Now that was good. So you consider advancement in the Muslim world that children aren't buried alive but its still ok to treat them like property and to hit them?

YouTube - How to beat your wife

YouTube - Allah order you to beat your wife so you should do it.


Now that's progress! :lamo

Thanks for the laugh.
 
Deuce said:
Irrational distrust and hatred of a group of people based on the actions of a few. American conservatives literally seem to think Islam is an enemy.
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Unfortunately, I am slowing coming to agree with this point.
 
texmaster said:
Still quoting books no one can verify. Typical Degreez.
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No one can verify? I provided the link to the book. Do you want the ISBN number? The quoted text is provided online by Google Books. I love how you completely disregarded everything else I said, including the creation of the scientific method. It's obvious you have no actual rebuttal, and didn't even bother to read the link (in which you'd know that the book could be verified as legitimate).

texmaster said:
LOL So you're blaming whitey for entering new land and forming colonies.
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Wait, somehow it was the Native Americans fault for the founding of the British colonies in America? India actually invited the British to come colonize them? Please leave your ignorance of relative history out of your posts.
texmaster said:
So you're admitting the West advanced beyond the Middle East.
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Show me where I said that? Watch, I'll do the exact same thing you just did with the next quoted part.
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Thanks for that.
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So you're admitting Islamic contributions during Medieval times brought the West out of the Dark Ages. Thanks for that.
texmaster said:
And India is rapidly modernizing beceause they don't have a majority of the country still being told by their religion that women are property.
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India didn't have a state religion under the Mughal Empire. Great job expressing yet again your ignorance of history.

texmaster said:
ROFLOL Now that was good. So you consider advancement in the Muslim world that children aren't buried alive but its still ok to treat them like property and to hit them?
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Where did I say it was OK? That's the thing about you that makes you a pathetic debater. You accuse people of making assertions that you make up for them. It's quite elementary.
texmaster said:
YouTube - How to beat your wife
YouTube - Allah order you to beat your wife so you should do it.

Now that's progress! :lamo

Thanks for the laugh.
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LMAO. You somehow believe a YouTube source is more valid and credible than a legitimate book that can be verified?

Now that's laughable. :lamo
 
Degreez said:
No one can verify? I provided the link to the book. Do you want the ISBN number? The quoted text is provided online by Google Books. I love how you completely disregarded everything else I said, including the creation of the scientific method. It's obvious you have no actual rebuttal, and didn't even bother to read the link (in which you'd know that the book could be verified as legitimate).
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Gee how about NAMES, LINKS we can verify. Only someone in big trouble in a debate throws out book titles and claims like an old Ragu commercial that "its in there"

Wait, somehow it was the Native Americans fault for the founding of the British colonies in America? India actually invited the British to come colonize them? Please leave your ignorance of relative history out of your posts.
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LOL Give us ANY evidence that all of the Middle East was refused any attempt at bettering themselves by Europeans.

Lets see it. Produce the evidence.

Show me where I said that? Watch, I'll do the exact same thing you just did with the next quoted part.
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Right here:

Yeah, Western imperialism and colonialism had nothing to do with that... You probably have no idea that up until the British invasion of India, India was the de fact richest country in the world. Now look at it.
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Your admittance that European weaponry and technology was superior allowed more priminitve cultures to be conquered. The only problem is Islam is a key part in keeping things priminitve in the Middle East which is why India is growing in leaps and bounds because they don't have that hangup.

So you're admitting Islamic contributions during Medieval times brought the West out of the Dark Ages. Thanks for that.
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Actaully what I said was So you're admitting the West advanced beyond the Middle East.

Thanks for proving once again reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

India didn't have a state religion under the Mughal Empire. Great job expressing yet again your ignorance of history.
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What does that have anything to do with the point of today which I said India is improving at a rapid pace? Do you enjoy not reading carefully?

Where did I say it was OK?
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Right here:

Look at pre-Islam Arabia and tell me Islam didn't advance woman's rights. Oh wait, you cannot look at history with an objective viewpoint so I think I will explain it to you. Prior to Islam, newborn daughters were usually buried alive in the desert of Arabia.
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You just made the claim that Islam prevented baby deaths so I had to point out Muslim clerics today in the very same lands still justify the beating of women. Thanks for keeping this easy.

That's the thing about you that makes you a pathetic debater. You accuse people of making assertions that you make up for them. It's quite elementary.
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I know its sad when I quote you directly and embarass your pathetic attempts to rewrite your own words but its no challenge.

LMAO. You somehow believe a YouTube source is more valid and credible than a legitimate book that can be verified?

Now that's laughable. :lamo
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Thats right because unlike your claims without evidence you can watch the video and see what they say. There is no middle ground or doubt. Those are their words verbatim. Throwing out book titles smacks of deception. Are your positions so pathetic and weak you can't even find one source online we can verify? Is your argument that weak? Survey says yes.
 
texmaster said:
Gee how about NAMES, LINKS we can verify. Only someone in big trouble in a debate throws out book titles and claims like an old Ragu commercial that "its in there".
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Now it is obvious you haven't even clicked the link I gave. All you had to was click the link and input any of the text from the quote I posted to find what page number it is in the book (it will also show the an image text of the book). Since you're too lazy to even open a link, I knew I would have to do it for you:

Here's the text I quoted:
The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence. The ancient world was, as we saw, pre-scientific. The astronomy and mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thoroughly acclimatized in Greek culture. The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation, experimental inquiry, were altogether alien to the Greek temperament. [...] What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs.
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After inputting "Greeks systematized" into the 'Search this book' part of the link on Google Books, it gave me this result:
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It's hilarious that you accuse me of "throwing out book titles", when you are too lazy to even bother clicking a link.

texmaster said:
LOL Give us ANY evidence that all of the Middle East was refused any attempt at bettering themselves by Europeans.

Lets see it. Produce the evidence.
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Let's see... British Mandate of Palestine. French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon. British Mandate of Mesopotamia. Apparently you believe self-determination is an invalid concept.

texmaster said:
Right here:

Your admittance that European weaponry and technology was superior allowed more priminitve cultures to be conquered. The only problem is Islam is a key part in keeping things priminitve in the Middle East which is why India is growing in leaps and bounds because they don't have that hangup.
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Where did I admit European weaponry and technology was superior? In case you wish to remain even more ignorant of relative history, it was British and Arab forces that overthrew Ottoman rule in the Levant. It was the British who promised Arabs independence for their support in defeating the Ottomans. It was only because of foreign imperialism that this did not happen:
McMahon-Husain correspondence - Report of Arab-UK committee - UK documentation Cmd. 5974 (excerpts)/Non-UN document (16 March 1939)
The contention that the British Government did intend Palestine to be removed from the sphere of French influence and to be included within the area of Arab independence (that is to say, within the area of future British influence) is also borne out by the measures they took in Palestine during the War. They dropped proclamations by the thousand in all parts of Palestine, which bore a message from the Sharif Husain on one side and a message from the British Command on the other, to the effect that an Anglo-Arab agreement had been arrived at securing the independence of the Arabs, and to ask the Arab population of Palestine to look upon the advancing British Army as allies and liberators and give them every assistance. Under the aegis of the British military authorities, recruiting offices were opened in Palestine to recruit volunteers for the forces of the Arab Revolt. Throughout 1916 and the greater part of 1917, the attitude of the military and political officers of the British Army was clearly based on the understanding that Palestine was destined to form part of the Arab territory which was to be constituted after the War on the basis of independent Arab governments in close alliance with Great Britain.
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texmaster said:
Actaully what I said was So you're admitting the West advanced beyond the Middle East.

Thanks for proving once again reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
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And I asked you for proof of where I admitted that. You are equating conquering with being more advanced. By that logic, Nazi Germany was more advanced than Poland and France. I'm sure you've heard of the Western betrayal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

texmaster said:
What does that have anything to do with the point of today which I said India is improving at a rapid pace? Do you enjoy not reading carefully?
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It has to do with this laughable statement you made here:
texmaster said:
And India is rapidly modernizing beceause they don't have a majority of the country still being told by their religion that women are property.
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texmaster said:
You just made the claim that Islam prevented baby deaths so I had to point out Muslim clerics today in the very same lands still justify the beating of women. Thanks for keeping this easy.
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Great logical fallacy! You are making this too easy.

texmaster said:
I know its sad when I quote you directly and embarass your pathetic attempts to rewrite your own words but its no challenge.
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No, you quote someone then somehow post your pathetic interpretation of it. It's almost like you have a warped sense of reality. There's only one other person I can think of that has this similar problem and that is Glenn Beck.

texmaster said:
Thats right because unlike your claims without evidence you can watch the video and see what they say. There is no middle ground or doubt. Those are their words verbatim. Throwing out book titles smacks of deception. Are your positions so pathetic and weak you can't even find one source online we can verify? Is your argument that weak? Survey says yes.
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Check above where it's obvious you didn't even click the book link I had posted to Google Books. Pathetic and weak is you not taking the time to even bother checking a source someone provides and then proceeding to accuse them of not being able to verify said source when you clearly can.

:roll:
 
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Degreez said:
Now it is obvious you haven't even clicked the link I gave. All you had to was click the link and input any of the text from the quote I posted to find what page number it is in the book (it will also show the an image text of the book). Since you're too lazy to even open a link, I knew I would have to do it for you:

Here's the text I quoted:

After inputting "Greeks systematized" into the 'Search this book' part of the link on Google Books, it gave me this result:
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It's hilarious that you accuse me of "throwing out book titles", when you are too lazy to even bother clicking a link.
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Little tip in debate. You actually bring your evidence with you. You don't claim its in some link then run away.

Finally. Now I get to destroy your claims by giving you the real facts about the "golden age" of the Middle East.

I do love how your only evidence is a summary of someone else's opinion but I expected no less from you.

But in fact, much of the most common claims about the great achievements of Islamic culture have been exaggerated, often for quite transparent apologetic motives. The astrolabe was developed, if not perfected, long before Muhammad was born. The zero, which is often attributed to Muslims, and what we know today as "Arabic numerals" did not originate in Arabia, but in pre-Islamic India. Aristotle's work was preserved in Arabic not initially by Muslims at all, but by Christians such as the fifth century priest Probus of Antioch, who introduced Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world. Another Christian, Huneyn ibn-Ishaq (809-873), translated many works by Aristotle, Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into Syriac. His son then translated them into Arabic. The Syrian Christian Yahya ibn 'Adi (893-974) also translated works of philosophy into Arabic, and wrote one of his own, The Reformation of Morals. His student, another Christian named Abu 'Ali 'Isa ibn Zur'a (943-1008), also translated Aristotle and others from Syriac into Arabic. The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate -- not by a Muslim, but a Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in Persia -- by Assyrian Christians.

The point here is simply that the great achievements of Islamic culture are being exaggerated for political and apologetic reasons today. For this sort of thing to go on at jihad-justifying Islamic websites is one thing, but an academic should know better. Emphasis on "should."

If anyone makes Dr. Adamson's lecture and he takes questions, these would be some facts that one might politely and respectfully ask him about.

Breaking news: the Muslims saved civilization! - Jihad Watch

See these are real dates, real people and real facts. Not summaries by another author. Go ahead, try and recover from that beat down. I'll bet you had no clue who those people were. You were so locked into your fantasy about the great Middle East Golden Age you had no idea where they really got their ideas or should I say stole them from :)

Let's see... British Mandate of Palestine. French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon. British Mandate of Mesopotamia. Apparently you believe self-determination is an invalid concept.
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Now watch carefully as a real debater destroys your pitiful attempts at justification for blaming Europe for the inadequacy of the Middle East.

British Mandate of Palestine 1920–1948

French Mandate of Syria and Lebanon 1920–1946

British Mandate of Mesopotamia 1920–1932

"Golden Age" of Middle East:

Now I'll be real nice here and give you an extra 400 years even though its factually incorrect 750 to 1500 A.D

First "Mandate" you cited: 1920

Thats 420 YEARS of NOTHING. Where is the European onslaught that kept Islamic nations back in the Middle East all this time? Where are they Degreez?

As usual, your arguments are so pathetic you don't even bother to research your own arguments before embarrassing yourself.

Seriously. This is really getting sad.

Do you blame the Europeans even today for the pitiful poor in the middle east? You are a one trick pony. Short on actually thinking about your facts and huge on emotional fallacies.

Where did I admit European weaponry and technology was superior? In case you wish to remain even more ignorant of relative history, it was British and Arab forces that overthrew Ottoman rule in the Levant. It was the British who promised Arabs independence for their support in defeating the Ottomans. It was only because of foreign imperialism that this did not happen:
McMahon-Husain correspondence - Report of Arab-UK committee - UK documentation Cmd. 5974 (excerpts)/Non-UN document (16 March 1939)
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Once again you fail to read your own article. NO WHERE in any of that BS you cited does it even discuss weapons. Am I supposed to be shocked that a country from far away used local people to fight on their behalf? Have you ever read any history on warfare? Mercenaries have been used throughout history for thousands of years. How can you not be aware of such basic historical knowledge?

You claimed this proved the British did not have superior weapons. WHERE IS THAT PROOF? Where is the discussion of the weapons? Don't worry, I'll provide it and show you how sad your claims really are.

One more thing. Citing "foreign imperialism" is just another excuse for someone lacking superior weaponry. Your own works don't back your ridiculous claims.

The real reason the Ottoman's LOST world war one? Superior firepower.

Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire

Handguns

* Smith & Wesson

* FN Browning M1903

* Mauser C96

* Pistole Parabellum 1908

Rifles

* Mauser Models 1887, 1889, 1890, 1893 and 1903

* Gewehr 88 (Sent by Germany late in the war)

* Gewehr 98 (Sent by Germany late in the war)

* Peabody-Martini

* Winchester M1866

Machine Guns

* Maxim gun

* Maschinengewehr 08

vs the British:

United Kingdom British Empire and Commonwealth

Handguns

* Webley Revolver
* Webley Self-Loading .455” Mark I (Royal Navy, since 1911, and later Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Flying Corps)
* Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver
* Colt M1911 (Royal Flying Corps and Royal Navy, Limited use)
* Colt New Service
* Smith & Wesson M1917 revolver
* Smith & Wesson Model 10
* Smith & Wesson Triple Lock
* Lancaster pistol
* Mauser C96

Rifles

* Lee-Enfield
* Lee-Metford
* Pattern 1914 Enfield
* Martini-Enfield
* Martini-Henry
* Ross rifle (Canadian units)
* Winchester Model 1894 (Royal Flying Corps, Limited use)
* Winchester Model 1895
* Winchester Model 1907
* Type 30 rifle
* Type 38 rifle
* Type 38 cavalry rifle
* Periscope rifle

Machine Guns

* Vickers machine gun
* Maxim gun
* Lewis Gun
* Hotchkiss Mark I
* M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun (Canadian units)

Shotguns

* Sawn-off shotgun (British and ANZAC trench raiders)

Anti-tank weapons

* Elephant gun

Grenades

* Grenade, No 1 Hales
* Rifle grenades, 2, 3, 4 Hales
* No.s 5, 23, 36 Mills
* No. 6 Grenade
* No.s 8, 9 Double Cylinder Jam Tin
* No. 13 Battye
* No. 15 Ball grenade
* No. 27 Smoke Grenade
* No. 34 Egg grenade

Mortars

* 2 inch Medium Mortar
* Newton 6 inch Mortar
* Stokes Mortar
* Livens Projector

Swords

* 1897 Pattern
* 1908 and 1912 Pattern Cavalry Swords
* Claymore

Bayonets

* M1917 bayonet

List of infantry weapons of World War I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Superior Firepower. Hell, the Ottoman's best weapons were German only solidifying my point. Only someone completely devoid of any historical understanding of war would claim otherwise.

And I asked you for proof of where I admitted that. You are equating conquering with being more advanced.
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You're damn right. Too bad you don't understand basic history.

By that logic, Nazi Germany was more advanced than Poland and France
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Um, YEAH! LOL

I'm sure you've heard of the Western betrayal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sigh. Your lack of understanding basic history just grows and grows.

Let's take the Germans and Poland for just a second. How about the invasion of Poland?

Polish lancers on horseback were slaughtered as they bravely, but ineffectually, charged columns of German tanks.

SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. The Polish didn't have tanks. It doesn't matter if they were given 10 years to prepare, the Germans had the superior technology.

How about France?

In 1940 it defeated the French army, which had the necessary weapons (tanks, aircraft, radio), but of lesser quality, and it didn't know how to use it because it totally neglected mobile warfare after World War 1

Blitzkrieg

So once again your incredible ignorance of basic history and the use of superior firepower to win wars is staggering.

It has to do with this laughable statement you made here:
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LOL You deny women are still treated as property in Islamic countries in the middle east?

Quiz time. How many Muslim Countries in the middle East or even next door have equal rights for men and women? ONE. Turkey.

Your incredible lack of basic knowledge continues to amaze.

But go ahead, list all the countries in the Middle East that treat women by law as equals besides the dirty joos in Israel.

I'll laugh while I wait.

Great logical fallacy! You are making this too easy.
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ah yes the classic tactic of the defeated. Pretend to falsely classify your opponent's argument when you can't argue the point. You were the one who made the argument Islam has greatly improved the treatment of women and you cited babies are no longer killed in the streets while ignoring the fact that women are still not treated as equals and are even allowed to be beaten according to clerics who cite Islamic law.

It really is sad to see you get defeated so easily by basic information. Almost takes the fun out of it. Almost :D

No, you quote someone then somehow post your pathetic interpretation of it. It's almost like you have a warped sense of reality. There's only one other person I can think of that has this similar problem and that is Glenn Beck.
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LOL a Beck reference? Now I know you are in trouble. There is no interpretation. There is what you present and what you ignore. You make your own grave.

Check above where it's obvious you didn't even click the book link I had posted to Google Books. Pathetic and weak is you not taking the time to even bother checking a source someone provides and then proceeding to accuse them of not being able to verify said source when you clearly can.
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Not only have I demolished your generalization from one book I've cited exactly where the Muslim "golden age" came from and who gave them the knowledge. Something you could never do.

Then I destroyed your pathetic excuse for trying to blame Europe for the Middle East living in the Dark Ages some 420 years after this supposed "golden age" was to have happened.

The Middle East was colonized because it lacked the superior knowledge and technology. Your sad attempts to equate the 1920s as an excuse for this inability to modernize despite being next door to it is really amazing.

And then my personal favorite your inability to understand how the Polish and France were conquered or even what weaponry they had and didn't have. Hell, your understanding of how World War II was won is hysterical alone.

*hint* it had something to do with a big boom. Google that in google books :D
 
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Deuce said:
Conservatives literally hate diplomacy.

I mean, what would NASA know about contributions to science and engineering? :roll:
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Enough to know that the Muslim contribution to science and engineering ended with the invention of the word "al gebra".

There's a reason the history of science flows from Aristotle Roadblock through Copernicus to Kepler to Gallileo to Newton to Einstein (evil Jew), and not through the bin Laden family.
 
Degreez said:
So you're admitting Islamic contributions during Medieval times brought the West out of the Dark Ages. Thanks for that.
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Which begs the question:

If "Islamic Contributions" brought Europe out of the Dark Ages, why did the lands dominated by Islam STAY in the Dark Ages to this very day?

Increased trade, growing population, and technical innovation, and even the Black Death are all reasons why Europe moved past the Dark Ages and the Medieval period to eventually enjoy a renaissance and the birth of the modern world.

Islam has no document comparable to the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence, or the US Constitution.

Islam has no acheivement comparable to the printing press, the steam engine, or the geared clock (which, interestingly, was anticipated by the startlingly complex Anti-Kythera Mechanism).

NASA's top Administrator should be focused on re-establishing the US manned space program, not kissing up to a media outlet famous for it's anti-western hate speech.
 
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Irrational distrust and hatred of a group of people based on the actions of a few. American conservatives literally seem to think Islam is an enemy.
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What a cop-out!

They are formed for a reason. When your group is involved in a pattern of behavior long enough, you get associated with it by default.

You will see arabs/muslims being lunatic fringe extremists. Thats because where there's smoke, there's fire. They are the one flying jets into buildings, they are the ones beheading people on TV, they are the one sending children with bomb vests onto Israeli busses, etc.... For the last 30 years (and longer) we have been confronted continously with the image of arabs and muslims acting savagely towards others. Its not MY opinion, its a fact. They have created this image for themselves, and have allowed it to happen.

I have no trouble with them now dealing with the backlash.
 
Degreez said:
LMAO. You somehow believe a YouTube source is more valid and credible than a legitimate book that can be verified?

Now that's laughable. :lamo
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A picture is worth more than a thousand words....

Perhaps you might want to get your facts straight before defending Islam. Their religion, as codified by the Koran, commands them to spread Islam with fire and sword and to kill those who do not convert.

Islam has spent over 1200 years killing primarily those of other religions and will certainly kill off a certain number of their own.
 
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