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Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

apdst said:
Are they paying their bill? If not, then cut their asses off. I've had my lights cut off before and no one gave a rat's hairy ass what the weather outside was like when they did it.
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Wait, what? Power companies already shut off your power if you don't pay the bill. This isn't about the bill, it's about the immigrants being illegal. If you know where an illegal lives, can prove they live there, and can prove they are illegal, why would you shut off their power? Why not deport them?
 
American said:
Illegals should be hounded wherever they go until they realize it's better to live in Mexico than to be here illegally. If you think it's harsh, look at how the Mexican handle illegals.
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The Mexican government is very hard on illegals. We're not Mexico.
 
Mickey Shane said:
The Mexican government is very hard on illegals. We're not Mexico.
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So it's ok for them to be hard but we need to be flexible because they are hard, incapable and insufficient?
So we're just the world's sponge, hmm? Everyone else makes a mess and we clean it up?

*sings* "Come to the USA . . . "
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So it's ok for them to be hard but we need to be flexible because they are hard, incapable and insufficient?
So we're just the world's sponge, hmm? Everyone else makes a mess and we clean it up?

*sings* "Come to the USA . . . "
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"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
Mickey Shane said:
"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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I have no problem with us extending help and support and openly accepting a vast amount of people as new citizens.
But if things are not done within a controlled and reasonable means then things fall apart, the system fails and people suffer.

And these three things are EXACTLY what's happening - things are falling apart, the system is failing and people ARE suffering.

We need serious reform - AND serious measures to try to end the problems that have come from the excessive number of illegals who are here.

For all of this time our immigration process has been regulated - constantly regulated, it was never at any time unregulated because the lack of regulation CAUSES problem rather than PREVENTING them . . . don't you agree?

What's the point of someone coming to America if they have *no* legal recourse and no rights as a citizen? (hence the SERIOUS need for reform and hence why I don't support just deporting everyone)
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
What do you think? It sounds over the top to me. Also, many illegals crash with relatives or friends. Isn't this taking matters too far in the fight against illegal immigration?

FOXNews.com - Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants
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Ain't it funny as hell that certain people scream that we should leave the markets alone, and then, if they have a political agenda, start screaming for government intervention in the marketplace? And they have the unmitigated audacity to call themselves Conservatives? Hah!! These guys are a smear on Conservatism, and are ruining it for all the good Conservatives. They may talk a good game of Conservatism, but when the time comes for pushing their agenda, they turn into Liberals on steroids.
 
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danarhea said:
Ain't it funny as hell that certain people scream that we should leave the markets alone, and then, if they have a political agenda, start screaming for government intervention? And they call themselves Conservatives? Hah!! These guys are a smear on Conservatism, and are ruining it for all the good Conservatives. They may talk a good game of Conservatism, but when the time comes for pushing their agenda, they turn into Liberals on steroids.
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I disagree. The government should stay out of the economy. National security, however, is the federal bailiwick.
 
reefedjib said:
I disagree. The government should stay out of the economy. National security, however, is the federal bailiwick.
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I respectfully disagree with your disagree. National security has nothing to do with who sells legitimately to whom. Want to deal with national security? Then enforce the laws against illegal immigration. Don't tell companies who they can and can't sell to inside our own borders.

Are you now going to disagree with my disagree to your disagree? :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
I respectfully disagree with your disagree. National security has nothing to do with who sells legitimately to whom. Want to deal with national security? Then enforce the laws against illegal immigration. Don't tell companies who they can and can't sell to inside our own borders.

Are you now going to disagree with my disagree to your disagree? :mrgreen:
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Nope, I agree with your disagree!
 
danarhea said:
Ain't it funny as hell that certain people scream that we should leave the markets alone, and then, if they have a political agenda, start screaming for government intervention in the marketplace? And they have the unmitigated audacity to call themselves Conservatives? Hah!! These guys are a smear on Conservatism, and are ruining it for all the good Conservatives. They may talk a good game of Conservatism, but when the time comes for pushing their agenda, they turn into Liberals on steroids.
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How, exactly, is forbidding businesses from violating federal law by doing business with illegal immigrants against conservativism? This should be interesting.
 
megaprogman said:
Actually, I don't see a problem with this statement. If they are criminals than they have no rights to these sorts of services.
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Actually I do not know how they can actually do this.
 
Just remember folks, once you get all the illegals out, you going to need someone to do the jobs they did.
Going to have a great big laugh over all this insanity, because Americans will refuse to do the work presently done by ILLEGALS.
So guess what they will have to do is invite some guest workers into the country to do the work. ROFLMBO
 
jujuman13 said:
Just remember folks, once you get all the illegals out, you going to need someone to do the jobs they did.
Going to have a great big laugh over all this insanity, because Americans will refuse to do the work presently done by ILLEGALS.
So guess what they will have to do is invite some guest workers into the country to do the work. ROFLMBO
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Easy fix for that. Just take the banksters who have plundered this country, put leaf blowers in their hands, and make them do some real work, for a change. :mrgreen:
 
I can see why the candidate is pushing that. Obviously in AZ you can win any election, no matter how incompetant you are, by promising to attack hispanics or illegal immigrants... But, trying to force utility companies to act as immigration enforcement officials is just ridiculous... And I very much doubt the utilities commission even has the legal authority to do something like that anyways... Which, presumably, this bloke knows. So it's just political theater...
 
jujuman13 said:
Just remember folks, once you get all the illegals out, you going to need someone to do the jobs they did.
Going to have a great big laugh over all this insanity, because Americans will refuse to do the work presently done by ILLEGALS.
So guess what they will have to do is invite some guest workers into the country to do the work. ROFLMBO
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There are plenty of Americans hungry enough to work honestly to survive. It's the business owners that take advantage of the illegal work force that should be jailed and forced to pay major fines.
 
teamosil said:
So it's just political theater...
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It is.

Pedro and Maria are not going to sneak into this country to fill manufacturing, engineering or management roles. Seriously, they might manage to land jobs at a food service joint or janitorial staff at a plant or facility, but they aren't displacing anyone in the trades or people who had to go to college to get their job....So, lets cut to the chase

A lot of headway would be made in the illegal situation if, the Feds just turned off social services for illegals and were serious about going after companies who are unlawfully employing them. You take away the ability to make a living illegally and you solve most of the problem.
 
Prevent them from coming in and the problem goes away.
 
Guy must be a nut job. Really. The power company can barely shut off power if one doesn't pay their bill -- much less if one isn't legal in the U.S. Ridiculous. Electricity is a necessary service. Who are THEY to shut it off without due process.
 
rhinefire said:
Prevent them from coming in and the problem goes away.
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That's impossible. We don't have enough money to pay people to do that or use technology.
 
upsideguy said:
1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...
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Where do you get these strange ideas?

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.
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8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
 
So let me see if I understand the debate....

If a person comes here illegally, and thus sets up residence illegally, and thus arranges for electricity for that residence illegally, why wouldn't we cut their power?

Look what liberalism has done to basic common sense.
 
Erod said:
So let me see if I understand the debate....

If a person comes here illegally, and thus sets up residence illegally, and thus arranges for electricity for that residence illegally, why wouldn't we cut their power?

Look what liberalism has done to basic common sense.
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It isn't against the law for someone to be a non-citizen and receive power.
When I signed up as a customer of our electricity company I don't recall my nationality being in question - at all.

There's absolutely nothing that states, in any state's codes or in any federal code that "In order to receive electricity you must be a legal citizen or here under visa" . . . etc.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
It isn't against the law for someone to be a non-citizen and receive power.
When I signed up as a customer of our electricity company I don't recall my nationality being in question - at all.

There's absolutely nothing that states, in any state's codes or in any federal code that "In order to receive electricity you must be a legal citizen or here under visa" . . . etc.
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But if they are found out to be illegal, do you not cut their power and deport them immediately?
 
Erod said:
But if they are found out to be illegal, do you not cut their power and deport them immediately?
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Deport them yes, cut their power that they have paid for no, that would be theft
 
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