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Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

There isn't a single person that does R&D work that CAN talk to you. Because NDAs are an industry standard.

Right! Right! yeah...ok! It all make sense, now.

us common folks are just too stupid to understand, so we needs to just take your word that this is what we need to make our lives better. Am I close?
 
Right! Right! yeah...ok! It all make sense, now.

us common folks are just too stupid to understand, so we needs to just take your word that this is what we need to make our lives better. Am I close?

No, you're totally wrong.

YOU may be too stupid to understand, I don't know about YOU, but what I'm saying is that I've signed a contract that prohibits me from speaking in detail on the subject -- which is no end of frustrating, because my everyday work would do wonders for making your argument look like grade school bull****.
 
Do you not understand what an NDA is?

I can talk about the subject in general terms, as I've been doing. Beyond that, if you feel like you need to bone up on solar panels, I recommend Google.

I know exactly what non-disclosure agreements are. I was in the Army for 12 years. I also have three patents in my name.

But, we're talking about solar panels and I doubt seriously that you've created some super-secret, hi-tech solar panel that is going to make fossil fuels a thing of the past. If you had, you would be marketing it.
 
I know exactly what non-disclosure agreements are. I was in the Army for 12 years. I also have three patents in my name.

Okay, so I was right -- you're not a complete idiot, you're trying to piss me off until you can declare yourself the winner.

But, we're talking about solar panels and I doubt seriously that you've created some super-secret, hi-tech solar panel that is going to make fossil fuels a thing of the past. If you had, you would be marketing it.

Well, you can think whatever you like, but you would in fact be incorrect.

Just saying.
 
No, you're totally wrong.

YOU may be too stupid to understand, I don't know about YOU, but what I'm saying is that I've signed a contract that prohibits me from speaking in detail on the subject -- which is no end of frustrating, because my everyday work would do wonders for making your argument look like grade school bull****.

If that were true, you would be too busy working on your little pet project, vice online bragging about what an R&D goo-roo you are.

I know, personally, R&D folks who have really created inovations that have revolutionized our society, and they were waaaaay too busy working on those inovations to be online talking smack.
 
Okay, so I was right -- you're not a complete idiot, you're trying to piss me off until you can declare yourself the winner.



Well, you can think whatever you like, but you would in fact be incorrect.

Just saying.

yeah! Ok! Whatever! :rofl
 
Hey Apdst, since when was GE an arm of the government?

Since they started providing nuclear reactors, jet engines, light bulbs, and practically everythin else they sell to the DoD.

That means, like, since forever.

They've always been bent by the political whims of the White House.

For the same reason the government spends billions of tax payer dollars and create a situation that would force American citizens to spend more of their hard earned money on other power sources like nuclear.

Here's a truly strange idea:

Let's make the government obey it's own Constitution, and that will end all this subsidy BS and restore freedom to the marketplace.

That'll kill solar energy, but only a damn fool would want gallium arsenide on their roofs, anyway. Certainly their neighbors should have a say in whether their properties should be exposed to the risks solar voltaic cells present their health.
 
If that were true, you would be too busy working on your little pet project, vice online bragging about what an R&D goo-roo you are.

Everybody takes a weekend every now and again, and I guess you haven't noticed how little time I've spent posting here over the last six months. :lol:

I know, personally, R&D folks who have really created inovations that have revolutionized our society, and they were waaaaay too busy working on those inovations to be online talking smack.

I don't give a damn who you do or don't know. You're making statements that I've seen contradicted by my own work, and you expect me to just let you talk your smack without saying anything?

Oh, okay. :lol:
 
People are still figuring out how to best employ solar power to replace our current energy sources.

Solar CAN'T replace our present energy infrastructure.

Period.

These damn things are worthless.
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No, it's more like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to alternative energy.

I've designed solar arrays for satellites.

Whats your background?

Oh, and I've run a nuclear power plant, too.
 
Everybody takes a weekend every now and again, and I guess you haven't noticed how little time I've spent posting here over the last six months. :lol:

Actually, I haven't given you a moment's ****ing thought.



I don't give a damn who you do or don't know. You're making statements that I've seen contradicted by my own work, and you expect me to just let you talk your smack without saying anything?

Oh, okay. :lol:

What the hell are you waiting on? You're ass ****ing the country by not putting your **** on the market and making all our lives better.

When you're product hits the market, you be sure and let us know. M'k, ?
 
Solar CAN'T replace our present energy infrastructure.

Period.

These damn things are worthless.
solar-car-723272.jpg





I've designed solar arrays for satellites.

Whats your background?

Oh, and I've run a nuclear power plant, too.

Traffic deaths will sky rocket because of that piece-a-****.

Not to mention, you can't pull a horse trailer with it, which makes it worthless.
 
Solar CAN'T replace our present energy infrastructure.

Period.

Micropower.

These damn things are worthless.
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Yep.

I've designed solar arrays for satellites.

Whats your background?

Oh, and I've run a nuclear power plant, too.

I've designed electronics that have gone down in submarines, up in rockets, and everything in between, including radar antennae deployment systems.

I learned the business from a guy who designed CCDs for Kodak and USB hubs for Belkin.
 
Actually, I haven't given you a moment's ****ing thought.

No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.

What the hell are you waiting on? You're ass ****ing the country by not putting your **** on the market and making all our lives better.

Whatever you say, troll.

When you're product hits the market, you be sure and let us know. M'k, ?

It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

Whatever, have fun pretending you know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious that all you give a damn about is appearing to be right.
 
No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.



Whatever you say, troll.



It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

Whatever, have fun pretending you know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious that all you give a damn about is appearing to be right.

Ok!...LOL...when their product hit's the market, you be sure and let us know. I can't wait!! I'm sure Obama will be bragging about it, so you can clue us in at that time. personally, I think you're getting paid a **** load of money to work in a novelty, but I'm sure you'll let us know when it hit's the market and makes all our lives better.
 
"Micropower"?

The compressor in the refrigerator in your kitchen is most likely the biggest drain on your bill. The laws of thermodynamics means it's pretty much at it's limits as far as drawing current, right now. Ain't gonna micro that any time soon.

Your airconditioner? That to isn't magically exempt from the Secondlaw.

Now, one spacecraft I recently worked needed a minimum of 8,000 watts of power at the end of an eight year life in LEO. That required a beginning of life surface area of 450 square feet. Yes, that was six fifteen by five foot panels.

Out in space, the efficiency of the solar cells are enhanced by the presence of raw ultraviolet.

Let's put it this way. That wing was so damn huge it prohibited the preferred disposal option of multiple controlled aerobraking entries prior to a final spash in the South Pacific. Nope, it was actually going to generate lift like an airplane and spin the satellite completely out of control.

Whatever, the point is that it takes A LOT of solar cells to make decent power, since those damn things aren't highly efficient. (Second Law, again), and more importantly, they degrade quickly, and will the wonderful government subsidy for first installation exist to help the fifth year refurbishment?

Tell us, oh technical expert, just how long photovoltaic cells last. Especially in a humid oxygenated atmosphere with birds crapping on them.

down in submarines

So? Almost all electronics that go down in submarines never get exposed to anything more significant that 70F and flourescent, the almost permanent weather forecast of the US submarine force. I know this from personal experience, 'cuz...guess where the reactor was I ran?
 
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Look, I'm done here. I can't prove to the doubters how wrong they are because I can't talk specifics. In 20 years, though, people will look back on discussions like this and snigger at you.

I'll just remind you that we're having this discussion on the Internet. You know, the thing that was conceived of by a government research project and rather explosively changed the world.

:lol:
 
"Micropower"?

The compressor in the refrigerator in your kitchen is most likely the biggest drain on your bill. The laws of thermodynamics means it's pretty much at it's limits as far as drawing current, right now. Ain't gonna micro that any time soon.

Your airconditioner? That to isn't magically exempt from the Secondlaw.

Now, one spacecraft I recently worked needed a minimum of 8,000 watts of power at the end of an eight year life in LEO. That required a beginning of life surface area of 450 square feet. Yes, that was six fifteen by five foot panels.

Out in space, the efficiency of the solar cells are enhanced by the presence of raw ultraviolet.

Let's put it this way. That wing was so damn huge it prohibited the preferred disposal option of multiple controlled aerobraking entries prior to a final spash in the South Pacific. Nope, it was actually going to generate lift like an airplane and spin the satellite completely out of control.

Whatever, the point is that it takes A LOT of solar cells to make decent power, since those damn things aren't highly efficient. (Second Law, again), and more importantly, they degrade quickly, and will the wonderful government subsidy for first installation exist to help the fifth year refurbishment?

Tell us, oh technical expert, just how long photovoltaic cells last. Especially in a humid oxygenated atmosphere with birds crapping on them.

Reality sucks ass!

Can you imagine how pissed off people are going to be when they have to dig into their own pockets to repair and replace this equipment and the insurance they've been paying for, for years, doesn't cover it?
 
The internet...

....a source of mild entertainment for geeks and collegiate nerds until the government let it go and private industry got their hands on it.
 
Look, I'm done here. I can't prove to the doubters how wrong they are because I can't talk specifics. In 20 years, though, people will look back on discussions like this and snigger at you.

I'll just remind you that we're having this discussion on the Internet. You know, the thing that was conceived of by a government research project and rather explosively changed the world.

:lol:

You mean Al Gore's research project??
 
And what was a stupid idea, condidering the energy needs of the nation in 1990 is three times as stupid today.
And the Efficiency of Solar Panels is at least 6 times as great as 20 Years ago. Maybe 10x soon.
Ooops!

The area of the collectors needed would be something the area of Massachusetts, I recall.
So make that Rhode Island.


Just think of what putting an area in the desert in permanent shade will do to the ecosystem of a large area of the Southwest United States.

Just think of the shear impossibility of moving that electricity to Portland, Maine.

Just think.
Just think if it was only used in the West/Southwest we only need ¼ the area of Rhode Island.
Why be such a gremlin and bring up "portland Maine".. Why not go for the likely and doable.
Thinking like yours is what stops innovation.
Now We're talking very feasible and probably spread out so as not to be all in one spot. (So many places in Cal, Ariz, Nev, NM, etc)

And what will Oil/NG/etc cost in 10 years do you think Genius?
As 2.3 Billion 'Chindians', etc, become more like the .3 Billion Americans in their energy consumption?
You need some basic imagination.. no.. even just forethought of this certainty.

It would only be conservative and good planning to put at least a much large slice in solar, for just one.
You show the shallowest of cost analysis and one that will surely change... and probably has already. With interest rates as low as they are now, "more expensive" (and basically up-front-only) plants can be built and amortized at a much lesser cost. Especially if government or govt gauranteed/tax free financing is given as it is for many Municipal projects. In 20 years they could [still] be producing near Free energy when oil is $400 a barrel.
 
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Since quite a few of you have experience in this area I'm curious how the technology is improving for the solar screens that can be placed on windows and generate power?

IMO Solar is the best alternative fuel due to the fact the maintenance is extremely low (unlike wind power) and no bi product aside from the batteries that store the energy.
 
Japanese firm wants to transform the Moon into a giant solar power plant

I say we do this instead. Sure it would take about 20 years and billions and trillions of dollars but it's probably the only way to use solar cells to their full potential and it would be a world wide effort.

I personally think that yes we don't use "Green" Technologies because they aren't cost effective enough. We need to produce cheap LED Lightbulbs. Those things last for a heckuva lot longer then Compact Fluorescent bulbs and they use a fraction of the energy, not to mention they aren't dangerous like Compact Fluorescent (seriously we had one of those burn out in my house, granted it took 6 years, and the fumes from it almost had me throwing up and passing out)

There are always other solutions. Yes we do need to DISCOVER them first but that's why we have scientists with huge amounts of funding and what not.
 
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No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.



Whatever you say, troll.



It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

Whatever, have fun pretending you know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious that all you give a damn about is appearing to be right.

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You are thread banned from this thread.
 
If there was any kind of real market, the government wouldn't have to piss out $2 billion to promote solar energy.

By that measure, if there was any real market for nuclear power, the government wouldn't have to piss out $10 billion in loan guarantees to promote it.

I thought you were supposed to be some kinda financial/entrepreneur/business goo-roo.

The market doesn't extend past trolling motor batteries.

Apparently you are once again pretending this post:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...t-2-billion-solar-power-2.html#post1058836311

Doesn't exist.

Nor this post:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...t-2-billion-solar-power-2.html#post1058836339

I guess you think $70 billion in sales is not a market.

It's pretty obvious you have no problem with subsidies for things you want.
 
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That blast of common sense deserves a thank you.

So thank you.

If government has to subsidize it, it's not cost effective, it's not efficient, and it's not Constitutional.

That's three "no's".

How many more does anyone need?

So Nuclear, Coal and Natural gas are not cost effective, are not efficient, and are not Constitutional?

NRDC: Press Release - Massive Subsidies to Nuclear Industry 'A Mistake'
The Public Subsidies of Coal - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/02/01/83458/kentucky-lawmakers-blast-budgets.html
Obama budget seeks to end oil, gas subsidies | Reuters

DAMN FACTS. Why you gotta get in the way of every partisan?
 
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