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Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

Until you read this and realize that this is a world issue, you will be ignored.

Immigration ? Global Issues

This is a global issue and until Western economies realize this, you will be ignored.


Don't be so immature.


Come on you economic Mr. Wizard you, who is obviously steeped in immense knowledge of the intricacies of international trade, foreign investment, and the outsourcing of labour, explain to we the little people who only have brains of relatively nominal sizes, just how exactly would ending the outsourcing of labour in the U.S. increase wages in Mexico?

I mean I know that since you are so smart and mature and I am so dumb and juvenile, there must be something that I'm missing, especially considering the fact that there seems to be no causal relationship between the outsourcing of labour and the lowering of wages in the host country and in fact all data would suggest to the contrary that the outsourcing of labour has a positive relationship with wages in the host country.

But the data must be wrong and I'm just not thinking globally enough, and again because you are obviously so smart and I am obviously so dumb this simply can't be the case, I mean it's not as if American firms in Mexico pay more than Mexican firms in Mexico or that jobs in U.S. firms are in high demand overseas or anything. Oh wait they do and they are.

Until you learn the definition of the word corporatism and stop posting articles which have nothing to do with the original points you made and actually proves my first ****ing point in the first ****ing chart, you will be ignored.
 
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they don't have to completely seal the border, they just have to reduce the amount of illegal immigration to the point where the INS can deal with it and it doesn't completely overwhelm the domestic job market.
 
Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out?

I can assure you that there aren't that many canadiens that even WANT to live in the US, beyond specific opportunities, and that of those canadiens crossing the border, it's done probably 90+% done legitimately and through the proper channels.

Hell, Canada probably has to worry more about illegal entry, because the drinking age is lower here...

Not to mention, walling off the mountains and lakes that seperate the two... and that the border to the north is at least twice as long.

Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
I'd say cause the US is pretty much bankrupt as is.

We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others. Yes, Egypt! Where, the GSJ (Global Salafi Jihad) started. Their leadership is Egyptian except for Bin Laden. You can blame them more for 9-11 than the Saudis.
Ya, we should stop funding them too.
Thats a piss poor bull**** excuse. We have done this to ourselves and we keep letting it happen, dude. Blaming **** on others does squat. The fact that they continue to cross into the US in ever increasing numbers (what over 12,000,000 in the last couple of years.) Illegals know if they get here they can get lost in the system and at the same time get a permit to drive, work with very few questions asked, their little boys and girls go to school for free and now they are elligable for state aid for some of the best universities around. Illegals are given welfare, food stamps etc. WHO in the flying **** would not want to come over!! Geez, be reasonable lol

The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico

No, the bottom line is that we let the illegals know that they can't stay here illegally, then those illegals that had a taste of freedom will fight for it in Mexico... if they take the country back then at least it won't be a failed state, and if not, then well... at least we won't have to worry about them anymore. That's harsh, but really... if we don't allow them to fix themselves then they will drag us down to their level.

Oh ****...Its too early for Godwin's law of nazi analogies. Perhaps, later on :)

Seriously... Mecha, La Raza, and La reconquista groups, they are essentially calling for the acting out of the plan of san diego. If you've never heard of it I wouldn't be surprised... but it's basically the plan to take back 'mexico'... as in something like the greater part of the area between Texas and California. And to kill all white men over the age of 16.... the weapon of choice for that slaughter being the machete... now, if you heard about that movie coming out called 'machete'.

You can search youtube, for the mexican student rallies and all that... so you really honestly don't have to take my word for it.

You don't freaking know me. What the ****?!?

The problem is that we promise to be the land of opportunity but deny it way too readily to those who seek it.

To me, one of the easiest ways to fix the problem is to spread our beliefs on good pay for good work around the world so our jobs stop fleeing to places like Mexico where a factor worker gets paid less than a restaurant worker here.

Seriously, when a factory worker in Mexico is getting paid $3/hour, but the same person could be a line cook here for $7.50/hour - what the **** would you do?

If they are illegal aliens, they most likely won't get minimum wage either.

It's pure and simple economics. We're spreading our corporatism; but we're not spreading our message for respect for the worker. Crap, we're trying to tear down the respect for the worker in this nation.

Good hard working men and women fought long and hard for a fair pay and decent hours and standards for working conditions... we've squandered that by allowing these companies to move offshore, or hire slave labour.

The solution a lot of people who want to build walls and shoot women and children here want to propose is to turn our nation into another Mexico. If we lower our worker conditions to the level of theirs, sure, they'll stop coming. That's a good solution.

Really?!?!? The founding fathers fought and died to provide this country with the milk and honey, and a system of government that was powerful enough to be effective enough, but not so powerful that it got away from it's people and infringed on their freedom.

Now, because some cesspit of corruption south of us can't support the weight of it's own corruption and WE HAVE TO GIVE UP OUR standard of living?!?!?!

What kind of drugged out hippie view of the world is that??? No, seriously... that's like trying to guilt americans into feeling bad that we've allowed the people to come to our country that acted as the steam valve so the mexican people's energy is on 'escape' from the conditions, rather then to FIGHT to IMPROVE their conditions.

IT IS OUR FAULT that Mexico is now a failed state, and in order to REMEDY this situation we need to send all the illegal aliens (70+% are from mexico, and most of the 30% are people that came legaly but overstayed). By forcing them to undergo the proper route to citizenship, they will realize that it's not easy to get in legally and their energy will eventually get redirected towards their corrupt government. It's called TOUGH LOVE, they'll appreciate it.

In the meantime however, we have an invasion of lawless individuals that have invaded the country with the intention of selling drugs and killing anyone that tries to stop them.... if they were millitary trained, coming in up to 1000 / day, we'd call it an army. If they wore turbins we'd be talking about where to setup the new parking lot.... THIS IS a real JUST WAR... we are justified with sending the army in to clear out the areas most affected... take the line of tanks that took the only Iraqi road and have them do a long patrol of the southern border. That's at least a legitimate excuse, wars aren't supposed to be on the other half of the planet to secure resources, it's meant to be when some tribe comes and tries to take your women and children as slaves, the men are supposed to get up and stop that from happening.

People don't care about that though, people just care that there's the game on, some beer, and some sex...

The mexicans have lost the wars that laid the claim on the land.... it's been long decided, but now it seems they want it back. This is one of those times where we should all be saying 'try me'. And I'm not one that calls for wars lightly, the fact of the matter if you think it's all women and children, you're at the least deluding yourself... not only is it false, but if the mother is teaching her son how they are illegals in their own stolen land, that boy grows up to take on the fight, and his already within the gates.

I can rant on this one for a long time.
 
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Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out? Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?

Because pissing money down an infinitely deep hole is a dumb thing to do with our money.

We owe Mexico exactly ...umm...nothing.

Well, that's not true, we owe Mexico roughly thirty million Mexicans and we'd like to repay that debt as soon as possible.

There's a small need to deal with the Canadian border issue. But since Canada isn't a third world country, the proportion of illegal invaders from the North is minimal. Mexico is the real problem, and we should allow our attention to be directed elsewhere.

We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others.

Pretty stupid thing for the socialists to be doing with borrowed money, it should stop immediately. If they weren't irresponsible, it wouldn't have started in the first place.

The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico

Oh, hell, it's much much cheaper to plant land mines along our side of the electrified fence that's guarded with armed Predator Drone patrols backed up with US Army Air Calvary divisions that it is to waste money fixing a nation that has the resources to fix itself, but won't.

What we can't afford to be is the Easy Mark of the World.

We can't even afford to look like we're the EMW.

That's really a role France is best suited for.
 
“You’re never going to totally seal that border.”

Translation: "We don't have the will to do it."

This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?

Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.

The influx in illegal immigration is the child of decades of economic myopia. People compare illegal Mexicans to immigrants who come from other nations abroad and say, "Those people land here legally, why can't the Mexicans?" The answer is that they are two different kinds of immigrants and it has nothing to do with their legal status. Mexico is part of NAFTA and thus is victim to all of its inequities. American business, including factories, shove their way into Mexico and drain all the local economy, shutting down traditional businesses, and draw the workers in, paying them next to nothing; then when the tide shifts, they close up shop and move elsewhere, maybe to China. Where do all those people go then? They flee to the border with the hopes of making some American green.

I really wish people would do more research about neo-liberalism, NAFTA, and trade inequities between Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. It would reveal a lot.
 
Good post, except for the folowing:

Good hard working men and women fought long and hard for a fair pay and decent hours and standards for working conditions... we've squandered that by allowing these companies to move offshore, or hire slave labour.

We "squandered" that by failing to give the employers the ability to resist ridiculous wage demands by unions, by those same companies actually being complicit in those silly demands, and by the government and regulators taxing companies to the point where they want to escape overseas.

Since the United States is supposed to be a free country, there's really nothing the government should do to not "allow" companies to relocate overseas. What the government should have done is created a favorable environment to be competitive with offshore sites that competed for our businesses.

That's how free markets work.
 
Good post, except for the folowing:



We "squandered" that by failing to give the employers the ability to resist ridiculous wage demands by unions, by those same companies actually being complicit in those silly demands, and by the government and regulators taxing companies to the point where they want to escape overseas.

Since the United States is supposed to be a free country, there's really nothing the government should do to not "allow" companies to relocate overseas. What the government should have done is created a favorable environment to be competitive with offshore sites that competed for our businesses.

That's how free markets work.

First of all nowhere is a "free market" and I am tired of the suggestion.

Second, you've gotta be kidding about the domestic competition bit. Our North American governments created NAFTA knowing full well what it would do: take manufacturing jobs out of our hands and place them into the hands of foreign soil. It's the fundamental reason why our economy is becoming more and more service based and reliant on consumerism to survive. Our governments did it so that people in power could personally profit, and so could their business buddies. There is huge corporate lobbying surrounding liberalization treaties.

The last thing we need to do is try to compete with China in our labor laws. It would essentially require us to remove worker rights and the minimum wage, all of which are against our ethics in a democratic and free society. We should just accept that we are no longer going to be affluent in this world like we used to be, and it's our own fault because our short-sighted neo-liberal policies are what lead us down this path.
 
Do I care if you're tired?

Controlled markets don't work, as FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC demonstrated most admirably.

The reasons businesses move offshore is that it's less expensive to do their work there. The governments of the United States contributed greatly to this problem, as did the greedy unions.

So the governments and the unions got to see their jobs move off shore.

Boo hoo hoo.

That's how freedom works.

Since the answer the governments and the unions have to their little problem is less freedom, the governments and the unions can go play with themselves for all I care.

If we can't compete with China on labor costs, then we need to find some other field to play in.

Forcing the consumer to pay more because some companies can't compete without the muscle of government threat is morally wrong and economically inefficient.

Let's face it. People who's only saleable skill is putting the same door latch on the same car, day in and day out, shouldn't be getting paid a whole heck of a lot, because, realistically, their skill isn't hard to acquire, difficult or dangerous to perform, and those people are easy to replace. It's harsh, but that's the reality of life.

People that want to EARN a decent living need to learn a decent skill.

I suggest that the nation quit wasting it's children's time in school and start teaching them the math and science skills they need to move ahead in the world, not to mention teaching them real history, real english, and real economics.

The schools can do this by de-emphasizing feelings and baseless pride and focusing on real accomplishments, even if that means some of the little darlings might have their feelings hurt by not passing on to the next grade until they master the requirements of the grade their in. Us old folks called that "failure", and it was an embarassment we strove to avoid.

Can anyone wonder why a nation that abandoned excellence as it's standard has stopped being an excellent nation?

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Last time I checked, there's no authority in the Constitution for any legislated minimum wage.
 
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ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -


The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.

A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol

We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.

How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?
 
We "squandered" that by failing to give the employers the ability to resist ridiculous wage demands by unions, by those same companies actually being complicit in those silly demands, and by the government and regulators taxing companies to the point where they want to escape overseas.

Since the United States is supposed to be a free country, there's really nothing the government should do to not "allow" companies to relocate overseas. What the government should have done is created a favorable environment to be competitive with offshore sites that competed for our businesses.

That's how free markets work.

And that's why Pres. Obama has continuously called for changing the tax codes to provide incentives for U.S. companies to bring jobs back to the U.S.
 
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CNSNews.com - Napolitano:

Quote(Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, whose agency is charged with securing America’s borders, told an audience in Washington, D.C., in reference to the U.S.-Mexico border, “You’re never going to totally seal that border.”)

So in a similar vein to Joe Biden I guess they will sit on whatever laurels they imagine they have earned and do nothing further.

And you're never going to get every gram of poop out of your buttcrack with toilet paper either, but I hope you will keep doing the best you can.

I had a feeling this woman would be a lousy Homeland Security head. Sheesh. Why does Obama seem to do so MANY things wrong?
 
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Controlled markets don't work, as FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC demonstrated most admirably.
Are these the only examples you (Conservatives) can provide of so-called "controlled" markets run amuck? Until the housing market took a nose-dive, both Fannie and Freddie were applauded in the mortgage industry for their genious in creative financing. (Read the book, "Good to Great", by Jim Collins) It wasn't until other financial entities decided to latch onto their creative financing methods and greedily expand on them did the housing bubble burst! Until then, all was well in the direvatives market. Not saying that what Fannie and Freddie did wasn't wrong regardless, just saying I've grown weary of these two companies being used as the poster children of government intervention gone bad when so many other commercial businesses are equally if not more responsible for contributing to this country's economic problems.
The reasons businesses move offshore is that it's less expensive to do their work there. The governments of the United States contributed greatly to this problem, as did the greedy unions.

So the governments and the unions got to see their jobs move off shore.

Boo hoo hoo.

That's how freedom works.
But you're putting down the very problem with capitalizism and the free enterprise system. If one truly believes that a business will follow the money, then you must expect that eventually many businesses will go where they can obtain greater wealth at lower overhead costs. If so, we can expect more businesses to leave this country were cheap labor is plentiful but the cost of those goods and services will remains near fair market price. The problem here, of course, is fewer and fewer jobs will be found here in the states such is the problem we're facing today. Some, like you, have argued for years "that's just how the free market system works" which may be true, but it comes at a tremendous cost to the American workforce. Production plants and service sector jobs leave because the tax-code and increased wages allow or force them to.

Since the answer the governments and the unions have to their little problem is less freedom, the governments and the unions can go play with themselves for all I care.

If we can't compete with China on labor costs, then we need to find some other field to play in.
But what fields would those be? As we've seen from the housing bust, creative financing brought down our house of cards because we weren't playing with real money! It was nothing more than figures on a ledger. Alot of service sector jobs have been lost along with quite a few production jobs in their wake. Until the banking industry begins to feel "comfortable" again, the only other areas to truly tap into are energy, medicine and maybe micro-processing since technology stocks have continued to do well throughout the recession. Until then, I doubt this nation will see many areas of the workforce return any time soon (i.e., housing construction, road construction, banking, education).

Forcing the consumer to pay more because some companies can't compete without the muscle of government threat is morally wrong and economically inefficient.
I'm not sure where you're coming from here or where you're trying to go with these except to expand on the notion that government intervention doesn't work. I'd have to disagree with you here. There have been plenty of industries that have benefited from government intervention. The oil industry comes immediately to mind. Many energy companies as well. We won't even talk about agriculture. Maybe the government can't spur the economy in the same way as private enterprise, but to incinuate that U.S. industries haven't benefited from receiving support from the government is ridiculous and very untrue.

Let's face it. People who's only saleable skill is putting the same door latch on the same car, day in and day out, shouldn't be getting paid a whole heck of a lot, because, realistically, their skill isn't hard to acquire, difficult or dangerous to perform, and those people are easy to replace. It's harsh, but that's the reality of life.

People that want to EARN a decent living need to learn a decent skill.

I suggest that the nation quit wasting it's children's time in school and start teaching them the math and science skills they need to move ahead in the world, not to mention teaching them real history, real english, and real economics.

The schools can do this by de-emphasizing feelings and baseless pride and focusing on real accomplishments, even if that means some of the little darlings might have their feelings hurt by not passing on to the next grade until they master the requirements of the grade their in. Us old folks called that "failure", and it was an embarassment we strove to avoid.

Can anyone wonder why a nation that abandoned excellence as it's standard has stopped being an excellent nation?

To a great extent I agree with you here and apparently so does our nation's President. That's why he has continued to place great emphasis on education from the bottom up. Still, it's going to take some time to match education needs with employment (job sector) needs. The two sectors that come immediately to mind are medical and education. Nonetheless, there has been a renewed emphasis on education in this nation. People just have to start taking advantage of it.

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Last time I checked, there's no authority in the Constitution for any legislated minimum wage.
No, there isn't, but then again if we expected every little detail to be outlined in the Constitution our Founding Fathers would never have stopped writing the darn thing! Instead, they left the resposibility of governance to Congress, and as such, they write the laws of the land. Thus, they've set the minimum wage for the nation. Now, try to imagine if you will just for a moment how much of an imbalance our nation's economy would be if the states were allowed to call hourly wage earnings independent of each other? CA's hourly wages would probably be X10 higher than say MS or AL due to the fact that the later states don't have the technilogical industries to compete on a free market scale as CA. (Although Huntsville, AL, the city where I live, is a thriving technological mecca for the state.) Or you could compare NY w/CA; odds are you'd end up with the same imbalance. It's somewhat like that now but that imbalance stems from the free market system setting the price of goods and services within different geographic regions of the country based on supply and demand, not the minimum wage. All the minimum wage limit does is try to keep worker's earnings above the poverty level, nothing more. Still, I agree with you in so much as people should strive to educate themselves more so that they can make a living above the minimum wage limit.
 
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ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -


The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.

So, we should help like we 'helped' the people of Iraq and afghanistan???

With NAFTA, it's more like it 'helped' Mexico initially, many manufacturing jobs got moved to mexico, UNTIL China became the cheaper option so even Mexico could not compete under free-trade.

Also, to say that Canada 'benefitted' would be more accurately stated as 'canada was hurt less'.

A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol

Did I catch that right?? You're worried that the middle east is going to take control of Mexico???

Anyway, the wars in the middle east are abhorrent on every level... they are illegal, immoral, unwinnable conflicts that do nothing but make extreme profits for the private contractors and other similar interests.

Frankly, if we DO respond and start cleaning house, getting the illegals back to where they came from (mostly mexico) and these drug cartels try to force their way back across the border, then we'll have to talk to the leader of the country and tell him : "If you do NOT get your **** together with these drug cartels then we're going to have to come in and take care of your country for you." (Because of the pretense that if you have a 'problem' that is ignored then you are actually silently supporting / exacerbating the problem)

We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.

Decriminalize the drugs and it's a FACT that usage and abuse will decline, it decimates the profits, and so ends that problem.

How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?

You prevent it from collapsing with TOUGH LOVE. We send the people back and shut that border down as best possible and the people there will be FORCED to FIX the problems themselves or die trying. THAT is the type of determination that made America the beacon of freedom and prosperity the world over for as long as it's been. If they had failed, Americans would still be british subjects

And that's why Pres. Obama has continuously called for changing the tax codes to provide incentives for U.S. companies to bring jobs back to the U.S.

Obama's NOT going to fix this... he does not WANT to fix this... he works for the bankers that spent at least 250k + in getting him elected, he does not give two ****s about the people that gave him at best a vote and a 50$ pittance. Just like Bush before him, Clinton before that, and even the person who will come after Obama's gone.
 
So we cant mine the parts that we cant put a fence up in?

Well... the 'what must be done' will require states and / or / with individuals working together to tackle the problems. Since the federal government through their inaction on the issue have declared their position.
 
Well... the 'what must be done' will require states and / or / with individuals working together to tackle the problems. Since the federal government through their inaction on the issue have declared their position.

Theres a way that would get Mexico´s attention pretty quickly without killing anyone
 
This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?

Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.

The influx in illegal immigration is the child of decades of economic myopia. People compare illegal Mexicans to immigrants who come from other nations abroad and say, "Those people land here legally, why can't the Mexicans?" The answer is that they are two different kinds of immigrants and it has nothing to do with their legal status. Mexico is part of NAFTA and thus is victim to all of its inequities. American business, including factories, shove their way into Mexico and drain all the local economy, shutting down traditional businesses, and draw the workers in, paying them next to nothing; then when the tide shifts, they close up shop and move elsewhere, maybe to China. Where do all those people go then? They flee to the border with the hopes of making some American green.

I really wish people would do more research about neo-liberalism, NAFTA, and trade inequities between Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. It would reveal a lot.

What a load of ****ing bull****, American firms in Mexico pay more than Mexican firms in Mexico which is why they're in such demand, the same is true in India and China. Outsourcing doesn't hurt the Mexican worker it hurts the U.S. worker.
 
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Just enforce the I-9 laws.... this is largely a populace issue. The politicians have very little interest in actually changing the status quo, but rather enjoy lip service (throwing the public a bone here or there.)

The dems don't want it changed because of the voting demographic. The reps don't want it changed because business wants cheap labor. If you enforce the law and force employers to hire legals, the unemployment issue is eased and Mexicans have no reason to enter the US. Of course, business will have to pay a fair wage now, but that is what they should do.
 
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ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -


The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.

A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol

We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.

How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?

Mexico is not our damn responsibility, if you haven't noticed we have our own ****ing problems. Furthermore; I don't blame the illegals, but they are none of my ****ing concern, I blame our own government for failing to provide for the security which they are Constitutionally bound to protect and defend, and what's more they have actually become destructive of our security because they will go after people who defend their own property.
 
Just enforce the I-9 laws.... this is largely a populace issue. The politicians have very little interest in actually changing the status quo, but rather enjoy lip service (throwing the public a bone here or there.)

The dems don't want it changed because of the voting demographic. The reps don't want it changed because business wants cheap labor. If you enforce the law and force employers to hire legals, the unemployment issue is eased and Mexicans have no reason to enter the US. Of course, business will have to pay a fair wage now, but that is what they should do.

Pardon my ignorance on this one, but is the I-9 a federal law??

If so, then it's already been shown that the feds are NOT interested (regardless of the color / stripe of the president) in stopping illegal immigration...

This was all outlined in the SPP documents... the government intends to let it get SO BAD that the people give up and accept what Obama says.

This may be a stretch, but with the BP spill now threatening most all gulf states, and I've heard talk of a potential need for mass evacuations, but should that occur, can you imagine how many illegals would swoop in knowing that there was nobody around to stop them??

So, while I agree with your intention, the government has shown no interest in actually diong that though.
 
Let's hear it...

Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints

My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).

The major problem with people coming here to work and sending the money back to Mexico. If it wasn't for US dollars propping up the Mexican economy, things might have become bad enough that they would do *something about it*.

If I remember correctly; The 3rd major source of the Mexican economy is money sent back from the U.S.

You take it from there, dude
 
Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints

My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).

The major problem with people coming here to work and sending the money back to Mexico. If it wasn't for US dollars propping up the Mexican economy, things might have become bad enough that they would do *something about it*.

If I remember correctly; The 3rd major source of the Mexican economy is money sent back from the U.S.

You take it from there, dude

I actually agree with this... however, this is a multi-faceted problem, and IMO that would have an impact. Except we're now at the point where drug cartels are litterally invading US territory, and the feds are doing nothing about it... if anything they areexacerbating this as much as possible.

it really is not a bad solution, I just feel that that would have been more like a 'vaccine' to prevent the problem as it's now become rather then the 'cure' that really needs to be hammered out before this situation escalates further.

Not sure why the aggressive response though...
 
Not sure why the aggressive response though...

None intended and you are missing my point about the money being sent. Any ideas?
 
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