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After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overturn

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Groucho said:
Fortunately, the judge apparently saw through that argument and its ridiculous conclusion, at least based on the questions.

My wife and I are about to celebrate our 28th wedding anniversary. Childless by choice. Guess if the bigots have their way, our marriage would be annulled. As well as many older couples who get married after menopause.
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I truly commend your decision not to reproduce:mrgreen:
 
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texmaster said:
So what other natral way other than heterosexual sex can a woman become pregnant? Honestly I can't believe you are denying this.

Read whom you are debating. I never said "design"
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You said "natural procreation is designed exclusively for heterosexual sex", so in fact you did say it. I am not arguing that heterosexual sex was required for procreation, I am arguing that it is not designed. Evolution does not design anything.

You've already asked that and its been answered. And pray tell why does it matter?
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Not really, no it has not. It does not really matter, I just find it curious and amusing.

You've never claimed the votes have been 0-31 because of old people or religion? Are you sure about that?
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Not to the best of my knowledge. The closest I think I would come would be saying that those people are the ones most likely to vote against gay marriage, which is not placing "blame".

Its not a matter of fear. We simply need more than "they love each other" before changing a law that has been a basis in society for hundreds of years.

Why is that so hard to understand?
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So it would not be the same as marriage. I see...

That doesn't answer my question. Where did you get your facts that marriage slows down STD growth instead of simple committed relationships?
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I think I was not clear in my response. It's not marriage per se, it is monogamous relationships. I think you will agree with that. Marriage promoted stable, monogamous relationships.

Now now Redress. Let's not be coy here.

Total number of women in DOD forces2 201,575 14.6%.

Lets not pretend they are not still in the extreme minority when it comes to military service.



You made the mistake of asking why anal sex is brought up when discussing gays in the military. I've given you the reason. The vast majority of military personell are men. This isn't hard.
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So why ignore a significant portion of the military? Women are not the majority, nor have I claimed such, but they are near a quarter of a million women in the military.

Further, I asked about "people against gay marriage, or gays in the military", and you of course focused on the one least relevant to this discussion.
 
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Deuce said:
Marriage promotes monogamy. Monogamy reduces transmission.
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So you're saying a piece of paper is what keeps gay couples monogamous? OMFG how pathetic. The debate has now officially entered the realm of the absurd.
 
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Redress said:
Why is it that people against gay marriage, or gays in the military, are always so fixated on anal sex? Can some one please answer that for me?
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That joke just keeps getting funnier every time I hear it.
 
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Deuce said:
If you follow the "logic" of the anti-SSM folks, such couples should have their marriage annuled by force of government. That's exactly what they proposed of the ~18,000 same-sex marriages licenses that were issued in California.
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Hard to believe you can debate this subject endlessly, yet still have no clue what the other side's position is. Oh wait, they're all Bible-thumping troglodytes with latent homosexual tendencies. Riiight.
 
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Design requires some one doing the designing. Evolution does not design anything. Learn about evolution before making wild "proven" claims that are not all all proven, or even accurate.
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Poor choice of words on my part since I don't believe in religion or intelligent design. But if the human body evolved, it still evolved in a unique way. Food goes in the mouth, **** comes out the anus. Whether design or evolution, an anus is not a vagina in the same way that a hammer is not a saw. The two are not interchangeable. So two guys love each other. What do you want, a ****ing medal?
 
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StevenA59 said:
Poor choice of words on my part since I don't believe in religion or intelligent design. But if the human body evolved, it still evolved in a unique way. Food goes in the mouth, **** comes out the anus. Whether design or evolution, an anus is not a vagina in the same way that a hammer is not a saw. The two are not interchangeable. So two guys love each other. What do you want, a ****ing medal?
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A mouth isn't a vagina either, yet, heterosexuals do use it for sexual pleasure. Nor is the hand a vagina, and yet, well, the hand has its uses. ;)

People, love, and sexual expression are simply more complext than mere anatomy.
 
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Boo Radley said:
A mouth isn't a vagina either, yet, heterosexuals do use it for sexual pleasure. Nor is the hand a vagina, and yet, well, the hand has its uses. ;)

People, love, and sexual expression are simply more complext than mere anatomy.
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When people come forward claiming oral sex is genetic and demand marriage be centered around that, let us know.
 
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texmaster said:
When people come forward claiming oral sex is genetic and demand marriage be centered around that, let us know.
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That doesn't make a bit of difference to the argument I addressed. And while there is good evidence homosexuality isn't a choice, that really doesn't matter. (I love the choice argument because I think if it is really a choice, we all really shoulc comparison shop. Kick the tires, give it all a test drive. ;) )

So, stay focused and on point.
 
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Boo Radley said:
That doesn't make a bit of difference to the argument I addressed. And while there is good evidence homosexuality isn't a choice, that really doesn't matter. (I love the choice argument because I think if it is really a choice, we all really shoulc comparison shop. Kick the tires, give it all a test drive. ;) )
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Your own sexual gratification is your choice but to deny basic biological function and reaction is to deny reality.

So, stay focused and on point.
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I am. You want to change the law to allow acceptance of homosexuality in the form of marriage. You need more than your personal feelings to justify that change.

So, stay focused and on point.
 
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jallman said:
I haven't seen anyone in this thread actually make any claims about genetics except your irrelevant claims...soooooo, are you having a problem understanding what's being said here and need someone to take some extra time to explain it to you or are you just intent on having your own conversation despite what everyone else is addressing?
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Tried and true Jallman. Ignore the individual points made because you aren't man enough to actually argue them then pretend all threads on this subject don't exist.

Take a look around the forum, the genetic argument has been key from the far left ever since gay marriage was struck down by popular vote.

And struck down.

Then struck down again.

You need more than your feelings to justify changing the law. Try starting there since you run away from actually arguing the specific points I made.
 
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texmaster said:
Your own sexual gratification is your choice but to deny basic biological function and reaction is to deny reality.



I am. You want to change the law to allow acceptance of homosexuality in the form of marriage. You need more than your personal feelings to justify that change.

So, stay focused and on point.
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No one has ignored basic body functions. And they have nothing to do with this discussion. Humans always have sought sexual pleasure outside of bodily functions, and in accepted ways. Ways that are accept even today.

And as for the law, you need more than your personal feelings to deny others rights. How you feel about marriage cannot be imposed on others. If you don't favor same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. This is easy. No law would require you to marry someone of the same sex or go to such a wedding or even support your children if they choose to enter into one. All that is being requested is that homosexuals have the same right to marry who they love and want to spend their lifes with as you have. Gender of that person has no logical bearing on that discussion today.
 
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texmaster said:
Tried and true Jallman. Ignore the individual points made because you aren't man enough to actually argue them then pretend all threads on this subject don't exist.

Take a look around the forum, the genetic argument has been key from the far left ever since gay marriage was struck down by popular vote.

And struck down.

Then struck down again.

You need more than your feelings to justify changing the law. Try starting there since you run away from actually arguing the specific points I made.
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Actually, the genetic argument is not even one of the top 3 arguments used. Build that straw man up though, since you cannot actually argue against the real points used(eg GM is good for families, promotes social stability and so on). When you get around to arguing the points people are actually making, then we will be somewhere.
 
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Gandalf wishes to chime in again.
 
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texmaster said:
Gene already found. Enjoy

Gene for Left-Handed Trait Discovered
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And?

Is there a gene that makes you attracted specifically to your wife?

No?

Then you shouldn't be allowed to marry her.

See how stupid the genetic thing is?

Bull****. Of course we do. Kids work in stores, kids sign movie contracts, talent shows, etc.
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But we don't allow them marry until they are of age of consent. We don't allow them to do MANY things until they are certain ages. Not my rules dear, and you want to start a thread regarding dropping the legal age of consent, feel free. You'll see me backing that too.


By that argument its well known that homosexual men spread aids easier so that would fit your criteria but creating law based on a personal claim of no negative consequence isn't sufficient for a justification for changing law.
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Actually, it was your argument. I have no issue at all with allowing siblings to sign a marriage contact together.

Any more slippery slopes you want to explore instead of actually discussing the topic?
 
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I predicted in the beginning that this gay judge will overturn prop 8 as well as the radical 9th circuit......It will then go to the SCOTUS where they will uphold prop 8 by a 5 to 4 decision with justice Kennedy writing the opinion......

Book it !!!!!
 
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digsbe said:
Yes, and Californian's voted to prevent gay marriage. What is going on now is a court battle saying "well, it's really not legal in the first place to ban gay marriage." They are trying to overturn a decision made by voters because those who wanted gay marriage didn't get their way. It's legislating from the bench and it will be a defeat for democracy and freedom if prop 8 gets overturned. People can support gay marriage, but what is going on in the court is truly shameful.
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You clearly have as much understanding of the Constitution as the kitten in your avatar.

You didn't address a single argument made about the purpose of the Constitution.

It doesn't say, "Majority Wins!"

Were that the case, it wouldn't have been NEARLY as long as it is.

So, you believe that if Californians voted to send all Asians out of the state, then it should be upheld because the people said so?
 
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texmaster said:
When people come forward claiming oral sex is genetic and demand marriage be centered around that, let us know.
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I'd be willing to bet a LOT of marriage are centered around oral sex. At least all the ones that end up in divorce.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I predicted in the beginning that this gay judge will overturn prop 8 as well as the radical 9th circuit......It will then go to the SCOTUS where they will uphold prop 8 by a 5 to 4 decision with justice Kennedy writing the opinion......

Book it !!!!!
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You realize that Kennedy, while a moderate, has frequently come out on the side of gays. He wrote the opinions overturning sodomy laws in Texas and overturning Colorado's discriminatory Amendment 2. The only case where he didn't was uphold the Boy Scouts right to not hire gays (which, by the way, I agree with because they are a private organization).

So, you may be putting your eggs in a flimsy basket. Then again, so might the attorneys who took up this case in the first place.

It's clearly getting overturned in round 1 - even if it weren't unconstitutional on its merits, when the defending attorney uses, "It just is", "I don't need to know", and "I don't need evidence", you're probably not going to get very far.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
I'd be willing to bet a LOT of marriage are centered around oral sex. At least all the ones that end up in divorce.
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divorce comes from someone opening up their mouth too many times
 
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Boo Radley said:
A mouth isn't a vagina either, yet, heterosexuals do use it for sexual pleasure. Nor is the hand a vagina, and yet, well, the hand has its uses. ;)

People, love, and sexual expression are simply more complext than mere anatomy.
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TMI dude:mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
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StevenA59 said:
Hard to believe you can debate this subject endlessly, yet still have no clue what the other side's position is. Oh wait, they're all Bible-thumping troglodytes with latent homosexual tendencies. Riiight.
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yeah that's about right
 
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And the Sodomy law should have been overturned....It was bad law....What people do in the privacy of their bedroom is no ones business but their own be they straight or gay....This my left wing friend is a completely different matter as you will find out............
 
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Navy Pride said:
I predicted in the beginning that this gay judge will overturn prop 8 as well as the radical 9th circuit......It will then go to the SCOTUS where they will uphold prop 8 by a 5 to 4 decision with justice Kennedy writing the opinion......

Book it !!!!!
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His being gay isn't why he's going to overturn Prop 8. Funny how you fixate on that.

Unfortunately, I really wish I could say you were wrong, but I think this is the likely scenario. SCOTUS has a 5-4 conservative slant right now. Swing votes are possible, but it's a tough one. If Prop 8's supporters are as inept in the SCOTUS trial as they were in this one, there's a better chance, but if I were betting my life savings it would be on the bible thumpers.
 
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Honestly, what's unconstitutional about defining marriage? They just want to enforce socially liberal policies and a law suite was plan B. If it was illegal they should have had it looked at before the election. The hypocrisy with wanting to turn over Prop 8 is truly astronomical.
 
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