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Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

hazlnut said:
He didn't assault them. (unless DC has a different statutory definition)

In fact, it could be argued that they assaulted him.
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(Actually the legal / technical descripton would be assault and battery. Assault would be the threat of reaching out for the kid. Battery would be when he grabbed his wrist and later his neck)

Partisianship aside. The Congressman just did something very stupid and unacceptable. (and he knew he was staring into a camera while he was doing it. How ****ing ignorant is that...??!!!)

And then his staff rushed out a boilerplate apology. The arrogance of some of our elected officials is saddening.


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hazlnut said:
Um... do you understand the difference between assault (threat of violence) and battery (physical violence)??

It's not partisan, Rev. It's just words that you're misusing...
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Maybe you should consult someone in the legal profession. Assault is anything that is menacing. That includes the congressman's actions of grabbing the young man.
 
hazlnut said:
Um... do you understand the difference between assault (threat of violence) and battery (physical violence)??

It's not partisan, Rev. It's just words that you're misusing...
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If that congressman grabbed me like that, (assault and battery) I would have choked his ass out, and it would have been legal self defense. Seriously, what would you do if I grabbed you like the congressman did those kids?
 
Cole said:
(Actually the legal / technical descripton would be assault and battery. Assault would be the threat of reaching out for the kid. Battery would be when he grabbed his wrist and later his neck)

Partisianship aside. The Congressman just did something very stupid and unacceptable. (and he knew he was starining into a camera while he was doint it. How ****ing ignorant is that...??!!!)

And then his staff rushed a boilerplate apology. The arrogance of some of our elected officials is saddening.


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This is the kind of thing that makes me sad. Etheridge snapped and reacted poorly. He apologized and stated that nothing justified his poor response. And yet people are so blinded by partisanship they see it as "arrogant", which oddly is a favorite insult of some on the right. There is no arrogance here, only a lost temper, followed by an apology.
 
Redress said:
This is the kind of thing that makes me sad. Etheridge snapped and reacted poorly. He apologized and stated that nothing justified his poor response. And yet people are so blinded by partisanship they see it as "arrogant", which oddly is a favorite insult of some on the right. There is no arrogance here, only a lost temper, followed by an apology.
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actually he mentioned "elected officials" really didn't mention D or R.... just sayin.....
 
hazlnut said:
I see two little jerks running up to an old man and shoving a camera in his face asking a stuttering-John type question meant to provoke him.... what do you see?
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So you don't think that people have the right to question a Congressman? Why is that? What is provoking about asking a demo whether or not he supports the Presidents agenda or not?

It is pure BS. I only wish it were me that the jerk demo tried to assault and smack the camera out of my hand.....he'd look a little different today.


j-mac
 
zimmer said:
So, you are saying that asking a question of a Democrat about Obama is an assault?
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I'm saying his version of the story could go something like this:

"I was walking ALONE down the street. TWO MEN younger than me approached and DIDN'T IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. There was a LARGE CAMERA shoved in my face and they were BLOCKING MY WAY."

He felt ambushed and tried to move past them.

I love that he grabbed the little punk and made him wet his pants.... Did you hear the shaking in their voices: "It's for a project, sir.":lamo:lamo
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't know, I agree with him regarding the arrogance of many politicians. I make no distinction based on party. :shrug:
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Which is irrelevant to this discussion. Since we are discussing Etheridge, it is safe to assume that is who was being referred to, and I think it is clear that in this thread there is no evidence that Etheridge is arrogant. Do you see any evidence in this of arrogance?
 
hazlnut said:
I'm saying his version of the story could go something like this:

"I was walking ALONE down the street. TWO MEN younger than me approached and DIDN'T IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. There was a LARGE CAMERA shoved in my face and they were BLOCKING MY WAY."

He felt ambushed and tried to move past them.

I love that he grabbed the little punk and made him wet his pants.... Did you hear the shaking in their voices: "It's for a project, sir.":lamo:lamo
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Your lying. they never blocked him. he was on the egress side of his journey when he assaulted those kids, he could have simply walked away.



and you are avoiding my question.
 
Redress,

Earlier you said that you thought that the kids were being 'dicks'....how so?


j-mac
 
I'm new to the forums so you all know hazlnut better than I. But to me it looks like he is here to simply throw a wrench in the discussions. His arguments have no logic to them. So much so it just appears he's trying to cause an argument. The fact that he puts his lean as moderate just shows me that he's not being honest. His comments are so out there and completely lacking any non-bias analysis. And that's the only response to his comments I'm going to give.

As to the video. The Congressman's actions were completely inappropriate and yes more should be done than just an apology. Just imagine anybody doing this to YOU or one of your family members. It's not legal to just grab people in a threatening manner because you didn't like a question they asked you.

Why is asking if he supported the "Obama agenda" so threatening or negative anyway? All presidents have an agenda. Why would it be a problem to ask a Congressman if he supported the agenda of the president?

Also, I don't understand in anyway the people who say the kid was being a dick. You can argue that there may be a better time or place. Which is why the Congressman had the right to walk away and completely ignore them. It's not as if they followed him around harassing him. Anybody who wants to argue that it isn't right to address him outside, we could go around and around on that one forever. Because it's done on both sides all the time. Arguing about that just appears to me to be an attempt to diminish what the Congressman did. It's the BUT argument. You know, when you did something you knew was wrong but you don't want to completely put all the blame on yourself. I'm sure you've said it to your spouse 500 times.

"I'm sorry I got mad, but..."
 
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j-mac said:
Redress,

Earlier you said that you thought that the kids were being 'dicks'....how so?


j-mac
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I think he means the same way "in your face journalist" are dicks. I personally grew to hate the press in the 1st gulf war. Most of them were "dicks" and I treated them as such. These kids, while being mildly dickish imo did not deserve to be assaulted, the congressman could have kept walking.
 
Cole said:
(Actually the legal / technical descripton would be assault and battery. Assault would be the threat of reaching out for the kid. Battery would be when he grabbed his wrist and later his neck)
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Grabbing the arm and the the neck is self-defense. Ju-Jitsu! Look how beautifully he rolled the little turd to side, clearing a path for his escape. Well played, old man.

The little legal lesson I was trying to bestow upon the good Rev is that assault is not the touching part. (technically speaking)

And you can have battery without assault.
 
hazlnut said:
Grabbing the arm and the the neck is self-defense. Ju-Jitsu! Look how beautifully he rolled the little turd to side, clearing a path for his escape. Well played, old man.
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Still lying about the incident I see. Typical hazlnut. he didn't make his egress but grabbed the kid by the neck, and assaulted him.






The little legal lesson I was trying to bestow upon the good Rev is that assault is not the touching part. (technically speaking)

And you can have battery without assault.
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Criminal Law: The Elements of Simple Assault in Washington, DC | Koehler Law


FAIL


There are two forms of misdemeanor assault (that is, simple assault) in Washington, D.C. First, there is “attempted battery assault” which occurs when the defendant injures or attempts to injure another person. The second form, “intent-to-frighten” assault, is defined as a threatening act that puts another person in reasonable fear of immediate injury.
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And you are still hiding from my question. What would you do, if I grabbed you like the congressman did that kid?
 
j-mac said:
I only wish it were me that the jerk demo tried to assault and smack the camera out of my hand.....he'd look a little different today.
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That's right, you would given the old man a beat down... Then gone to federal prison.

:duel:2funny::2funny:

You guys are too much!!
 
hazlnut said:
That's right, you would given the old man a beat down... Then gone to federal prison.

:duel:2funny::2funny:

You guys are too much!!
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So not only are you ignorant of what assault is, you are also ignorant of what self defense is.... Typical.




What would you do if I grabbed you like the congressman did those kids?
 
hazlnut said:
That's right, you would given the old man a beat down... Then gone to federal prison.

:duel:2funny::2funny:

You guys are too much!!
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No, with the video in hand I would have been well within my right of self defense. It is you whom are too much.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Redress,

Earlier you said that you thought that the kids were being 'dicks'....how so?


j-mac
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Etheridge was walking down the street, trying to get somewhere when they used ambush journalism techniques(which I hate), rushing out to point a camera at him and ask him a stupid question. I don't think this is appropriate to do to any one, republican, democrat, sports figure, any one. There are appropriate ways to get questions answered and interviews, this is not one of them.
 
hazlnut said:
I see two little jerks running up to an old man and shoving a camera in his face asking a stuttering-John type question meant to provoke him.... what do you see?
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I see two student journalists on a public sidewalk asking a congressmen a simple question.

What I love about this guy and the far-rightie's response to the story is how you all talk so big about your guns and your wars and your "taking back the country" but when some old dude grabs you by the scuff of your neck, you practically wet your pants...

Classic!!:peace:peace:lamo:lamo

I think the reason the faces were blurred out is to hide the tears in the little boy's eyes when he found out the other meaning of 'gotcha journalism...' -- when your intended victim grabs you and says: "Who are you?"
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Asking a public figure on a public sidewalk a simple question = victimization in your world? Again I have to ask are you out of your ****ing mind?
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think he means the same way "in your face journalist" are dicks. I personally grew to hate the press in the 1st gulf war. Most of them were "dicks" and I treated them as such. These kids, while being mildly dickish imo did not deserve to be assaulted, the congressman could have kept walking.
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Yeah, maybe, but they could have just been trying to get some extra credit in their class by getting a short interview with a public servant.

Not unheard of....


j-mac
 
Redress said:
Etheridge was walking down the street, trying to get somewhere when they used ambush journalism techniques(which I hate), rushing out to point a camera at him and ask him a stupid question. I don't think this is appropriate to do to any one, republican, democrat, sports figure, any one. There are appropriate ways to get questions answered and interviews, this is not one of them.
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And why is asking a congressman whether or not he supports the Presidents agenda a "stupid question"? or, are you saying that these people that are PUBLIC SERVANTS too damned important to answer a question from us lowly serfs anymore?


j-mac
 
Redress said:
Which is irrelevant to this discussion. Since we are discussing Etheridge, it is safe to assume that is who was being referred to, and I think it is clear that in this thread there is no evidence that Etheridge is arrogant. Do you see any evidence in this of arrogance?
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I think that you are assuming perhaps so am I.... Perhaps we should let him explain himself and go from there.






as for the congressman, he came off as rather arrogant to me, yes. in the assault given his thinking he had the right to put his hands on the young men. yes....




Also note, the kids never blocked his progress, the guy stopped, and actually tuned back and said "who are you"?


He was as much an instigator now that I watched this again, as the kids... He clearly could have kept walking, instead he asked the kid twice "who are you" then assaults the kid.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Still lying about the incident I see. Typical hazlnut. he didn't make his egress but grabbed the kid by the neck, and assaulted him.
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Typical, Rev, still needs reading lessons.

Hey, Johnny Cochran... Read my first post re: assault - I said DC may have a different statuary definition. Did you not read that???

Stop trying to play the big shot who knows how to google and just accept that you didn't know the difference between assualt and battery until TODAY.

WHEN I TAUGHT IT TO YOU.

And you're welcome.


And you are still hiding from my question. What would you do, if I grabbed you like the congressman did that kid?
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Fair enough... Put it context.

What exactly happened?

Describe the scene...
 
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