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FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

You do that, and see how many countries side with Mexico.



And I care about this why...


It is OUR border, not any other nation's but Mexico. This is between the US and Mexico. Mexico is a ****ed up ****hole of a place that half the people who live there are dying to leave. It has a corrupt government and ecnomic system, and the hypocrits treat illegals from the rest of Latin America FAR FAR worse than we do. **** 'em.

We should send the 82nd Airborne in with instructions to secure the border and a ten-mile buffer zone. If the Federales don't like it they can damn well find out why we're the word's superpower.

Hell I'd be saying we should annex Mexico entirely and install an honest system of government, but the place is such a ****hole it would make fixing Iraq look like a walk in the park.
 
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And I care about this why...

So you want a war on our border?
You can't invade a sovereign nation, and tell them to **** off because we want to protect our border.
 
So you want a war on our border?
You can't invade a sovereign nation, and tell them to **** off because we want to protect our border.

Sure we can..... who'd stop us?
 
So you want a war on our border?
You can't invade a sovereign nation, and tell them to **** off because we want to protect our border.

Actually we can. We have more than sufficient force to do so, and the ongoing problems along our border provide more than adequate justification in my opinion.

I'm willing to compromise though. A double fence with a 100 yard gap, the gap to be thickly sewn with anti-personnel landmines, would be adequate in my opinion. It would keep the Mexican smugglers and coyotes who are terrorizing and sometimes murdering our citizens along the border, on their side of it.
 
Not at the border which if you were actually paying attention, that was the context of the thread. :roll:

Not even when they are trying to cross the border while armed and after they've already shot someone? :confused:

They've already done that. Obviously you didn't read the link I gave you.

If they were on our side, how is it the boy got killed on Mexican soil? :confused:



Sorry if they don't always advertise it.

Irrelvent to the topic. If they aren't advertising that they are armed, then they definitely haven't already killed someone on our side of the border.




A newspaper. You are claiming a newspaper is an equivilant deadly weapon with a rock.

Yes. They can easily be converted into a blunt weapon capable of causing a severe head trauma, even death, if someone knows what they are doing.

Did you actually finish high school physics?

Actually I was a physics major in college for a time.



So they can throw rocks all they want putting our people at risk and you claim we can do nothing.

Of course, I did not say that. But you can try to pretend you actually rebutted something I said in this post if you wish. It is your right to delude yourself to your heart's content.

Mr V was right about you.

That's two people who are under the misguided impression I would actually care about them having negative opinions of me. You guys should start a club. :lol:
 
I would call that "hot pursuit"

His right to engage in hot pursuit ends once teh alleged criminal leaves his jurisdiction.

Look, the little ****s got caught trying to Illegally cross the border. Some of them where placed in custody. The rest started throwing lethal objects at the arresting officers, who where in the US. The officers shot one of the little ****s and killed him. Camera footage shows 4 Mexican officials crossing the border and retrieving unknown objects. Scene is now compromised and no one will ever know what happened. It's all Bush's fault.

What would Bush have to do with it? Did he give the Border patrol jusridiction ove rMexico when nobody was looking? :confused:
 
See how many of our allies aren't our allies after that.

Oooooh...so we have a few less grabby palms extended in our faces asking for our money, our military power, etc. I don't see how that's really all that bad.
 
Actually we can. We have more than sufficient force to do so, and the ongoing problems along our border provide more than adequate justification in my opinion.

I'm willing to compromise though. A double fence with a 100 yard gap, the gap to be thickly sewn with anti-personnel landmines, would be adequate in my opinion. It would keep the Mexican smugglers and coyotes who are terrorizing and sometimes murdering our citizens along the border, on their side of it.

The only way our country could do any of that, is if we did that on our side of the border. You can't invade another country, and not expect war. How would you like the Mexican army to do something similar to us?
 
The only way our country could do any of that, is if we did that on our side of the border. You can't invade another country, and not expect war. How would you like the Mexican army to do something similar to us?

I would love for the Mexican army to try...
 
I'm willing to compromise though. A double fence with a 100 yard gap, the gap to be thickly sewn with anti-personnel landmines, would be adequate in my opinion. It would keep the Mexican smugglers and coyotes who are terrorizing and sometimes murdering our citizens along the border, on their side of it.

I've never understood why the border states never just did this on their own. They have the constitutional authority to do it.
 
The only way our country could do any of that, is if we did that on our side of the border. You can't invade another country, and not expect war. How would you like the Mexican army to do something similar to us?


Actually there have already been incidents of mexican troops crossing the border armed, and bothering US citizens.

War? Why exactly should I be afraid of war with Mexico? The Mexican army would be wiped out in about 48 hours.

I'd like to SEE them try to invade the US with a Mexican "army". :lamo

It would take about one battalion of Marines to stop them. :lamo
 
Actually there have already been incidents of mexican troops crossing the border armed, and bothering US citizens.

War? Why exactly should I be afraid of war with Mexico? The Mexican army would be wiped out in about 48 hours.

I'd like to SEE them try to invade the US with a Mexican "army". :lamo

It would take about one battalion of Marines to stop them. :lamo

It's not war with Mexico I would be worried about, but the International backlash.
 
Actually there have already been incidents of mexican troops crossing the border armed, and bothering US citizens.

War? Why exactly should I be afraid of war with Mexico? The Mexican army would be wiped out in about 48 hours.

I'd like to SEE them try to invade the US with a Mexican "army". :lamo

It would take about one battalion of Marines to stop them. :lamo

The real issue with a war with Mexico wouldn't be the Mexican military (if it even has one to speak of). The issue would be rioting and civil unrest we would have here at home from a bunch of third world border hoppers who have settled here illegally.
 
His right to engage in hot pursuit ends once teh alleged criminal leaves his jurisdiction.

Uhhhhhh...... the bullit was hot, and it pursued the perp.
What would Bush have to do with it? Did he give the Border patrol jusridiction ove rMexico when nobody was looking? :confused:

Did somebody steal your funny bone? :confused:
 
I've never understood why the border states never just did this on their own. They have the constitutional authority to do it.

Hell, Arizona can't even make a move to enforce laws that are already on the books without the media turning it into a holocaust against little brown migrant workers. Can you imagine if the built two fences and filled the middle area with landmines?
 
The real issue with a war with Mexico wouldn't be the Mexican military (if it even has one to speak of). The issue would be rioting and civil unrest we would have here at home from a bunch of third world border hoppers who have settled here illegally.

Hey...... That would make identification pretty easy. This is sounding better all the time.
 
Hell, Arizona can't even make a move to enforce laws that are already on the books without the media turning it into a holocaust against little brown migrant workers. Can you imagine if the built two fences and filled the middle area with landmines?



More cultivatable land?
 
Hell, Arizona can't even make a move to enforce laws that are already on the books without the media turning it into a holocaust against little brown migrant workers. Can you imagine if the built two fences and filled the middle area with landmines?

Ah, but there'd be no way in hell anyone could argue that this was racism. :lol:

Maybe if they used trained attack dogs instead of landmines. I seem to remember something about landmines being illegal or something like that.

And to tell you honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the State border patrol issuing shoot to kill orders for those who have already crossed the border and are actually on our side of the border when they are being shot at. It's like home invasion. If he's in the house, fire away. But you can't shoot someone who's already run out of your house, even if they turn around and start throwing rocks because you can simply close the door to escape the danger. If they try to open the door again, though, feel free to blow their head off.

I disagree with this instance only because the bullet killed someone on the other side of the border and there is no way that the authority to make that kill can exist for any US agent.

Uhhhhhh...... the bullit was hot, and it pursued the perp.

Now that's funny. :lol:

Did somebody steal your funny bone? :confused:

I didn't get it. My bad.
 
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Actually there have already been incidents of mexican troops crossing the border armed, and bothering US citizens.

War? Why exactly should I be afraid of war with Mexico? The Mexican army would be wiped out in about 48 hours.

I'd like to SEE them try to invade the US with a Mexican "army". :lamo

It would take about one battalion of Marines to stop them. :lamo

Yeah, because we've invaded dirt poor countries with little or no standing army before and it always worked out well... Vietnam, Iraq...

Let's completely destabilize the country on our southern boarder. Might as well take out an ad in every South American newspaper: Insurgents Wanted to fight the United States! It shouldn't be too hard to tell the difference between Mexican peasants and Columbian Guerrillas.

With the Mexican army fighting us, the drug cartels could overthrow the Mexican government. Super, then the boarder states would have to deal with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the new Narcokleptocracy.
 
And to tell you honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the State border patrol issuing shoot to kill orders for those who have already crossed the border

Actually, I'd like to amend this. I have no problems with the Feds doing this either, so long as they have the permission of the particular border State involved to use this policy along that particular State's border, or their assistance is directly requested by the State.

Shooting someone on our side of the border who was seen crossing it illegally is not a problem for me.

If the illegal immigrant is here already, and nowhere near the border, I disagree with shooting them.
 
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And to tell you honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the State border patrol issuing shoot to kill orders for those who have already crossed the border and are actually on our side of the border when they are being shot at. It's like home invasion.

"It's like a home invasion."

Holly ****, if that's not the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, it's just like a home invasion...:roll: Because when people break into your home, they're coming to clean it, do your yard work, and take care of your kids??!!

Just like a home invasion...:lol::lol::lamo:lamo
 
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Ah, but there'd be no way in hell anyone could argue that this was racism. :lol:

Maybe if they used trained attack dogs instead of landmines. I seem to remember something about landmines being illegal or something like that.

And to tell you honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the State border patrol issuing shoot to kill orders for those who have already crossed the border and are actually on our side of the border when they are being shot at. It's like home invasion. If he's in the house, fire away. But you can't shoot someone who's already run out of your house, even if they turn around and start throwing rocks because you can simply close the door to escape the danger. If they try to open the door again, though, feel free to blow their head off.

I disagree with this instance only because the bullet killed someone on the other side of the border and there is no way that the authority to make that kill can exist for any US agent.

I have a problem with shoot to kill orders in a situation like this...especially along a border like the southern one. I think there has to be contact with the suspected invaders established in order to determine whether or not they are invaders or hikers or whatever. Once it is established that they are invaders, you have to assume there's been a passive interaction on their part so shooting to kill would amount to an execution. However, if they refuse to identify themselves or get, in any way, hostile...shoot to kill orders would be reasonable.
 
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