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FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

You do that, and see how many countries side with Mexico.
How would this be any different? Any reason to go against America is a good reason for those douchebags.

This whole situation is getting out of hand and idiotic.

First off the, the wanted criminal kid should've never started throwing rocks at the officer. And spare me the "not a legitimate weapon" crap. Until you can tell me what kind of rocks and what frequency they were being thrown I don't buy it. Were they pebbles? Then sure. Were they baseball sized jagged things? Then they sure as hell are a legitimate weapon.

Second off, could the officer possibly have made better judgement? Yes, in hindsight. However having not been there and not seeing a full report I can think of a number of reasons why what he did was fully justified. The idiocy of suggesting its an "act of war" astounds me. [mildly sarcastic]Frankly I'd be hilariously thrilled to see Mexico take it as one because frankly it'd be nice to see a war that would end in a short amount of time again[/mildly sarcastic]

Third off, if the FBI wanted to investigate this on the U.S. border they have every right to do so. If they wanted to go onto Mexican soil they should've alerted Mexican authorities.

Fourth off, its idiotic beyond belief for their people threaten to shoot the FBI agents if they crossed over. There's nothing that's going to accomplish other than to cause a gigantic incident that would be 100% needless.

Fifth off, the people justifying or even just not having a fit over that and simply pointing guns at people on the U.S. border who continually bitch, whine, and complain about the notion of even ARRESTING people that are found coming over it let alone shooting them is disgustingly funny in a sad sad way. The hypocrisy and double standard is just as bad as the opposite side that has an issue with it but is quoted anywhere of saying they want guns pointed at anyone near the border on the other side; with the one exception of at least in their case they're not openly and transparently holding their own country in utter and complete contempt and hatred. We can't have individuals sitting on the boarder to call authorities to report a crime is happening because they're supposedly "Racist" for doing such, but its perfectly okay for threats of death and guns to be pointed at officers that are on OUR side of the border investigating an incident.
Of course, Zyph would come in and make sense of everything, like he is known to do.


See how many of our allies aren't our allies after that.
They aren't our allies if they don't agree with us defending our own border. Most of them aren't our allies anyways.

I would love for the Mexican army to try...
I'd re-enlist if someone attacked our country. Im done fighting political wars, but if we were invaded, I would stand up again to defend the US.

It's not war with Mexico I would be worried about, but the International backlash.
So your more concerned with the crying of a bunch of liberal ***** nations than the American Soldiers who would have to lose their lives defending our country? Typical liberal.

while you have confirmed for us that the nut does not fall far from the tree, just what does any of this have to do with the thread topic
Just can't stand to see a black man stray away from the liberal "woe is me the black man" norm that you liberals love to benefit from huh?

And here we have the typical liberal chastising anyone of color from leaving their destructive banner.

When are you going to call him a sell out? How about just say it and get it over with.
Exactly.
 
Or could it be the Mexicans know their citizen was wrong and they do not want our investigators to find evidence linking his "coyote" ass directly to the Mexican government.

You're getting into conspiracy theory territory.

Turn the situation around: Mexican law enforcement agents attempting to enter America. US Border Patrol should just let them come in and arrest someone? No, you people would be screaming about Mexico committing an act of war by invading our soil.
 
I'm amazed by how many people here seem to have personal administrative control over U.S. military campaigns and other personnel actions, given all the talk of "we should send troops down" to Mexico to play Rambo. Is the Secretary of Defense present?

Non-military veterans and non-infantry military veterans, are you planning on strapping on your assault rifles and leading platoons down to engage the "Mes-kins" yourselves? Or are you a lot of chickenhawks and POGs taking credit for the actions of others? ;)

Very well put. I am glad some of these idiots posting here are not running our military. Lets see who barks first.
 
Very well put. I am glad some of these idiots posting here are not running our military. Lets see who barks first.

I expect you mean who bites first... Because barking has already begun...

And quite frankly, stick some metal bars and prevent people from entering the country unless they are going through customs. How much less common sense can it be? The United States does not have an open border policy at the moment, so we should enforce it that way.

Sadly enough, the statement "I do not want you to be a "lawful city" because it's discriminating against hispanics".... is something I can never comprehend. It's being lawful and you want it to be unlawful.... Well if I ever meet one of them and they say that to me... I'll say, "Get out of our country if you hate it soo much...."

Change the policies through petitions, don't go running demands like you are holding someone on ransom....
 
Lets just say hypothetically, that a small group of civilians get shot at by Mexican soldiers on the US side of the border and those hypothetical US citizens return fire and cap half a dozen Mexicans
 
Lets just say hypothetically, that a small group of civilians get shot at by Mexican soldiers on the US side of the border and those hypothetical US citizens return fire and cap half a dozen Mexicans

Then I would say "hooray", because I am an American.

If it was the other way around, I'd say "boo hiss!" because I am an American.

I am not burdened by the need to equalize everything. I'm for us.

It's not like millions of Americans are trying to sneak over the Mexican border every year. It's not like thousands of American drug smugglers sneak into Mexico every year and endanger and threaten citizens living along the border.
 
Then I would say "hooray", because I am an American.

If it was the other way around, I'd say "boo hiss!" because I am an American.

I am not burdened by the need to equalize everything. I'm for us.

It's not like millions of Americans are trying to sneak over the Mexican border every year. It's not like thousands of American drug smugglers sneak into Mexico every year and endanger and threaten citizens living along the border.

Nope, that does not work. You are forgetting, the BP

The BP appears on the scene while everyone is still there, how would they identify who was involved?
 
I expect you mean who bites first... Because barking has already begun...

And quite frankly, stick some metal bars and prevent people from entering the country unless they are going through customs. How much less common sense can it be? The United States does not have an open border policy at the moment, so we should enforce it that way.

Sadly enough, the statement "I do not want you to be a "lawful city" because it's discriminating against hispanics".... is something I can never comprehend. It's being lawful and you want it to be unlawful.... Well if I ever meet one of them and they say that to me... I'll say, "Get out of our country if you hate it soo much...."

Change the policies through petitions, don't go running demands like you are holding someone on ransom....

I am not defending illegal immigration. There are many hispanics like me that dont appreciate the racist things said about Mexicans and Mexico on this thread. Lets just stick to the topic.
 
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I am not defending illegal immigration. There are many hispanics like me that dont appreciate the racist things said about Mexicans and Mexico on this thread. Lets just stick to the topic.

I see no Examples of Racism.
 
Agreed-

your pms are full
 
Remember, its easier to throw out the race card than actually prove it.

and it is much easier to deny the practice of racism than to recognize its presence
 
and it is much easier to deny the practice of racism than to recognize its presence

Where did I ever deny racism doesn't exist?

Oh thats right, never.

Thanks for pretending once again I said something I never have.
 
If a federal law enforcement official points a gun at a someone in the process of breaking the law it is a police action. If a Mexican federal law enforcement official points a gun at a U.S. federal law enforcement official, assuming they are both performing their legal mandates, it is a provocation of war. The two subjects are entirely different any way you look at it.

What is not going on here is racism, no matter how many times the race card is presented on the subject.
 
Frankly, mexico guards pointing guns at our border patrol is laughable. Mexico doesn't want to go to war with us but I would invite them to do so if they ever do develop a desire to die by the thousands.

I find it humorous the people that mention sending troops into Mexico. Study your history... we sent troops into mexico several times in the 1910's, to chase down Zapata and Villa. We more or less got our asses kicked every time we tried to stop a Mexican guerilla force. While we could kick their asses in a conventional war, there is a good chance we'd end up in a THIRD counter-insurgency operation
 
Actually we can. We have more than sufficient force to do so, and the ongoing problems along our border provide more than adequate justification in my opinion.

I'm willing to compromise though. A double fence with a 100 yard gap, the gap to be thickly sewn with anti-personnel landmines, would be adequate in my opinion. It would keep the Mexican smugglers and coyotes who are terrorizing and sometimes murdering our citizens along the border, on their side of it.

Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?
 
Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?



I'm okay with it.

If you're squeamish, we could lower the charge so it would just blow off a leg, though.

Heh.

My point is that the whole border situation is totally out of ****ing control, and needs to be set right by such means as are necessary. If that includes kicking the living **** out of Mexico's army and Federales and taking over a buffer zone and killing a few thousand drug cartel assholes and coyotes.... well, let's go.
 
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Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?

No, but we should add a "Tresspass at your own risk" on the fences.... /sarcasm

What we don't need is a DMZ.... What we do need is to secure our borders. A fence using metal bars is good enough to deter most. And install cameras that are automated and alert a key personnel when the motion sensors has been triggered. All are costly, but we should have done this a long time ago. Like all those social programs, it should be pumped more into defense and military. Why? Because it says so in the Constitution. "provide for the common defence" and "promote the general Welfare." Never did it say the government is supposed to "provide" the general welfare.
 
Results of policies of benign neglect and appeasement by our own government...that said, border security has always been viewed as a LE function, thus the Posse Comitatus Act has prevented our use of military troops to secure it. However, it is my opinion that border security should only be a LE function at and around established entry points, and all closed areas of the border should fall within the realm of national security - thus allowing for military resources to secure them.

You reap what you sow
 
Results of policies of benign neglect and appeasement by our own government...that said, border security has always been viewed as a LE function, thus the Posse Comitatus Act has prevented our use of military troops to secure it. However, it is my opinion that border security should only be a LE function at and around established entry points, and all closed areas of the border should fall within the realm of national security - thus allowing for military resources to secure them.

You reap what you sow


When the Mexican military points weapons at America LEOs it's time for that national guard to be patroling the border.
 
The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.

Let me throw a rock at you and I'll see you in the ****ing obituaries.
 
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