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FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

Oh wow - look at that. Hurling rocks and firecrackers.
Why didn't they just open fire and kill them all? Afterall, rocks and firecrackers are lethal force, no?

Im glad they shot him dead. If he was a Mexican on American soil here illegally and tossing ANYTHING at us he deserved to be shot. I say shot to kill ANYONE crossing the boarder illegally.
 
Yeah, because we've invaded dirt poor countries with little or no standing army before and it always worked out well... Vietnam, Iraq...

Let's completely destabilize the country on our southern boarder. Might as well take out an ad in every South American newspaper: Insurgents Wanted to fight the United States! It shouldn't be too hard to tell the difference between Mexican peasants and Columbian Guerrillas.

With the Mexican army fighting us, the drug cartels could overthrow the Mexican government. Super, then the boarder states would have to deal with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the new Narcokleptocracy.

Or we could just surrender like you want.
 
"It's like a home invasion."

Holly ****, if that's not the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

Now don't be too quick to judge. You haven't finished typing yet.

Yeah, it's just like a home invasion...:roll: Because when people break into your home, they're coming to clean it, do your yard work, and take care of your kids??!!

Just like a home invasion...:lol::lol::lamo:lamo

Really Hazl? They all come here to mow lawns and become nannies?

Ever heard of MS 13 Hazel?

http://www.alipac.us/article-topic-23.html

How about these folks Hazel? Did they die at the hands of lawn mowers or runaway baby carrages?

Crime victims of illegal aliens

Seriously your enormous ignorance is hard to swallow.
 
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"It's like a home invasion."

Holly ****, if that's not the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, it's just like a home invasion...:roll: Because when people break into your home, they're coming to clean it, do your yard work, and take care of your kids??!!

Just like a home invasion

Here is a dollar. Go and buy some common sense. :roll:
 
Im glad they shot him dead. If he was a Mexican on American soil here illegally and tossing ANYTHING at us he deserved to be shot. I say shot to kill ANYONE crossing the boarder illegally.

If the kid was on US soil - the only way to find out if he was here illegally would be question him, yes?
That wasn't done.
The only way to figure out if he was a fugitive of some type would be to question him, yes?
That wasn't done, either.

YOU might want quick-draw. But our code and regulations in place DON'T allow that. . . which is why this situation IS being investigated and his actions ARE being questioned. Quick-draw or shoot-first-ask-later is the exact thing we shoudl be discouraging if we don't want to have an all out war on our hands.

however, I think it's too late - an all out war is what we'll get.
 
If the kid was on US soil - the only way to find out if he was here illegally would be question him, yes?
That wasn't done.
The only way to figure out if he was a fugitive of some type would be to question him, yes?
That wasn't done, either.

YOU might want quick-draw. But our code and regulations in place DON'T allow that. . . which is why this situation IS being investigated and his actions ARE being questioned. Quick-draw or shoot-first-ask-later is the exact thing we shoudl be discouraging if we don't want to have an all out war on our hands.

however, I think it's too late - an all out war is what we'll get.

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Riiiiiiight. And if you ask for their papers???? You are now according to some a RACIST. And you are breaking the law!!! You CANT ask for papers. REMEMBER???
So I am all for shooting to kill. Protecting our borders.
 
not sure what your point is; can it be assumed you approve of the mexican authority's actions to prevent an outside entity's attempts to potentially contaminate the evidence of the incident?

Yeah and the Mexicans are going to run a top shelf, state of the art, by the book investigation of the crime scene. ;)
 
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Riiiiiiight. And if you ask for their papers???? You are now according to some a RACIST. And you are breaking the law!!! You CANT ask for papers. REMEMBER???
So I am all for shooting to kill. Protecting our borders.

Does that mean that the next time I get pulled over for a DOT inspection, I don't have to show them my log book cab card, driver's license, proof of insurance and bill of lading?
 
The real issue with a war with Mexico wouldn't be the Mexican military (if it even has one to speak of). The issue would be rioting and civil unrest we would have here at home from a bunch of third world border hoppers who have settled here illegally.


That's okay. We deploy the National Guard, round up rioters (with such force as seems necessary) and deport them en-mass.
 
Not even when they are trying to cross the border while armed and after they've already shot someone? :confused:

You are confused. You condoned Mexican military pointing weapons at our citizens and your claim of justification was that we shot one of their citizens and when I pointed out their citizens have murdered our own people at the border and we do not approach with guns drawn while at the board this is the best you could come up with?

If they were on our side, how is it the boy got killed on Mexican soil? :confused:

Once again you aren't reading carefully. I gave you a link where Mexicans have crossed the border and murdered our people. I suggest you actually go to that link if you have the courage to confront the truth about illegal aliens murdering American citizens.

Irrelvent to the topic. If they aren't advertising that they are armed, then they definitely haven't already killed someone on our side of the border.

Then explain the murdered people on the border by gunshot by illegals in that link. Go ahead.

Yes. They can easily be converted into a blunt weapon capable of causing a severe head trauma, even death, if someone knows what they are doing.

And how is that equal to a rock which can be thrown at a distance, needs no conversion and is at least 10 times more dense than a newspaper? Seriously you are trying to defend this worthless comparison of yours?

Actually I was a physics major in college for a time.

Then get your money back.

If you think a rock has the equal power to kill as a newspaper you weren't paying attention.

Can you point to anyone in history who was killed by a newspaper at a weapon? Anyone? I can give you thousands of people who have been killed by thrown rocks.

Of course, I did not say that. But you can try to pretend you actually rebutted something I said in this post if you wish. It is your right to delude yourself to your heart's content.

Because you left me no other conclusion. I'll ask it again, do you support our border agents protecting themselves while on the border when attacked? Yes or No?

That's two people who are under the misguided impression I would actually care about them having negative opinions of me. You guys should start a club. :lol:

Its not a question of like or dislike. Its a fact. He was right.
 
I'm amazed by how many people here seem to have personal administrative control over U.S. military campaigns and other personnel actions, given all the talk of "we should send troops down" to Mexico to play Rambo. Is the Secretary of Defense present?

Non-military veterans and non-infantry military veterans, are you planning on strapping on your assault rifles and leading platoons down to engage the "Mes-kins" yourselves? Or are you a lot of chickenhawks and POGs taking credit for the actions of others? ;)
 
I'm amazed by how many people here seem to have personal administrative control over U.S. military campaigns and other personnel actions, given all the talk of "we should send troops down" to Mexico to play Rambo. Is the Secretary of Defense present?

Non-military veterans and non-infantry military veterans, are you planning on strapping on your assault rifles and leading platoons down to engage the "Mes-kins" yourselves? Or are you a lot of chickenhawks and POGs taking credit for the actions of others? ;)

This is a debate site, opinions can be given. For all of your posts that are so negative about the US, I am surprised you still live in Arizona or for that matter the US.
 
This is a debate site, opinions can be given. For all of your posts that are so negative about the US, I am surprised you still live in Arizona or for that matter the US.

Opinions can be given. "I think military administrators should position personnel on the border" is an opinion. "I think 'we' should go invade Mexico and bomb every donkey show from TJ to Chiapas into the ground" is a false implication that the poster has some kind of personal involvement, because of the use of the possessive pronoun, and an indication of a sort of sadistic pleasure in chauvinist warfare.

As you know, I live in a semi-autonomous region of Arizona, with less intrusion from the state or federal government. And I was born and raised on a semi-autonomous region of New Mexico in the Mescalero reservation. But I'm negative about the actions of many U.S. governments, specifically the actions usually committed by the administrators of military and intelligence personnel. There is absolutely no reason why anyone here should take that as a personal offense, given that I doubt that anyone has any involvement with those people. "The U.S." is not some independent creature; what "the U.S." does is usually what the executive branch of the federal government does.
 
Opinions can be given. "I think military administrators should position personnel on the border" is an opinion. "I think 'we' should go invade Mexico and bomb every donkey show from TJ to Chiapas into the ground" is a false implication that the poster has some kind of personal involvement, because of the use of the possessive pronoun, and an indication of a sort of sadistic pleasure in chauvinist warfare.

And that last quote of course completely fabricated by you to paint your opponents with a position they never took. Its the same old song with you.

As you know, I live in a semi-autonomous region of Arizona, with less intrusion from the state or federal government. And I was born and raised on a semi-autonomous region of New Mexico in the Mescalero reservation.

This is me shocked.

But I'm negative about the actions of many U.S. governments, specifically the actions usually committed by the administrators of military and intelligence personnel. There is absolutely no reason why anyone here should take that as a personal offense, given that I doubt that anyone has any involvement with those people.

Of course it offends us because you once again take your own personal opnion and paint the entire country with the same brush. BTW, we have only one US government.

And yes many of us do know people within the intelligence community and the military so your comments dismissing the government as a who for those who love and have had loved ones die to defend it is incredibly offensive.

"The U.S." is not some independent creature; what "the U.S." does is usually what the executive branch of the federal government does.

Which is why you hate it so much. You've proven time and time again by your own statements that you have no respect for US law and want to use your own personal morality to judge law because in your mind the ethnicity of a person determines their "right" to land within the US.

That is an outdated and racist approach and those of us who believe the law was written for all races to follow equally will not allow you to distrort the facts based on personal morality.
 
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As you know, I live in a semi-autonomous region of Arizona, with less intrusion from the state or federal government. And I was born and raised on a semi-autonomous region of New Mexico in the Mescalero reservation.

Indian Reservations, lands of wasted chances and ruined futures.
 
And that last quote of course completely fabricated by you to paint your opponents with a position they never took. Its the same old song with you.

No, it's an accurate characterization of the kind of belligerent nationalism/chauvinism I see in this thread. If you don't like that, you should talk to your fellow nationalists.

This is me shocked.

There are more accurate 's' words that could be used for description here, actually.

Of course it offends us because you once again take your own personal opnion and paint the entire country with the same brush.

There's no such thing as an independent entity called "the country." The reference to the actions of "the country" is usually reference to the actions of the executive branch of the federal government, as I said.

BTW, we have only one US government.

There are various municipal, regional, and state governments and branches within them that are frequently at odds with each other and the power of the federal government. But my reference was to the people within administrations, who move in and out.

And yes many of us do know people within the intelligence community and the military so your comments dismissing the government as a who for those who love and have had loved ones die to defend it is incredibly offensive.

Everyone knows "people" that are intelligence or military personnel. Are you personally a top-level administrator that manages intelligence and military operations? Do you work in the upper echelons of the DoD? Are you stationed at the Pentagon? If you are none of those things, you have no reason to claim that you have possession of actions and campaigns ordered by those people.

Which is why you hate it so much. You've proven time and time again by your own statements that you have no respect for US law and want to use your own personal morality to judge law because in your mind the ethnicity of a person determines their "right" to land within the US.

That is an outdated and racist approach and those of us who believe the law was written for all races to follow equally will not allow you to distrort the facts based on personal morality.

My statements are intended as reciprocal, as mirrors of your own statements, to give you a taste of your own medicine and show you the consequences of the consistent application of your ideas. If you don't like the fact that consistent application of principles against immoral/illegal immigration means that Europeans should not have landed and pillaged the Western Hemisphere, you should adopt a less belligerent stance.

Indian Reservations, lands of wasted chances and ruined futures.

Right, just like the black welfare queens in Harlem, right? Poor because of their lack of hard work and self-discipline, and immoral to ask others for handouts because of their own laziness? Responsible for their own conditions?

Am I right in guessing you had a non-infantry, or more precisely, a non-combat MOS? It's usually POGs that feel that they have to compensate for something.
 
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Well, the circle jerk certainly made me see the light of day. :rofl
 
Am I right in guessing you had a non-infantry, or more precisely, a non-combat MOS? It's usually POGs that feel that they have to compensate for something.


have you served Cochise? Because if you did not, then I don't think you should be disparaging anyones service to their country. Unless ofcourse you loath the military in any capacity. Oh, and BTW I did serve, last duty station? 101st. is that good enough for you?


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have you served Cochise? Because if you did not, then I don't think you should be disparaging anyones service to their country. Unless ofcourse you loath the military in any capacity. Oh, and BTW I did serve, last duty station? 101st. is that good enough for you?


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When were you 101? My husband served in the unit for quite some time - went to Taiwan. . . looong time ago, though.
You don't have to answer.

Anyway.

Yep, Cochise, guilty as charged. I command the War Room in the Pentagon.

Unlike Mexico and other countries - our opinions actually DO have influence over our government's decisions time to time because we are constituents - our votes count, at the least, they want to be reelected = they have to do what we want sometimes. Which is the fortunate thing behind being a US citizen. A lot of other countries don't have quite so much sway over their leaders.
 
Just because we failed to react to those situations correctly, doesn't mean they shouldn't react to ours correctly.

Also, how many US nationals died in those instances?

One boy died, in how many years of this going on? Let's not blow this out of proportion. The Mexicans have been on the wrong side of this all along. How many Guatamalans are possibly getting killed at Mexico's southern border that we don't hear about. The feigned outrage of Mexico is political.
 
Right, just like the black welfare queens in Harlem, right? Poor because of their lack of hard work and self-discipline, and immoral to ask others for handouts because of their own laziness? Responsible for their own conditions?

Am I right in guessing you had a non-infantry, or more precisely, a non-combat MOS? It's usually POGs that feel that they have to compensate for something.

No, the welfare queens didn't live in semi-autonomous conditions, where as Indian's have had decades to fix their own problems and it took gambling to get anything going. IF that's the best you people can do, imagine how badly you screw up with real power?

Also, you don't need to guess my Rate, you know it. You also know I've seen combat, not a lot, I have no need to lie, but I do have the "Been there done that" t-shirt. What combat have you seen eh?
 
have you served Cochise? Because if you did not, then I don't think you should be disparaging anyones service to their country. Unless ofcourse you loath the military in any capacity. Oh, and BTW I did serve, last duty station? 101st. is that good enough for you?


j-mac

Don't you know the 101st is just the WHITE MANS TOOL for TERRORIZING THE WORLD???
 
Well, the circle jerk certainly made me see the light of day. :rofl

Redress, CC and a few others around here have thanked me and I have thanked them for posts... it's a CONSPIRACY MAN. You're just not cool enough to join the club.
 
Redress, CC and a few others around here have thanked me and I have thanked them for posts... it's a CONSPIRACY MAN. You're just not cool enough to join the club.

I've thanked Redress for a post but I didn't agree with myself for thanking her.
 
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