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FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

I can't believe I'm the first one to point this out: It was a real MEXICAN STANDOFF with Mexicans on the Mexican boarder. Pretty cool, huh? Errol Morris has to make a film about this entire event. The image of Mexican soldiers on one side of the river drawing their weapons on the FBI agents... You can almost picture Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach trying to swim across the river undercover of the mayhem.

It seems like tensions are high down there and let's hope cooler heads prevail and no one else has to die.

I can understand the FBI's urgency to collect evidence before it is contaminated. I also understand the Mexican authorities posturing for their people--drawing their weapons was overkill, but their citizens are emotional over what they probably see as the brutal slaying of a innocent youth. They probably see the FBI as trying to hide or coverup evidence. Ironically, the FBI was there to help get to the truth about what happened.
 
Frankly, mexico guards pointing guns at our border patrol is laughable. Mexico doesn't want to go to war with us but I would invite them to do so if they ever do develop a desire to die by the thousands.
 
I can't believe I'm the first one to point this out: It was a real MEXICAN STANDOFF with Mexicans on the Mexican boarder. Pretty cool, huh? Errol Morris has to make a film about this entire event. The image of Mexican soldiers on one side of the river drawing their weapons on the FBI agents... You can almost picture Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach trying to swim across the river undercover of the mayhem.

It seems like tensions are high down there and let's hope cooler heads prevail and no one else has to die.

I can understand the FBI's urgency to collect evidence before it is contaminated. I also understand the Mexican authorities posturing for their people--drawing their weapons was overkill, but their citizens are emotional over what they probably see as the brutal slaying of a innocent youth. They probably see the FBI as trying to hide or coverup evidence. Ironically, the FBI was there to help get to the truth about what happened.


 
And you show why no one takes you seriously.

This "kid" was a wanted criminal endangering our people. They responded accordingly and you want them prosecuted.

:blink:

Just why should they be prosecuted? Thinking like yours, gets law enforcement killed. They face a dangerous situation and fear pulling the trigger because they might get prosecuted by someone like you that doesn't care about their rights, their well being. You Tucker, have officially earned my utter contempt.

When was it determined that the kid was a "wanted criminal"
Before or after he was shot?

Did the patrolmen identify him beforehand?
 
And you show why no one takes you seriously.

This "kid" was a wanted criminal endangering our people. They responded accordingly and you want them prosecuted.

:blink:

Just why should they be prosecuted? Thinking like yours, gets law enforcement killed. They face a dangerous situation and fear pulling the trigger because they might get prosecuted by someone like you that doesn't care about their rights, their well being. You Tucker, have officially earned my utter contempt.

Thinking like yours starts wars. Are you suggesting our border patrol agents should make unauthorized entry into Mexico?
 
Thinking like yours starts wars. Are you suggesting our border patrol agents should make unauthorized entry into Mexico?

No! of course not!
Just *shoot* across the border

duh! :shrug:
 
If the US government had gone about this border protection the RIGHT WAY all along - NONE of this crap would be going on.


Hold on....I must ask....What is "the right way"?


j-mac
 
Save the melodramatics for someone who gives a **** about that kind of emotive nonsense, Vic.

We know you don't give a **** about American Citizens.
The border guard shot a Mexican National on Mexican soil. It's out of his jurisdiction.
More Tucker non-sense. I posted in an earlier post a link to a story of BP Agents firing into Mexico in response to danger. So you are dead wrong.
He is not authorized to do that unless his life is truly in danger, which it wasn't.
And you also are dead wrong here too. Threat of bodily harm or death authorizes our Agents to use deadly force. Helps if you know WHAT you are talking about before posting.

If they were shooting, then he would have been authorized to defend himself with lethal force. People who are unable to handle the job, should be prevented from doing the job.
And people like you should never be allowed to set the requirements of a job where life and death situations are a fact of life. You would get people killed.

If the kid was on the US side of the border, different story. But while he remaine don MExican soil, the border guard overstepped his authority to act.
WRONG, and this was covered earlier.


You say that as though I should be bothered by your contempt. Your contempt is something I find valuable. I use your contempt as evidence that I am right on the issue. If you actually agreed with me, I'd have to rethink my position, becauses it would clearly have to be flawed and irrational.

I am using Law Enforcement rules and regulations as the basis for my stance whereas you are using emotional "It was just a rock, just a kid" bleeding heart silliness and trying to make it matter that the kid was on Mexican Soil to mean anything. Guess what, it don't.

People that think like you do, get good people killed. Law Enforcement and other Gov't Agents become afraid to fire out of fear of being prosecuted by arm chair Sheriffs that haven't clue one what it's like to face real danger, to have your ass out there on the line. "Oh they did THIS wrong, they should go to JAIL!!"

The officer has seconds, if that to decide "Do I shoot or don't I" IF they don't, and are wrong, they are maimed or killed. If the do and even the slightest bit "wrong" they face **** from people like you.

You, disgust me.
 
Thinking like yours starts wars. Are you suggesting our border patrol agents should make unauthorized entry into Mexico?

And thinking like your's get our people killed.
 
and here I thought the Mexican Govt wanted an investigation.. Guess not, since the FBI cannot collect evidence and the event scene could be compromised by lack of timely collection of evidence. IMO, other than the review of the shooting no further action should be taken against the BP agent.
 
We know you don't give a **** about American Citizens.

More melodramatics.

Not a particularly effective way to present your case, Vic.


More Tucker non-sense. I posted in an earlier post a link to a story of BP Agents firing into Mexico in response to danger. So you are dead wrong.
And you also are dead wrong here too. Threat of bodily harm or death authorizes our Agents to use deadly force. Helps if you know WHAT you are talking about before posting.

And people like you should never be allowed to set the requirements of a job where life and death situations are a fact of life. You would get people killed.

WRONG, and this was covered earlier.

You realize everytime you say I'm wrong, you prove that I'm right since the positions you hold are always, universally, irrational and illogical, right?




I am using Law Enforcement rules and regulations as the basis for my stance whereas you are using emotional "It was just a rock, just a kid" bleeding heart silliness and trying to make it matter that the kid was on Mexican Soil to mean anything. Guess what, it don't.

Actually, I'm using the fact that OUR laws stop being relevent at the border of OUR country. Since he sho someone when he did not have teh legal authority to do so, he commited murder. He should be prosecuted in Mexico for his crime.

People that think like you do, get good people killed. Law Enforcement and other Gov't Agents become afraid to fire out of fear of being prosecuted by arm chair Sheriffs that haven't clue one what it's like to face real danger, to have your ass out there on the line. "Oh they did THIS wrong, they should go to JAIL!!"

I only see a criminal act here. Where's the good person you speak of that I'm trying top get killed?


The officer has seconds, if that to decide "Do I shoot or don't I" IF they don't, and are wrong, they are maimed or killed. If the do and even the slightest bit "wrong" they face **** from people like you.

He doesn't have legal authority to shoot someone in Mexico. He should be brought up on charges in Mexico.

You, disgust me.

That's nice. :mrgreen:
 
Actually, I'm using the fact that OUR laws stop being relevent at the border of OUR country. Since he sho someone when he did not have teh legal authority to do so, he commited murder. He should be prosecuted in Mexico for his crime.

Actually, I think the prosecution of the crime would begin at the point of origin for the criminal activity.

Either way, I don't think it's very wise to advocate handing over our military and security personnel to other countries for prosecution under their civilian laws.
 
The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

If you really meant that then you should have no problem with pointing our weapons at Mexicans consdiering how many Americans they have killed.

Crime victims of illegal aliens

They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.

How is a rock being thrown not a legitmate weapon? Can you kill with a rock? Think before responding.
 
Actually, I think the prosecution of the crime would begin at the point of origin for the criminal activity.

I'm not realy sure how it works, to be honest. It's an interesting issue that I will look up when I have more time.

Either way, I don't think it's very wise to advocate handing over our military and security personnel to other countries for prosecution under their civilian laws.

Good point. The prosecution should occur in the US.
 
You know, Mexico is getting mighty uppity.


I think we need to kick their ass and remind them who the **** is who again.

Given the tension on the border, I propose that the 82nd Airborne be sent to annex a "buffer zone", from the US border to ten miles into Mexico. The buffer zone will be under martial law; no Mexican forces will be allowed in the buffer zone; anyone in the buffer zone is allowed to leave and move into the rest of Mexico, anyone who stays had better behave: the rules of engagment will be, shall we say, very liberal.

After all, we have to protect our citizens along the border. Its fer the chirren, and stuff. :slapme:
 
Save the melodramatics for someone who gives a **** about that kind of emotive nonsense, Vic.

The border guard shot a Mexican National on Mexican soil. It's out of his jurisdiction. He is not authorized to do that unless his life is truly in danger, which it wasn't. If they were shooting, then he would have been authorized to defend himself with lethal force. People who are unable to handle the job, should be prevented from doing the job.

If the kid was on the US side of the border, different story. But while he remaine don MExican soil, the border guard overstepped his authority to act.

Here again we don't really know what happened yet.

A U.S. official close to the investigation says a video shows what appear to be four Mexican law enforcement agents crossing the border, picking up an undetermined object and returning to Mexico. The official says on condition of anonymity the video shows the Border Patrol agent who shot the boy never entered Mexico.

El Paso Border Patrol shooting murky - Yahoo! News

Most likely we won't ever know what happened, even if that tape is released.
 
If you really meant that then you should have no problem with pointing our weapons at Mexicans consdiering how many Americans they have killed.

Crime victims of illegal aliens

We already do point weapons at them.

Now if they actually kill someone on our side of the border and then try to come over to our side, (as was the case here) They shouldn't be warned by meerely pointing the weapon at them.

They should be shot the moment they cross over the border while armed.


How is a rock being thrown not a legitmate weapon? Can you kill with a rock? Think before responding.

I can kill someone with a newspaper. If I'm on one side of the border and the person I'd wish to kill with the newspaper is on the othe rside and all the person needs to do to prevent me from killing them with the newspaper is merely step away from my very limited kill-range while pointing their gun at me in order to get me to stop, then they should do so before they shoot.

If I actually cross the border to prevent them form getting out of my kill range, they should feel free to shoot.
 
You know, Mexico is getting mighty uppity.


I think we need to kick their ass and remind them who the **** is who again.

Given the tension on the border, I propose that the 82nd Airborne be sent to annex a "buffer zone", from the US border to ten miles into Mexico. The buffer zone will be under martial law; no Mexican forces will be allowed in the buffer zone; anyone in the buffer zone is allowed to leave and move into the rest of Mexico, anyone who stays had better behave: the rules of engagment will be, shall we say, very liberal.

After all, we have to protect our citizens along the border. Its fer the chirren, and stuff. :slapme:

You do that, and see how many countries side with Mexico.
 
We already do point weapons at them.

Not at the border which if you were actually paying attention, that was the context of the thread. :roll:

Now if they actually kill someone on our side of the border and then try to come over to our side, (as was the case here) They shouldn't be warned by meerely pointing the weapon at them.

They've already done that. Obviously you didn't read the link I gave you.

They should be shot the moment they cross over the border while armed.

Sorry if they don't always advertise it.


I can kill someone with a newspaper.

A newspaper. You are claiming a newspaper is an equivilant deadly weapon with a rock.

Did you actually finish high school physics?

If I'm on one side of the border and the person I'd wish to kill with the newspaper is on the othe rside and all the person needs to do to prevent me from killing them with the newspaper is merely step away from my very limited kill-range while pointing their gun at me in order to get me to stop, then they should do so before they shoot.

If I actually cross the border to prevent them form getting out of my kill range, they should feel free to shoot.

So they can throw rocks all they want putting our people at risk and you claim we can do nothing.

Mr V was right about you.
 
This whole situation is getting out of hand and idiotic.

First off the, the wanted criminal kid should've never started throwing rocks at the officer. And spare me the "not a legitimate weapon" crap. Until you can tell me what kind of rocks and what frequency they were being thrown I don't buy it. Were they pebbles? Then sure. Were they baseball sized jagged things? Then they sure as hell are a legitimate weapon.

Second off, could the officer possibly have made better judgement? Yes, in hindsight. However having not been there and not seeing a full report I can think of a number of reasons why what he did was fully justified. The idiocy of suggesting its an "act of war" astounds me. [mildly sarcastic]Frankly I'd be hilariously thrilled to see Mexico take it as one because frankly it'd be nice to see a war that would end in a short amount of time again[/mildly sarcastic]

Third off, if the FBI wanted to investigate this on the U.S. border they have every right to do so. If they wanted to go onto Mexican soil they should've alerted Mexican authorities.

Fourth off, its idiotic beyond belief for their people threaten to shoot the FBI agents if they crossed over. There's nothing that's going to accomplish other than to cause a gigantic incident that would be 100% needless.

Fifth off, the people justifying or even just not having a fit over that and simply pointing guns at people on the U.S. border who continually bitch, whine, and complain about the notion of even ARRESTING people that are found coming over it let alone shooting them is disgustingly funny in a sad sad way. The hypocrisy and double standard is just as bad as the opposite side that has an issue with it but is quoted anywhere of saying they want guns pointed at anyone near the border on the other side; with the one exception of at least in their case they're not openly and transparently holding their own country in utter and complete contempt and hatred. We can't have individuals sitting on the boarder to call authorities to report a crime is happening because they're supposedly "Racist" for doing such, but its perfectly okay for threats of death and guns to be pointed at officers that are on OUR side of the border investigating an incident.
 
There doesn't seem to be much doubt that the bullet entered mexico, though.

I would call that "hot pursuit"

Look, the little ****s got caught trying to Illegally cross the border. Some of them where placed in custody. The rest started throwing lethal objects at the arresting officers, who where in the US. The officers shot one of the little ****s and killed him. Camera footage shows 4 Mexican officials crossing the border and retrieving unknown objects. Scene is now compromised and no one will ever know what happened. It's all Bush's fault.
 
You do that, and see how many countries side with Mexico.

What? The rest of South America? Now I'm scared. :mrgreen:

Wouldn't happen anyway. Have you seen the way Mexico treats Illegal Aliens from South America? I think Mexico would find it's self in a 2 front war.
 
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