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Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

No, not because a knife is not in the picture, but if this is really a policy of the news agency, if they have done it a time after time, then by no means is that simply a minor influence.

Let's take the commercials industry for example. As you may know, in the commercials industry, it's all about convincing the viewer that the product is right for him.
How do they do it? Through the small details, such as the background color.

Perhaps, I can see your logic and I acknowledge it may be the case. And regardless if it works or not, if it is the policy of the paper that should reflect poorly on them.
 
This is retarded. Are you seriously thinking this wasn't done for humor?

did you know gullible is not in the dictionary either? :lamo

Are you seriously saying that the O'Rielly clip was done in humour? Where was the joke in the discussion about the singers sexual orientation? Let me guess ... you did not even take a look at the clip.
 
Eh? What are you drinking? The cropping is not comical lol. They just show half the picture for god sake, cutting out the mouth on mouth action. There is no putting cropped heads on dogs or other things...... Talk about distorting the facts on your end.. gezz.
Yes it is, go watch the video from your source that you posted. Plus they weren't hiding any facts and it was reported on what seemed to be a comical morning show on FoxNews. And yes, they cropped one of the heads to a dog and the other head was cropped to the dog's owner. Watch the video from this source that you posted Fox News Gives NY Times Reporters Yellow Teeth, Big Nose

Plus, at the bottom of the website I clicked on where they got their source and it redirected me here Media Matters for America You do realize that Media Matters is an openly biased organization that exists to trash conservatives right? You talk about trust issues with the media, but Media Matters is blatantly untrustworthy as their very goal is to trash conservative media with spin and lies of their own.
 
Are you seriously saying that the O'Rielly clip was done in humour? Where was the joke in the discussion about the singers sexual orientation? Let me guess ... you did not even take a look at the clip.



Honestly I don't look at much of what you post. :shrug:


Have anything on the reporting not opinion journalists so we can compare apples to apples?


Probably not, because your entire agenda is to deflect from the subject at hand to whine about right wingers or fox news. :shrug:
 
No no, let me correct: you believe that you get reports from both sides. You believe that you make up your own minds.

No, I dont believe a word of what I get from both sides and that is my point. I am sceptical of BOTH sides. You and your cohorts are not.

Like it or not there is a massive propaganda battle going on by the IDF and the Palestinians and distorting the facts, hiding the facts and worse is the normal practice of both sides. And considering the track record of the IDF and Israel on the "truth" on many subjects then their credibility is not very high. Time and time again the IDF has been caught in lieing, whether it is in torture, human shields or using white phosphorous and even editing footage to show that someone on the ship in question said "go back to Auschwitz" or whatever it was. Point is, dont trust the IDF, dont trust the other side either...
 
. Like it or not, people have a right to defend themselves when being attacked by armed thugs in international waters..

Yes, the IDF DID have the right to defend themselves against the armed thugs attacking them.

Good to have that one cleared up.
 
Honestly I don't look at much of what you post. :shrug:


Have anything on the reporting not opinion journalists so we can compare apples to apples?


Probably not, because your entire agenda is to deflect from the subject at hand to whine about right wingers or fox news. :shrug:

LOL you actually played the "opinion journalist" card... the get out of the debate free card... pathetic.
 
Yes, the IDF DID have the right to defend themselves against the armed thugs attacking them.

Good to have that one cleared up.

And yes the people on the boat DID have the right to defend themselves also. Good you agree with that.
 
Yes it is, go watch the video from your source that you posted. Plus they weren't hiding any facts and it was reported on what seemed to be a comical morning show on FoxNews. And yes, they cropped one of the heads to a dog and the other head was cropped to the dog's owner. Watch the video from this source that you posted Fox News Gives NY Times Reporters Yellow Teeth, Big Nose

Plus, at the bottom of the website I clicked on where they got their source and it redirected me here Media Matters for America You do realize that Media Matters is an openly biased organization that exists to trash conservatives right? You talk about trust issues with the media, but Media Matters is blatantly untrustworthy as their very goal is to trash conservative media with spin and lies of their own.

NICE, you totally ignore the first link then... why do you do that? Oh yea, it proves my point..

As for media matters, so what. Are you denying that Fox News did NOT change the pictures? That a supposed serious news channel is using self doctored pictures in its reporting and shows? tsk tsk..
 
And yes the people on the boat DID have the right to defend themselves also. Good you agree with that.

THey weren't defending themselves -- they were attacking.

This should be obvious to anybody with a functioning brain, especially since the unedited videos showed just that and the other boats involved did not share this same experience.
 
Hey not my fault your media are pathetic in reporting the facts. That the US media gobbles up every word the IDF states is not my fault. Ever heard of balanced reporting? We get that in Europe.. we get reports from both sides and get to make up our own minds.

ROTFLMFAO... Europe is one big socialist propaganda sewer pipe.
Balanced news?
You have to be ****ing joking. There are spots of sanity, but way too few.

Just look at your reaction to FOX... that tells us where your head is.
Typical myopic Euro.

Fact is, you folks have been on the wrong side of just about every major issue since the end of WWII.
How is that?
Brilliant reporting to the citizens of the incontinent?
By Euro's I do not mean the British.

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NICE, you totally ignore the first link then... why do you do that? Oh yea, it proves my point..

As for media matters, so what. Are you denying that Fox News did NOT change the pictures? That a supposed serious news channel is using self doctored pictures in its reporting and shows? tsk tsk..

I think you are ignoring the content of my posts and deflecting... Your first link was to a youtube video about O'Reilly talking about Adam Lambart being gay. Please address the content of my post and stop dancing around it.

You posting Media Matters shows hypocrisy in the fact that you talk about trusting sources and media (like the IDF and FoxNews) but you are all too willing to trust an openly biased and lying source that's sole purpose for existence is to bash conservative media. I am not denying that FoxNews didn't change the picture, but they didn't change the picture to alter facts and it was during a humor session on a morning show. This is not equal to cropping a picture to hide the facts and to shape one's opinion on an issue. Regardless, the issue is not about FoxNews, the issue is about Reuters and their editing of pictures and doing so to hide facts.
 
LOL you actually played the "opinion journalist" card... the get out of the debate free card... pathetic.




I guess explaining to you news reporting like reuters, and opinion nincompoopery journalism would be a waste of time with you. :shrug:
 
By Euro's I do not mean the British.

The Brits opted out of th Euro for a reason. I don't think they consider themselves to be a part of the same Europe as everyone else. :D
 
I think you are ignoring the content of my posts and deflecting... Your first link was to a youtube video about O'Reilly talking about Adam Lambart being gay. Please address the content of my post and stop dancing around it.

No you are. You seem to be ignoring the O'Rielly clip totally and focusing on the picture altering bit of the second link.. why is that? I dont care that they changed the pictures of two New York Times reporters for "fun" on a supposed serious news channel.. the very fact that they DID do it shows that they are not beneath altering content to promote a view. But back to the O'Rielly clip.. why are you ignoring that? Do you deny that Fox News cropped a picture of two gay men kissing so that the picture only shows the top of their heads and nothing of the mouth to mouth action? And why did they do that? To hide the facts? To spare its viewers of the shock that there are homosexuals? Why?

You posting Media Matters shows hypocrisy in the fact that you talk about trusting sources and media (like the IDF and FoxNews) but you are all too willing to trust an openly biased and lying source that's sole purpose for existence is to bash conservative media.

No I dont trust Media Matters, but I do trust my eyes and ears. Media Matters provides a service to expose conservative media especially for its hypocrisy and lies. Now you might not like that, but that is how it is. If Conservative media was so freaking perfect, then Media Matters would not have so much on it to be critical off. Does Media Matters go after other news organisations as well? Yes or no? Does media matters not back up its accusations with evidence? Yes or no? Is mediamatters always right, perfect and even fair in its accusations? no of course not, hence each accusation has to be reviewed individually and taken in context to the media source in question.

I am not denying that FoxNews didn't change the picture, but they didn't change the picture to alter facts and it was during a humor session on a morning show.

And Reuters did not change the picture to alter the facts. There are plenty of other footage showing the activists armed. Reuters admitted they made a mistake, and that it was not deliberate. The fact that the knife is at the outer edges of the picture means that an accident of doing such a thing while cropping a picture for mass distribution can happen. After all the picture was of an injured IDF tropper not, of a guy holding something at the outer edge of the picture. Now with Fox News, they deliberately changed the pictures to mock a competitors reporters. HUGE difference.

This is not equal to cropping a picture to hide the facts and to shape one's opinion on an issue.

First off they are not hiding any facts. They admit they made a mistake and changed it fast. Secondly it is a well known fact that the people on the boat had armed themselves with whatever they could find. Suddenly defending yourself is wrong?

Regardless, the issue is not about Fox News, the issue is about Reuters and their editing of pictures and doing so to hide facts.

And they did not hide facts. Only Fox News (and the pro-Israeli propaganda machine) is promoting this angel. Hence it is very much about Fox News and its motives and its own history on the subject.
 
The Brits opted out of th Euro for a reason. I don't think they consider themselves to be a part of the same Europe as everyone else. :D

No, the Brits did not opt out of the Euro. They did not opt IN... big difference.
 
How can the Euro's be so perfectly wrong on major issues time after time after time?
Couldn't be their world view?
Couldn't be the sludge passed off as news day after day could it?

Yes it could.

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U.S. diplomat's view of Europe

Martin Walker
Published 11/14/2002

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"You want to know what I really think of the Europeans?" asked the senior State Department official. "I think they have been wrong on just about every major international issue for the past 20 years."

"They told us they could fix the Bosnian mess all on their own. Wrong."

"They told us the Russians would never accept NATO enlargement. Wrong."

"They told us that the Russians would never accept National Missile Defense. Wrong."

"They told us that if we withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972 the whole structure of international arms control agreements would come crashing down. Wrong."

"They told us that the Kyoto Protocol was a good and worthwhile treaty, more than just cosmetics. Wrong."

"They told us that the European Union's new common security and defense policy would improve the military abilities of the NATO allies in Europe. Wrong."

"These were also the people who were wrong about Ronald Reagan and the Evil Empire, the same 'friends' who helped vote us off the United Nations Human Rights Commission. These are the people who whine about our farm bill when they are the world's prime protectionists. They are not just repeatedly wrong; they are also a bunch of hypocrites. So why should we pay attention to a single thing they say?"

The official, a career diplomat who speaks fluent French and likes to vacation in Italy, sat back and took an appreciative sip from his glass of good red wine from Bordeaux.

"One more thing," he added. "Whenever I use the word Europeans, I don't mean the Brits."

It was perhaps the most interesting and informative off-the-record lunch this reporter had attended in some three decades in the news business. The speaker was not a political appointee with a cursory knowledge of international affairs, but a professional and highly experienced foreign service officer with a wide rangeof friends and contacts across Europe.

He is a cultivated and courteous man, but he was angry, in that dangerous way quiet men can be. And the unveiled contempt in his voice and the curl of his lip whenhe drawled out the word "Europeans" said as much for the depth of his feelings as his bitter rhetoric.

Europeans do not yet get this, the great sea change that has taken place in the American foreign policy establishment. It would be easy to date this from the terrorist attack on September 11, but it goes back further. I can recall hearing the first faint notes of this leitmotif of American contempt, like the distant hunting call in some Wagnerian opera that foreshadows the musical thunder to come, during the Bosnian crisis in 1993-95.

Perhaps we should have recognized hints of it back in the 1980s, over the sanctions against the Siberian gas pipeline and over "Star Wars." Most European diplomats dismissed these arguments at the time as clumsy Reaganism, the embarrassing kinds of excess to be expected from provincial American politicians. Doubtless, they smugly assured one another, Mr. Reagan's crudities would soon be tamed by their good friends in the foreign policy establishment: the State Department; the Council on Foreign Relations; and the op-ed pages of the New York Times and The Washington Post.

Well, the Europeans may still be able to count on the sympathies and cultural deference of many East Coast journalists, but something has shifted among the diplomats, the think tanks and even many of the academics. At a think-tank meeting last week, when a European diplomat asked rather patronizingly what all these American weapons were actually for, a renowned liberal academic simply quoted Kipling's line about "Making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep." And then he turned on his heel and walked away.

America's foreign policy establishment is composed largely of people who seldom pay much attention to military matters, but since the Kosovo war, they have come to appreciate the vast disparities between the U.S. armed forces and the rest. It is now widely understood that of all the Europeans, only the British can begin to fight on the same modern battlefield as the hugely expensive and technologically advanced American forces. The rest of the Europeans are so many free riders on the readiness of American taxpayers to spend twice as much as Europeans on what remains the common defense.

That is the background to the NATO summit that opens next week in Prague. It should be a triumphant coda to the grand achievement of the Atlantic alliance at the end of the Cold War, the fulfillment of the first President George Bush's stirring call to "a Europe whole and free." But, unless the Europeans recognize the glitter of contempt in the American eye and the new resolve that lies behind it, it may become NATO's epilogue.

And we should follow these fools?
Not.
They are constantly wrong.
Add Iraq to the mix, and their reaction after the "Hate Boat" was inspected.

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So those were really ugly women Adam Lambert was kissing and Fox news cropped the photos to make it look like he was kissing dudes? Or he just had his face pressed against another dudes face and no kissing and Fox news cropped the photos to make it look like he was kissing dudes? Is that why Fox cropped those photos?

Fox News distorting pictures

Fox News Gives NY Times Reporters Yellow Teeth, Big Nose

Seriously, the fake outrage against Reuters by Fox News and the conservative right, when their own media organisation in Fox News does it constantly is.... so ironic, not to mention highly biased for the "fair and balanced" network.

Fox News was trying to make those NYtimes reporters look like smokers,heavy coffee,soda or tea drinkers, British or European? Yes it was wrong on Fox News part to try to make NYtimes reporters look like heavy coffee,soda or tea drinkers, British or European. So you do admit that altering photos does have a purpose of trying to portray something that is not real.
 
With all this FOX News bashing taking place, we may have to send out a search party for Hazlnut. He's missing a golden opportunity here to deflect and ignore the OP by bashing FOX for reporting a story - and quite accurately at that.
 
I dont know if it was done intentionally or not but one question I do have to ask is how does including or excluding a knife mean they are trying to cast Israel in a bad light? .... So if it was the intention of Reuters going into this story to report it in a manner biased against Israel, cutting out a knife that could have come from anywhere doesn't really mean that much.

As far as I know, "humanitarian aid workers" don't typically carry combat knives. Most of the media have been trying to portray the ship that was invaded as a humanitarian aid supplier- having a combat knife in the hand of one of the ship workers tends to take away the validity of the humanitarian angle of the story.
 
As far as I know, "humanitarian aid workers" don't typically carry combat knives. Most of the media have been trying to portray the ship that was invaded as a humanitarian aid supplier- having a combat knife in the hand of one of the ship workers tends to take away the validity of the humanitarian angle of the story.

Hamas supported humanitarian workers carry knives.

What I don't understand is how it could have gotten this far?
Wasn't Obi supposed to fix this Israeli-Palestinian thing?
Seeing as he hasn't... it's all Obi's fault.

Isn't that how the game is played... I think I learned those rules during the Bush years.
Bush did nothing (after Clinton had Ehud Barak give everything and then some... and Arafat wanted more)... and got smacked... where's the chorus about Obi being useless... yet again?
 
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Absolutely intentional. Really makes you wonder about what they've done before and not been caught.

Of course it was. Gotta love little Green Footballs. They are really good at busting this kind of stuff.
 
So back on topic... How does everything think the removal, or addition, of that knife from the picture could possibly influence anyone's opinion in any way?
From what I can see, they cropped stuff from all four sides of the picture. That may be for some formatting issue. I suspect that photographs of all sorts are routinely cropped for formatting issues everyday.
 
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