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Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

Apocalypse said:
Israel doesn't do any of those.
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Torture

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture

So they have tortured. The allegations of torture still come out, and considering that Israel admits it once used torture, it is not a big stretch to believe they still do it.

Human shields.

B'Tselem - Human Shields - 20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Israel Probes "Human Shield" Allegations - CBS News

Israel used Palestinian as human shield - Israel-Palestinians- msnbc.com

Israel accused of using Palestinian children as human shields | World news | guardian.co.uk

Human rights organisations have being saying for over a decade that Israel uses human shields, and Isreal denied this until AP caught the IDF using a ... human shield.
 
So back on topic... How does everything think the removal, or addition, of that knife from the picture could possibly influence anyone's opinion in any way?
 
PeteEU said:
The IDF admits it tortures and has been caught on camera using human shields. As for the definite proof of Hamas ... where?

And how about not trusting ANY of them?
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You are wrong, we have video evidence of Hamas using torture and human shields, here's video proof YouTube - Hamas using children as human shield
Why can't we trust the IDF though? Again, Israel is a liberal democracy that gives equal rights to all it's citizens, why can't we trust a nation like that? If we can't trust Israel or Hamas, then we trust no one. Why should we trust Turkey on the flotilla issue either?
 
PeteEU said:
Torture

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture
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Read my comment.
I didn't say that Israel didn't torture in the past. The majority of the world nations did.
Right now Israel has strict laws against torturing, it doesn't torture, your attempt to paint it as if it does is inherently false.
Human shields.

B'Tselem - Human Shields - 20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Israel Probes "Human Shield" Allegations - CBS News

Israel used Palestinian as human shield - Israel-Palestinians- msnbc.com

Israel accused of using Palestinian children as human shields | World news | guardian.co.uk

Human rights organisations have being saying for over a decade that Israel uses human shields, and Isreal denied this until AP caught the IDF using a ... human shield.
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As I said, Israel severely punishes soldiers that use the neighbor procedure.
Israel however does not use human shields. It has no such orders and no such policy.
You are referring to individual soldiers that have done it.
Besides that all of your links are referring to one single incident.

A British soldier has slaughtered a whole Iraqi family a few years ago.
Does that mean that Britain has a policy to slaughter Iraqi families? No it does not.

Once more, Israel doesn't torture and it doesn't use human shields.
Now that you've been pointed out at that you should consider to stay on topic.
 
Apocalypse said:
But let us center on the Reuters cropping anyway.
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The cropping is quite consistant with the editorial policy and style of rhetoric, both of which indulge in shaping opinion more than reporting facts. If you study the use of verbs by taking into account active vs. passive tense, study the use of adjectives in terms of the emotional response they deliver, look at what they omit in their reports vs. what they include, notice how the issues are framed, and look at the way they portray cause and effect, it all adds up. The bias is clear.
 
Gardener said:
The cropping is quite consistant with the editorial policy and style of rhetoric, both of which indulge in shaping opinion more than reporting facts. If you study the use of verbs by taking into account active vs. passive tense, study the use of adjectives in terms of the emotional response they deliver, look at what they omit in their reports vs. what they include, notice how the issues are framed, and look at the way they portray cause and effect, it all adds up. The bias is clear.
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I would love to see an analysis of that, not because I doubt you don't get wrong, I just want to know if you have a link to one or can provide it.

And Petey, I love you man but all the "Well they do it" arguments doesn't really prove or support anything, FOX may be a hypocrite for talking about cropped photos, but it doesn't make what Reuters did any less true.
 
Wiseone said:
So back on topic... How does everything think the removal, or addition, of that knife from the picture could possibly influence anyone's opinion in any way?
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You can't figure that out on your own?

It should be obvious. The fantasy being sold is that the big, bad Joos just killed all these defenseless "humanitarians". Dishonest propagandists here have called it an "execution style" killing. Removing the knife from the hand of the Islamist in question supports this fantasy. So does the refusal to show the original footage of what actually happened.
 
Gardener said:
The cropping is quite consistant with the editorial policy and style of rhetoric, both of which indulge in shaping opinion more than reporting facts. If you study the use of verbs by taking into account active vs. passive tense, study the use of adjectives in terms of the emotional response they deliver, look at what they omit in their reports vs. what they include, notice how the issues are framed, and look at the way they portray cause and effect, it all adds up. The bias is clear.
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I think that if this was occurring only once I'd let it go, but Reuters has done that three times - which pretty much makes it very likely that there is a political agenda behind those actions.
 
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Wiseone said:
I would love to see an analysis of that, not because I doubt you don't get wrong, I just want to know if you have a link to one or can provide it.

And Petey, I love you man but all the "Well they do it" arguments doesn't really prove or support anything, FOX may be a hypocrite for talking about cropped photos, but it doesn't make what Reuters did any less true.
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Not it does not I admit that. Reuters should not have done it. But the credibility of the whistle blower and the motive is very much an issue here. It is not like Fox News is unbiased on this issue is it now...And that is what is the problem. This case is being blown out of proportions because it happens to fit in the Fox News view of that media are biased against Israel and that is rich coming for a news organisation that is biased FOR Israel and highly biased on all other fronts.
 
PeteEU said:
Fox News cropping pictures.

YouTube - The O'Reilly Factor - Adam Lambert gay?

Fox News distorting pictures

Fox News Gives NY Times Reporters Yellow Teeth, Big Nose

Seriously, the fake outrage against Reuters by Fox News and the conservative right, when their own media organisation in Fox News does it constantly is.... so ironic, not to mention highly biased for the "fair and balanced" network.
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If you watched the video from one of your sources you can see the cropping was done to be comical as they put their cropped heads on dogs and other things. This is nothing like hiding facts or cropping out things one's worldview is uncomfortable with admitting is in the picture.
 
Gardener said:
You can't figure that out on your own?

It should be obvious. The fantasy being sold is that the big, bad Joos just killed all these defenseless "humanitarians". Dishonest propagandists here have called it an "execution style" killing. Removing the knife from the hand of the Islamist in question supports this fantasy. So does the refusal to show the original footage of what actually happened.
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But like I said in any earlier post, you can't tell who is holding it, which side he was on, or where that knife came from. If there goal was to report with a biased against Israel they probably couldnt have picked a more insignificant thing in my opinion to doctor. I'm just not convinced its a big conspiracy, especially one the company as a whole is running.
 
digsbe said:
If you watched the video from one of your sources you can see the cropping was done to be comical as they put their cropped heads on dogs and other things. This is nothing like hiding facts or cropping out things one's worldview is uncomfortable with admitting is in the picture.
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Thanks for pointing that out, you are absolutely right.
I can't believe that Pete is comparing between cropping for the sake of hiding truths and cropping for the sake of humour.
How ridiculous.
 
Gardener said:
You can't figure that out on your own?

It should be obvious. The fantasy being sold is that the big, bad Joos just killed all these defenseless "humanitarians". Dishonest propagandists here have called it an "execution style" killing. Removing the knife from the hand of the Islamist in question supports this fantasy. So does the refusal to show the original footage of what actually happened.
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Sorry but that is the fantasy being promoted by US and Israeli news media and hardly what the rest of the world is saying. In fact the media in Europe is getting all sides of the story including the fact that the protesters were "armed". So having a picture of a man standing with a knife is hardly earth shattering considering the rest of the images and photos already released by the IDF. Like it or not, people have a right to defend themselves when being attacked by armed thugs in international waters.. it is not wise but they have that right.

Now the big question is... where is all the footage that the IDF seized from the humanitarians? Why has that not been released? Why was it confiscated in the first place? If the IDF is correct in their version then said documentation must prove this no?
 
Wiseone said:
But like I said in any earlier post, you can't tell who is holding it, which side he was on, or where that knife came from. If there goal was to report with a biased against Israel they probably couldnt have picked a more insignificant thing in my opinion to doctor. I'm just not convinced its a big conspiracy, especially one the company as a whole is running.
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I tend to disagree.
If such a famous news agency is deciding to manipulate images, it would do it in the little details, where it may believe that it would not get caught.
That's why I'm wondering how many times did they actually get away with it.
 
PeteEU said:
In fact the media in Europe is getting all sides of the story
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Apparently, not the right side of the story.

And that is true from so many reasons right now.
 
PeteEU said:
Like it or not, people have a right to defend themselves when being attacked by armed thugs in international waters.. it is not wise but they have that right.
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And like it or not, you're the only one who's disagreeing with that statement.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL Fox News calling out Reuters .. now that is irony on a cosmic level.
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Pete, I am always interested to hear the... ahem logic behind such comments.
Please do not hesistate to elaborate.

If you don't, we'll just chalk it up to another typical, useless Euro knee jerk.

Personally, I think it is intentional.
Of all the ways to crop an image, they went to eliminate the peace activists on a humanitarian mission... I mean terrorista holding a knife.

Mistake? Yeah right.
If you believe that, I've got a Democrat candidate you should vote for in 2012 who's a uniter and will bring hope and change.

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Apocalypse said:
I tend to disagree.
If such a famous news agency is deciding to manipulate images, it would do it in the little details, where it may believe that it would not get caught.
That's why I'm wondering how many times did they actually get away with it.
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I get what you're saying but thats where I see the Catch-22, the doctoring has to be done in the small details or it becomes too obvious. But if its done for such minor things I can't really it having a really affect. For example I couldnt see an individual changing their opinion on the flotilla incident or larger Israeli, Palestinian, or regional issues simply because a knife was or was not in a picture. So im undecided.
 
digsbe said:
If you watched the video from one of your sources you can see the cropping was done to be comical as they put their cropped heads on dogs and other things. This is nothing like hiding facts or cropping out things one's worldview is uncomfortable with admitting is in the picture.
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Eh? What are you drinking? The cropping is not comical lol. They just show half the picture for god sake, cutting out the mouth on mouth action. There is no putting cropped heads on dogs or other things...... Talk about distorting the facts on your end.. gezz.
 
Apocalypse said:
Apparently, not the right side of the story.

And that is true from so many reasons right now.
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Hey not my fault your media are pathetic in reporting the facts. That the US media gobbles up every word the IDF states is not my fault. Ever heard of balanced reporting? We get that in Europe.. we get reports from both sides and get to make up our own minds.
 
PeteEU said:
Fox News cropping pictures.

YouTube - The O'Reilly Factor - Adam Lambert gay?

Fox News distorting pictures

Fox News Gives NY Times Reporters Yellow Teeth, Big Nose

Seriously, the fake outrage against Reuters by Fox News and the conservative right, when their own media organisation in Fox News does it constantly is.... so ironic, not to mention highly biased for the "fair and balanced" network.
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This is retarded. Are you seriously thinking this wasn't done for humor?


did you know gullible is not in the dictionary either? :lamo
 
Wiseone said:
I get what you're saying but thats where I see the Catch-22, the doctoring has to be done in the small details or it becomes too obvious. But if its done for such minor things I can't really it having a really affect. For example I couldnt see an individual changing their opinion on the flotilla incident or larger Israeli, Palestinian, or regional issues simply because a knife was or was not in a picture. So im undecided.
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No, not because a knife is not in the picture, but if this is really a policy of the news agency, if they have done it a time after time, then by no means is that simply a minor influence.

Let's take the commercials industry for example. As you may know, in the commercials industry, it's all about convincing the viewer that the product is right for him.
How do they do it? Through the small details, such as the background color.
 
PeteEU said:
Hey not my fault your media are pathetic in reporting the facts. That the US media gobbles up every word the IDF states is not my fault. Ever heard of balanced reporting? We get that in Europe.. we get reports from both sides and get to make up our own minds.
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No no, let me correct: you believe that you get reports from both sides. You believe that you make up your own minds.
 
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