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Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

Cochise,
You do make an interesting read. I just disagree with about 100% of what you post. Not sure where you came up with your views of the world and what you think is moral or not.
 
Are you really trying to argue with me again when you've ran away every time in the past? So be it.

You keep claiming that and I keep replying to you. Funny how that works.

What is this? Is this supposed to be an argument, or is it more of your rambling?

No just exposing your past statements.

Go ahead and deny it. I'll quote you directly yet again.

This guy was probably native to North America, at the very least. You're just a trespassing foreigner who should be repatriated to Europe, if we were to apply your ideals consistently.

I'm not the one claiming the law shouldn't apply because Aztlán thinks the land was "stolen". That would be you. I actually think the law should apply to all races and no one is exempt. That's where we differ.

Yeah...except with my comments about how laws can be immoral at times untouched, this isn't anything more than a contradiction. It's not a refutation. Maybe you should help the Chinese Communist Party round up dissidents if you think the law's always right.

Thanks for proving once again you wish to impose your own morality to accept circumventing the law.

Well, since there would be no incentive for immigrant to cross remote deserts and die in large numbers doing so if "legal" immigration were easy, I'd expect him or anyone else to do what they had to do when it comes to it.

So you based your assumption he would violate the law based on your own lack of morality. Got it.

Explain why should it be easy to immigrate. Go ahead. Or should it only be easy for people who had their land "stolen" by evil whitey. :roll:
 
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Illegal Mexican killed by Border Patrol - Stormfront

Why do so many people here regularly find themselves on the same side of issues as Stormfront? I know that tex would be a Father Coughlin devotee and supporter of Japanese internment back in the day, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had company.

And why do people like you find themselves on the same side as Aztlán and La Reconquista?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/16/20060416-122222-1672r/

I love it how you keep bringing up Stormfront when I've said repeatedly I'm not against legal immigration just illegal.

Once again your dishonesty rears its ugly head.
 
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its a shame the kid died, i'm sure the patrol could have used better judgement, but if you're stupid enough to throw rocks at armed men, maybe its better you're out of the gene pool.
 
You keep claiming that and I keep replying to you. Funny how that works.

I can't think of a single exchange with you where you've had the last word. If I've forgotten something, post a link so that I can fix it.

No just exposing your past statements.

Go ahead and deny it. I'll quote you directly yet again.

What, so that you can end up running away again?

I'm not the one claiming the law shouldn't apply because Aztlán thinks the land was "stolen". That would be you. I actually think the law should apply to all races and no one is exempt. That's where we differ.

LOL, the Mexican government themselves stole the land. Why doesn't this ever get through your head? By the way, as I've said before, I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine by saying that you should be repatriated to Europe, since that's what the consistent application of your rules demands. It's not something I personally advocate.

Thanks for proving once again you wish to impose your own morality to accept circumventing the law.

This isn't a counter-argument. Try stepping it up, tex.

So you based your assumption he would violate the law based on your own lack of morality. Got it.

No, I remember him saying that. Why do you continue to repeat the assertion about it being morally wrong to violate the law when I've demonstrated that the law and morality aren't always in step? Can't you engage in independent ethical analysis?

Explain why should it be easy to immigrate. Go ahead. Or should it only be easy for people who had their land "stolen" by evil whitey. :roll:

It should be easy to migrate because people should rise and fall based on their merits and willingness to work hard, rather than pre-existing factors that they had no control over. Why do you bring up the most retarded strawmen about "evil whitey" over and over again, especially when I've said that I'm part white and probably descended from some "evil whiteys" myself? Do you feel persecuted? That's what the line on Stormfront is, and the initial motivation for white populism.

And why do people like you find themselves on the same side as Aztlán and La Reconquista?

Mexican aliens seek to retake 'stolen' land - Washington Times

:lol:

All you know how to do is repeatedly contradict, but you're never quite able to debate. You've been told numerous times that the Mexican government is also descended from European colonists, so they won't be "re-taking" anything that wasn't stolen by their predecessors. You've also been told that the Indian racial identity of the majority of migrant laborers places them at odds with the white upper class, which is why they don't have an incentive to extend their authority over them. This hasn't penetrated your skull at all.

I love it how you keep bringing up Stormfront when I've said repeatedly I'm not against legal immigration just illegal.

I'm bringing up Stormfront because of your shared white populism, derived from your shared axiomatic conceptual values. Illegal Mexican killed by Border Patrol - Stormfront

President Felipe Calderon said Tuesday that his goverment "will use all resources available to protect the rights of Mexican migrants.

This statement needs to be fixed;
President Felipe Calderon said Tuesday that his goverment "will use all resources available to protect the rights of Mexican illegal migrants.

Doesn't sound quiet as politically useful now, does it?

Sounds exactly like something you or any of the "very conservative" authoritarians here could say.

Once again your dishonesty rears its ugly head.

I've just accurately described what's going on. It’s chauvinistic white populism that’s the basis for propaganda about a "reconquista" and authoritarian policy like police state purges of migrant laborers that have higher employment rates than the citizen population, prohibition of ethnic studies programs, removal of teachers with accents, establishment of authoritarian and inhumane camps in Arpaio’s tent cities, and the draconian restrictions on freedom of movement around our Berlin Wall of the Southwest. It’s white populism that provides the foundation for the screeching about "Islamofascism" and the environment of harassment of Arabs and non-Arabs perceived as "Middle Eastern," which is why moronic populists attacked Sikhs after 9/11. The "divided loyalties" rhetoric was also a cause for suspicion of Jews and widespread internment of Japanese, and is generally inflamed during tumultuous periods for the WASP population, be it military conflict, economic turmoil, or the combination that they are currently experiencing.

Ignorance about the non-WASP "ethnic" population is also typically a facet. Sikhs were attacked because the white populists were too ignorant to distinguish them from Muslims. Han Chinese and other East Asians were sometimes interned with Japanese despite the fact that they despised the Japanese empire for their invasive tactics, because the white populists were too ignorant to distinguish them from Japanese. And now, the white populists think that Mexicans are a racial group, rather than a national group ruled by a white upper class, and they're too ignorant to separate the Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.

This is right up your alley, tex:

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The foundations for a white populist backlash (association of hostile foreign status with a certain non-white/Anglo phenotype, attacks on the ethnic population’s usage of a minority language, overwhelmingly negative characterizations), are in place. The combination of economic troubles and prior social conservatism in the state of Arizona led to greater intolerance for immigrants, in the familiar pattern of support for authoritarianism increasing in times of crisis.

You are seen for what you are.
 
feeling is sufficient for liberals. no experience or facts needed

Oh, knock off the ridiculous partisan hackery. You say this often, yet it is meaningless and pointless each time you do.

And as to the thread title. The border patrol officers acted professionally and appropriately. They were attacked and responded. I suppose if the kids didn't want to get hurt, they should not have tried to illegally enter the US and attack border patrol officers with rocks. Completely the responsibility of the kids.
 
See I find this funny cause when this happens in my area its never the law enforcement that is right so this is kinda cool :)
not say that the kid being killed it cool, but ya get what i mean.

I don't see the need for border control to have live firearms, espicaly after this, just give them rubber bullets and stun guns...
I see the rock throwing is a very clear sign of how much hate the USA is starting to get from Mexico, and its not very reassuring.
Violance sparks more violance which leads to hate which leads to suffering ( yoda quotes that are stupid and i said it wrong and something FTW)

Maybe more training? I dont know.

All I know once you start going down this slope, its hard to get back up, and its best to address this issue now rather than wait for the next few times :) ( just keep the bloody media the hell out of this one unless they decide to be a little less biased )
 
See I find this funny cause when this happens in my area its never the law enforcement that is right so this is kinda cool :)
not say that the kid being killed it cool, but ya get what i mean.

I don't see the need for border control to have live firearms, espicaly after this, just give them rubber bullets and stun guns...
I see the rock throwing is a very clear sign of how much hate the USA is starting to get from Mexico, and its not very reassuring.
Violance sparks more violance which leads to hate which leads to suffering ( yoda quotes that are stupid and i said it wrong and something FTW)

Maybe more training? I dont know.

All I know once you start going down this slope, its hard to get back up, and its best to address this issue now rather than wait for the next few times :) ( just keep the bloody media the hell out of this one unless they decide to be a little less biased )

Boo hoo Mexicans hate us because we do not want people illegally entering the US. Are you ****en serious? You want people who risk their iives to protect the border to be armed only with rubber bullets and you care that people tryingt to trespass/invade into this country hate us? This has to be the most idiotic post of the day.
 
Boo hoo Mexicans hate us because we do not want people illegally entering the US. Are you ****en serious? You want people who risk their iives to protect the border to be armed only with rubber bullets and you care that people tryingt to trespass/invade into this country hate us? This has to be the most idiotic post of the day.

I never said anything that justifies illigal immigrants entering into the USA.
What I did say that 2 shots to the head does not look like what law enforcements should have done..
I talked to a Marine about this and he agreed with me they need more training if throwing some rocks by some kid provokes you to kill him..

Also reports say the kid was on the Mexican side of the border ( i dont know if its true or not)

eitherway this could of been avoidable. Cause unless you want wetbackhood ( lol) like pallywood in the mexican border i suggest doing something to limit such events.
 
I lol'ed at this:


The shooting happened beneath a railroad bridge linking the two nations, and late Tuesday night a banner appeared on the bridge that said in English: "U.S. Border Patrol we worry about the violence in Mex and murders and now you. Viva Mexico!"
 
Aim for a knee cap, you will probably miss.
knee cap, thigh, a shot in the crotch.....all accomplish the same thing....not gonna get much on that next rock throw...plus a crotch shot eliminates the chance of that ignorant turd breeding....lol
 
knee cap, thigh, a shot in the crotch.....all accomplish the same thing....not gonna get much on that next rock throw...plus a crotch shot eliminates the chance of that ignorant turd breeding....lol




2 inches, 4 inches, 6 inches, center mass is 19 inches. Aim accordingly.
 
knee cap, thigh, a shot in the crotch.....all accomplish the same thing....not gonna get much on that next rock throw...plus a crotch shot eliminates the chance of that ignorant turd breeding....lol

Isn't there some major arteries around that area? Last I check border guards and almost any other law enforcement official are not trained snipers or sharpshooters.
 
Illegal Mexican killed by Border Patrol - Stormfront

Why do so many people here regularly find themselves on the same side of issues as Stormfront? I know that tex would be a Father Coughlin devotee and supporter of Japanese internment back in the day, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had company.

Create strawmen often? Note -- the Japanese who were interned were mostly U.S. citizens or legal resident aliens. Once again, the left comparing apples and oranges...
 
Isn't there some major arteries around that area? Last I check border guards and almost any other law enforcement official are not trained snipers or sharpshooters.




even trained sharpshooters and snipers usually aim center mass.
 
I never said anything that justifies illigal immigrants entering into the USA.

Then why would a 15 year old Mexican kid throw a rock at a border patrol agent out of hatred if it is not about wanting to cross illegally?

What I did say that 2 shots to the head does not look like what law enforcements should have done..

I disagree, a rock can be a lethal weapon.

I talked to a Marine about this and he agreed with me they need more training if throwing some rocks by some kid provokes you to kill him..

I am pretty sure that Marine is not a law enforcement official guarding the border. What is your marine friends MOS?

Also reports say the kid was on the Mexican side of the border ( i dont know if its true or not)

Irrelevant. The 15 year old tried to harm a border patrol agent and possibly kill him.

eitherway this could of been avoidable.

You are right. The kid could have stayed home instead of trying to throw rocks at people with guns.

Cause unless you want wetbackhood ( lol) like pallywood in the mexican border

I do not understand what "wetbackhood" or "pallywood in the Mexican border" means

i suggest doing something to limit such events.

I would rather the border be militarized and they have orders to shoot anything that approaches anything but a authorized checkpoint. That would deter a lot of people from crossing into the US illegally.
 
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And as to the thread title. The border patrol officers acted professionally and appropriately. They were attacked and responded. I suppose if the kids didn't want to get hurt, they should not have tried to illegally enter the US and attack border patrol officers with rocks. Completely the responsibility of the kids.

I didn't realize they had already concluded the use of lethal force review and ruled the shooting justified. Do you have link for that?
 
Some of you have too much of a fetish for the law without independent ethical analysis, even though Jim Crow laws were legal and dissidence in Communist countries was illegal. Did that give moral credence to those laws?

On the one hand, the woman's interested in application of a law to a situation where a moral wrong was probably committed, whereas illegal immigration or violation of residence conditions apparently doesn't strike that many people as an intuitive moral wrong, considering that conservatives like Jerry say that they would do the same thing if they were in that position.

You're trying to compare immigration laws to Jim Crow laws?
They're no where near the same scope, that's for sure.

If she wants us to uphold OUR laws in this case then by all means we should be balanced and uphold ALL OTHER laws, as well - which means the AZ immigration law that's under fire and our federal laws regulating immigration, as well.
 
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