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Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

My warning "shot" is when I call my Rottweiler, German Shepard and Pug to meet said intruder.

a proper warning shot takes out the mope next to the one you plan on wasting next
 
I'm not getting this from Hollywood, if anyone is its you with your Rambo mentality.

In real life when you shoot somebody they die, and this person was killed. Thats what I'm concerned about, if the officers used other methods to stop this child, they could of saved a life.

someone throwing rocks at law enforcement agents of a sovereign nation is arguably someone I don't think should be saved.


there is nothing wrong with shooting people as long as the right people get shot
Inspector "diry Harry" Callahan
 
I didn't bring up that example, but here's my example. A 15 year old kid from Minnesota throws rocks at the police, would you advocate lethally shooting that kid? They should have used less than lethal force, and if they didn't have any less than lethal weapons on them(which they should have) they should have fired warning shots. Also you are exaggerating the lethality of throwing rocks in this situation. They weren't being stoned.

Warning shot also kill, best know where the bullets are going and preferably into the intended target, not some passerby at 1500 meters away and shooting into the air well what goes up must come down. Border patrol and street patrol is like comparing apples to oranges. The border patrol is out in the desert on their own, probably the nearest backup better than 50 miles away or more.
 
I'm not getting this from Hollywood, if anyone is its you with your Rambo mentality.

In real life when you shoot somebody they die, and this person was killed. Thats what I'm concerned about, if the officers used other methods to stop this child, they could of saved a life.

Can you not READ quotes??

7) USE OF FIREARMS - Immigration cannot use their weapons unless they believe that a person is going to kill or seriously hurt them or some other person. "Warning shots" are expressly prohibited.

http://polson.cals.cornell.edu/cals/devsoc/outreach/cfp/upload/ImmFacts-English.pdf

Same for you Sparks, the .PDF here quoted is rules, the other was an article discussing the PRO'S AND CON'S just to give you context.

Rules > Opinion pieces.

Just like Lead > Stone.
 
Can you not READ quotes??



http://polson.cals.cornell.edu/cals/devsoc/outreach/cfp/upload/ImmFacts-English.pdf

Same for you Sparks, the .PDF here quoted is rules, the other was an article discussing the PRO'S AND CON'S just to give you context.

Rules > Opinion pieces.

Just like Lead > Stone.

Then maybe the rules should change.
I'm against the taking of life, unless their is a clear and present danger. And I'm sorry, throwing rocks from 30 yards isn't life threatening.
 
No injuries were reported. Treviño said it is Border Patrol's policy to not fire warning shots when agents fear for their safety."We do not fire warning shots," he said. "We shoot because we fear for our safety and we're trying to remove the threat."
Border Patrol: Agents bombarded with objects fire shots into Mexico | mexico, agents, objects - Local - Brownsville Herald

The AGENTS COULDN'T fire warning shots. Like I've said over and over. Pro's don't do that, actors and fools fire warning shots.

Pro's shoot to kill.
 
Then maybe the rules should change.
I'm against the taking of life, unless their is a clear and present danger. And I'm sorry, throwing rocks from 30 yards isn't life threatening.
Clear and present danger is all a matter perception of your enviroment, location, ability to defend yourself and in this case where the nearest back up is, how many are there and if there are more hiding some where. Aggressive action towards these officers was a challenge to their authority in patroling the border. They also could have been jumped by others hiding and then the weapons taken from the officers and then used on them. These types of scenerio's have gone down numerous times.
 
Then maybe the rules should change.
I'm against the taking of life, unless their is a clear and present danger. And I'm sorry, throwing rocks from 30 yards isn't life threatening.

really? I threw a pretty good fastball at 15 and my little brother was starting on his HS team as a pitcher at that age-he dropped BB for track but he was throwing near 80MPH. you wanna catch a rock in the face 30 yards out
 
Haven't read all the details of this particular event.

But if I am the cop this is not going to be complicated. If a group of individuals are throwing rocks at me, I am going to draw my weapon. Then I am going to command that they stop throwing the rocks. If they decline to obey my command I am going to take action which prevents them from continuing to throw the rocks. Center mass. Mitigate their behavior.

Whether the cop is on the US side or on the Mexican side, the concept/guideline would not change.

Individuals take responsibility for their actions. This ain't rocket science....


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Against kids with rocks they should.
Any evidence at the time of the incident, that ANY ONE of the rock throwers might not have been packing? Not a good siuation in which to break out the old bean bags.
 
How do you know? Do you work in law enforcement?

feeling is sufficient for liberals. no experience or facts needed
 
I'm disappointed that ANYONE had to die for something that, at least at first, would not require lethal use of force. And if incidents like this happen repeatedly, as they've started to, then maybe the bike patrols should be given some non-lethal projectiles to carry if they don't already.

What the hell are border patrol officers doing on bikes? The border is a war zone. I am pissed because they were not in a real vehicle. Deadly force begits deadly force.
 
You should read the article first. This was a bike patrol, they don't really carry a lot of "Anti-idiot" gear with them.

Obviously, I was responding specifically to your asinine comment about what law enforcement does or doen't carry. (but I think you knew that)

That is for movies. Real Life you don't carry less then lethal equipment to deal with a group of people stupid enough to thrown stones at armed law enforcement officers.

yes, in real life police carry non-lethal weapons to deal groups of people throwing stones.

You are wrong.

T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents are common and capable of causing serious injury.
"It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.

Same source as above

So, a Union spokesman named T.J. said this was a clean shoot and that's it??:lamo:lamo You're kidding, right?

Again, sorry, that's not how it work, Vicchio.

The officer that fired his weapon in self-defense also acted professionally.

That's right, I forgot... You were there. (not)

Just calm down and wait for the shooting review. I got some news for you, unless he was legitimately boxed in, this guy is going to have to make a case why he didn't ride off to safe location and then call for backup.
 
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Law enforcement officials don't have the luxury of weighing what situation is potentially lethal to them or not. They are taught to deal with a threat one way. The teenagers could very easily have pulled out handguns and shot the border patrol agents rather than them thowing rocks. Law enforcement did what they were trained to do and I have no problem with that at the end of the day.
 
I agree we should wait for the shooting review report before passing any judgement on the BP. IMO, the crowd and the teenager are at least partially to blame. No rock throwing, no incident. I like to go by inocent till proven guilty. I'm sorry that there was a loss of life. Wonder how the reaction by those jumping on the BP would be if the agent was the one killed.
 
Problem is the Border Patrol hasn't killed enough people lately. They need to shoot a few hundred more. Any ****er trying to illegally cross the border who is dumb enough to throw rocks at an armed man needs to be ****ing shot before he's living next door to you.

Damn straight. They needed to mow down the wetbacks as soon as they started coming across the Atlantic Ocean. ;)
 
Lethal force isn't the appropriate response to rock throwing.

I agree with you, here - he *knew* it was a rock (so I gather from the article) - so why shoot in response? I think shots shoudl be reserved for more dire situations. He was wrong.

However. . .(now, note - I do understand the mother's just heartbroken)
"They killed my little boy and the only thing I ask is for the law" to be applied, Hernandez said sobbing . . .

Ironic and hypocritical how they'll support breaking laws - and then demand that other laws be applied.

Can't have it both ways - they either support people being allowed ot break our laws or their support our laws being applied like they're written!
 
Ironic and hypocritical how they'll support breaking laws - and then demand that other laws be applied.

Can't have it both ways - they either support people being allowed ot break our laws or their support our laws being applied like they're written!

Some of you have too much of a fetish for the law without independent ethical analysis, even though Jim Crow laws were legal and dissidence in Communist countries was illegal. Did that give moral credence to those laws?

On the one hand, the woman's interested in application of a law to a situation where a moral wrong was probably committed, whereas illegal immigration or violation of residence conditions apparently doesn't strike that many people as an intuitive moral wrong, considering that conservatives like Jerry say that they would do the same thing if they were in that position.
 
Some of you have too much of a fetish for the law without independent ethical analysis,

And some people have a disdain for the law because they don't like the ethnic makeup of the people that created it.

On the one hand, the woman's interested in application of a law to a situation where a moral wrong was probably committed,

Complete speculation favoring the illegal. Color me shocked.

whereas illegal immigration or violation of residence conditions apparently doesn't strike that many people as an intuitive moral wrong,

Actually it does for people who actually care about the law.

considering that conservatives like Jerry say that they would do the same thing if they were in that position.

Where is your evidence that he would also break the law instead of immigrating legally? Of course you have none as usual.
 
Are you really trying to argue with me again when you've ran away every time in the past? So be it.

And some people have a disdain for the law because they don't like the ethnic makeup of the people that created it.

What is this? Is this supposed to be an argument, or is it more of your rambling?

Complete speculation favoring the illegal. Color me shocked.

This guy was probably native to North America, at the very least. You're just a trespassing foreigner who should be repatriated to Europe, if we were to apply your ideals consistently.

Actually it does for people who actually care about the law.

Yeah...except with my comments about how laws can be immoral at times untouched, this isn't anything more than a contradiction. It's not a refutation. Maybe you should help the Chinese Communist Party round up dissidents if you think the law's always right.

Where is your evidence that he would also break the law instead of immigrating legally? Of course you have none as usual.

Well, since there would be no incentive for immigrant to cross remote deserts and die in large numbers doing so if "legal" immigration were easy, I'd expect him or anyone else to do what they had to do when it comes to it.
 
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