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Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

tell it to the locals



unbelievable

Why not tell it to the person spreading the claim here? Why don't you take responsibility for your own posts?
 
james carville, a cajun:

"the political stupidity of this is just unbelievable that the president doesn't get down here in the middle of this, i have no idea why they didn't seize this thing, i have no idea why their attitude is so hands-offy, the president of the united states could have come down here, he could have been involved with the families, he could have commandeered research vessels in the gulf of mexico, he could have demanded a plan in anticipation of this, last nite i was on larry king with the former ceo of shell, they said they got 85% of this cleaned up in the gulf of saudi arabia, he could be commandeering tankers and making bp bring tankers in and clean this thing up, they could be deploying people to the coast right now, he could be with the corps of engineers and the coast guard with these people in plaquemines parish doing something about these regulations, these people are crying, they're begging for something down here and it just looks like he's not involved in this, man, and you gotta get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this thing moving, we're about to die down here, there's a thousand things he could be doing and he just needs to get down here and start doing something"

BP Oil Spill Becoming Political Headache for Obama? Some Democrats Slam White House Response - ABC News
 
james carville, a cajun:

"the political stupidity of this is just unbelievable that the president doesn't get down here in the middle of this, i have no idea why they didn't seize this thing, i have no idea why their attitude is so hands-offy, the president of the united states could have come down here, he could have been involved with the families, he could have commandeered research vessels in the gulf of mexico, he could have demanded a plan in anticipation of this, last nite i was on larry king with the former ceo of shell, they said they got 85% of this cleaned up in the gulf of saudi arabia, he could be commandeering tankers and making bp bring tankers in and clean this thing up, they could be deploying people to the coast right now, he could be with the corps of engineers and the coast guard with these people in plaquemines parish doing something about these regulations, these people are crying, they're begging for something down here and it just looks like he's not involved in this, man, and you gotta get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this thing moving, we're about to die down here, there's a thousand things he could be doing and he just needs to get down here and start doing something"

BP Oil Spill Becoming Political Headache for Obama? Some Democrats Slam White House Response - ABC News

And he is entitled to his opinion. AS much as I respect the guy, he is wrong in this case though. What is not opinion is whether or not cleanup work has begun. It is already the third most costly cleanup effort ever.
 
Just a week before the Deepwater Horizon exploded, BP PLC asked regulators to approve three successive changes to its oil well over 24 hours, according to federal records reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

The unusual rapid-fire requests to modify permits reveal that BP was tweaking a crucial aspect of the well's design up until its final days.

One of the design decisions outlined in the revised permits, drilling experts say, may have left the well more vulnerable to the blowout that occurred April 20, killing 11 workers and leaving crude oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico.

The Minerals Management Service approved all the changes quickly, in one instance within five minutes of submission.

BP's flurry of revisions and re-revisions stands out as uncommon. Of the more than 2,200 wells that have been drilled in the Gulf since 2004, only 5% have had multiple permit revisions submitted to MMS within one calendar day, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of MMS records.

In only one other case, a 2005 well drilled in just 48 feet of water, has a company submitted three revisions within 24 hours, as happened on BP's well. BP's well was in nearly 5,000 feet of water, which has made dealing with the well far more complicated.

MMS declined to comment, citing the ongoing investigation into the causes of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

who ya gonna sue?

On April 14, at 8:34 p.m., BP informed the MMS that it planned to use the one-pipe method, using a single 7-inch-wide pipe for the whole length of the well. The MMS approved the permit at 8:13 the next morning, according to federal records.

At 9:54 a.m. on April 15 BP filed another permit informing the MMS of a correction. Rather than using a 7-inch-wide pipe the whole way, it planned to run a tapered pipe that was wider at the top than at the bottom. This was approved by the MMS seven minutes later.

Then, at 2:35 p.m., BP filed another revision. This one informed the MMS that it had "inadvertently" omitted mention of a section of pipe already in the well. Four and one-half minutes later, MMS approved this permit also.

The two-pipe method was the safer option, according to many industry experts, because it would have provided an extra layer of protection against gas traveling up the outside of the well to the surface. Gene Beck, a longtime industry engineer and a professor at Texas A&M University, said the two-pipe method is "more or less the gold standard," especially for high-pressure wells such as the one BP was drilling.

But the one-pipe option was easier and faster, likely taking a week less time than the two-pipe method. BP was spending about $1 million per day to operate the Deepwater Horizon.

BP Revised Permits Before Blast - WSJ.com
 
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i guess carville's just not SEEING it

he certainly saw, however, ag holder's new orleans press conference, the preparation of the lawsuit

the president MADE SURE of that, it's his highest profile priority

what's clear is---outside our courts not enough is being done

ie, in the gulf

ie, in terms of controlling this dread

Oil from Gulf spill hits Mississippi's Petit Bois Island - Environment - MiamiHerald.com

UPDATE 1-Alabama closes oyster beds, warns swimmers over oil | Reuters

pray

44 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes, 16 seconds...
 
And in your world, what does "preliminary" mean? Before the leak is stopped:confused: :roll:

Preliminary, meaning "not final" or "rough." What I'm saying is entirely uncontroversial: Whether the estimates of current leak flow are 10k barrels/day or 20k barrels/day will have no impact on the final calculation of leak amount. That number will be at the heart of damage calculations, not preliminary estimates.

Unless they've come up with a final conclusion as to exactly how much has spilled, it's not final yet.


Please tell us, what decision pal?

You mean the decision to not repair the BOP? Twice?

You mean the decision to take short cuts that caused men to be killed?

You mean the wink and nods that went on between MMS and BP, that Obama and everybody outside of those two groups would have no idea was going on?

Are those the decisions you're talking of?
:doh

I think you misunderstand me - I'm not talking about the decision to take actions that led to the leak, I'm talking about the DoJ's decision to announce a criminal investigation.


It's got to be done. Unlike you, I can read what eye witnesses have said happened. Unlike you, I can say, without any partisan prejudice, that BP is ****ed. Why can't you
:confused:

Because I don't let the desires of my heart affect the way I see things?

Again, if you're 100% positive that BP is ****ed, I suggest that you gather every penny you can get your hands on and short the living **** out of its stock. Let me know how it works out for you.

Plenty of "links" have already been provided. I guess you missed them, ehh? I'm sure it was an honest mistake. :lol:

Someone has posted links for what has happened now that BP is being indicted for criminal negligence? Did this person have a thick accent and talk about Skynet, or was it just a couple of bros in the middle of an excellent adventure? Please advise.
 
Forgive me for not reading the entire huge thread and perhaps saying what has already been said:

If corporations want to have all the benefits of being considered "persons" under the law, then they need to take the negatives as well, which include being liable for criminal activity.

Corporations are already liable for criminal activity, and I haven't seen anyone suggest that they shouldn't be. That being said, I would be surprised if:

1) The investigation turned up enough evidence to bring criminal charges, and
2) It wasn't handled via deferred prosecution agreement rather than an actual prosecution.
 
the mms APPROVED bp's alterations

FIVE MINUTES after the drillers submitted their request

exactly ONE WEEK before the explosion

sue THAT
 
the mms APPROVED bp's alterations

FIVE MINUTES after the drillers submitted their request

exactly ONE WEEK before the explosion

sue THAT

I'm agreeing with RightinNYC here - the timing of this is not optimal and the political optics of announcing such a thing does what exactly? Provide BP more motivation? Is this more pressure on BP's throat? And even more optics... today the saw get's stuck cutting off the pipe, the majority of the oil is still not washing up, Gov. Jindal is requesting berms - the Fed is saying no it'll take too long, clean up is pain staking, more resources are still needed and the plans to help the people who for generations are unable to work other than attempt to clean up oil slicks are hurting.

Cut to the White House over the past weekend... Obama went on vacation, played some b-ball and golf, was rained out during Memorial day in Chicago and tonight is hosting Sir Paul McCartney concert at the White House. Biased view? Absolutely and rightly so... the man should be focused on leading and communicating what the federal government is planning to do as to the clean up, the progress of the clean up, and the plan on what happens after the clean up. The lawyers were sent down weeks ago... so the WH knew and planned on the lawsuits. Where's the plan for the people of NO, of Mississippi? Of Florida?

Let's take a look back in time shall we?

http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgeOfFwI.m4v
 
the man should be focused on leading and communicating what the federal government is planning to do as to the clean up, the progress of the clean up, and the plan on what happens after the clean up.

exactly correct

stopping the leak should be #1

containing the damage, #2

cleaning it up, #3

making restitutions should come down the road

ask malia

but don't ask her dad, he doesn't get it
 
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