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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

Update: Thousands of dollars in cash were found in the pockets of the dead Turkish citizens that have attacked the Israeli soldiers.

There is a suspicion that those are mercenaries paid for to attack the Israeli soldiers when they board the ship.

Besides that, Israel has begun its investigation of the event.

Is there any news as to what the persons on board ship have to say? Or is there still a communication shutdown...

Paul
 
When did Pat Buchanan join the forum?

See Israel is one of our closest allies. What is the point of having an ally if we do nothing when they are in trouble?

Forgive me if I don't side with people who support Palestinians who cheered 9.11 and attack Israeli civilians.

Surely, your real allies are those fighting alongside US troops in Afghanistan, aren't they? Those would be Turkish troops BTW. When was the last time Israeli troops fought alongside the US?
 
Ok I laughed out loud on that one.

I'm not expecting honest or open answers from you, so I don't care.

And there are people who will always claim Israel is the only agressor. Whats your point?

The point is that some of those whom always defend Israel will see any critique of their actions as being "against Israel". Some may be so stupid as to believe that if you say anything against Israel that you must hate Israel and want it to fail and always support Palestine and can't see both sides as being wrong. Pretty stupid right? I know, but they exist. Israel is not an innocent, nor is Palestine. When all these people start jumping up and down screaming Israel this and that, they should be reminded that they are in this position partly because of themselves.

Obviously you have never met anyone in the Mossad. They are hardly the scrawnmy smarmy kid.

That's why it's called analogy.

Can you even point to one time where Israel has mouthed off saying any action they take they don't have to worry about the consequences because America will protect them?

Where do you get these incredible dishonest statements from?

Are you kidding? You think that they would have done half the **** they have against the Palestinian people if we didn't have their back? Seriously? They can act with impudence because they think America is in their corner, and they do. Most countries who act like this towards innocent civilians tend to get our dismay, not our backing. We are the bigger brother, we're the tough guy that the others come running to for protection. Well, if they keep treating people the way the do, and keep thinking nothing of it; then they'll have to face they're own damned consequence. Which includes being cut off. No more of our military tech, no more of our support. The lot of them can sit in the corner and figure things out for themselves, we'll deal with them when they've stopped this incessant fighting.

I know you don't like it that he is right and you are wrong but I can't help that.

Jefferson is often right, and is so in this case as well. I don't want to be drawn into other people's wars. If they start them, they can finish them. Got our own **** to worry about.

But for you to say you don't support either side was really amusing and I thank you for it.

Once you decide to be intellectually honest, come back and maybe we can have a meaningful conversation. Till then, just run around thanking Apocalypse's posts.
 
Surely, your real allies are those fighting alongside US troops in Afghanistan, aren't they? Those would be Turkish troops BTW. When was the last time Israeli troops fought alongside the US?

LOL You are advocating Israel send troops to a Muslim country? Please tell me you aren't that demented.

Israel blew up the reactor in Syria which would have been a direct threat to the US if it was allowed to continue not to mention destroying Saddam's nuclear reactor as well.

And lets not forget the countless Israeli inventions that our troops use every day in the theatre. So yes Israel is a fantastic ally and for you to suggest the only way they can be an ally is to send troops to a country that would be 100% hostile to them is foolish at best.
 
The reporters that were their on the ship

Saw about a 10 minute clip this morning from an al Jazeera reporter that was travelling with the flotilla ship. Boy, he really let Israel have it....!!!



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I'm not expecting honest or open answers from you, so I don't care.

There was nothing honest about your claim. Hense my laughter.

The point is that some of those whom always defend Israel will see any critique of their actions as being "against Israel". Some may be so stupid as to believe that if you say anything against Israel that you must hate Israel and want it to fail and always support Palestine and can't see both sides as being wrong. Pretty stupid right? I know, but they exist. Israel is not an innocent, nor is Palestine. When all these people start jumping up and down screaming Israel this and that, they should be reminded that they are in this position partly because of themselves.

I ask again, what is the point of all of that? Are there extremists on both sides? Yes. Can you move on now?

That's why it's called analogy.

You mean false analogy. I point you to the Six-Day War as proof of Israel's fighting skill. They don't play second fiddle to us and its insulting you would pretend otherwise.

Are you kidding? You think that they would have done half the **** they have against the Palestinian people if we didn't have their back? Seriously? They can act with impudence because they think America is in their corner, and they do. Most countries who act like this towards innocent civilians tend to get our dismay, not our backing. We are the bigger brother, we're the tough guy that the others come running to for protection. Well, if they keep treating people the way the do, and keep thinking nothing of it; then they'll have to face they're own damned consequence. Which includes being cut off. No more of our military tech, no more of our support. The lot of them can sit in the corner and figure things out for themselves, we'll deal with them when they've stopped this incessant fighting.

So you can't give one example to back up that laughable claim Got it.

Jefferson is often right, and is so in this case as well. I don't want to be drawn into other people's wars. If they start them, they can finish them. Got our own **** to worry about.

Then I guess you were against going to war with the Nazis right? They never attacked us. :roll:

Once you decide to be intellectually honest, come back and maybe we can have a meaningful conversation. Till then, just run around thanking Apocalypse's posts.

When you decide to be honest about your arguments and your beliefs, perhaps we can have a debate but when you deny your own words and your own positions, there is nothing I can do about that.
 
This is absolutely disturbing.
There would be only two ships coming however, and hence there would be no need to board them on international waters, since there is no chance of them making it to the port of Gaza as the fears were for the previous flotilla.
If Israel boards the ships it should do so on Gaza's territorial waters, and if the Turks open fire then Israel must do what it must, however unfortuante and dangerous this is.

So far, I have seen no news story on that issue. Hopefully, the rumors are without foundation.
 
There was nothing honest about your claim. Hense my laughter.

K, Madam Cleo. I guess you're psychic now and can read people's mind.

I ask again, what is the point of all of that? Are there extremists on both sides? Yes. Can you move on now?

There are. The point is when those extremists pop up, I'll be there to remind them that they are here in part because of their actions. On this site, it's mostly Zionists and Zionist supporters. Therefore, when those people who are not honest enough to admit Israel's faults pop up; I'll just show them that Israel is where it is at in part to its own actions.

You mean false analogy. I point you to the Six-Day War as proof of Israel's fighting skill. They don't play second fiddle to us and its insulting you would pretend otherwise.

Where do they get all their **** from? And why is it that this conflict still rages then? Sounds to me that perhaps they can't finish a job.

So you can't give one example to back up that laughable claim Got it.

No, I told you exactly what they get to do. No one else gets to act with such disregard towards human rights and conditions as Israel with no negative consequences. They get our money our military tech to launch these operations, they behave in immoral manners against civilians, and they see no sanctions, no punishments, no nothing. They keep to go on doing what they are doing.

Then I guess you were against going to war with the Nazis right? They never attacked us. :roll:

Their alliance did though. Guess that shows you what entangled treaties can get you. Until that point, however, we were staying out of it.

When you decide to be honest about your arguments and your beliefs, perhaps we can have a debate but when you deny your own words and your own positions, there is nothing I can do about that.

I have been completely honest about my position. Its you people whom have tried to make it sound like something it isn't.
 
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New Delhi: "Turkey has threatened Israel with unprecedented action after Israeli forces attacked an aid vessel, killing 10 peace activists headed to Gaza.
Israel said 10 people died while those on the ship said at least 15 were killed.
A shocked world has responded with outrage. Turkey recalled its ambassador to Israel and warned of unprecedented and incalculable reprisals.
Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.Israel has sounded an alert throughout the country fearing rocket attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon.
The Arab League has called an urgent meeting on Tuesday to decide on a common response. Egypt is under pressure to end the blockade of Gaza while Greece has cancelled a military exercise with Isreal.
The world is waiting for the response from Washington, how will President Obama react to the provocation from America's closest ally."


May be heatin' up.....



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So far, I have seen no news story on that issue. Hopefully, the rumors are without foundation.

Don, there are two ships remaining that haven't made their way to the Gazan port yet, and those ships are the ones rumored to be escorted by the Turkish navy.
 
Is there any news as to what the persons on board ship have to say? Or is there still a communication shutdown...

Paul

A lot of the people that were on that ship and were not involved in the fighting were already released and deported out of Israel.
 
There could be no other intent. Because you know the civilians are in there. So when you fire those rockets, you do so full well knowing that you are attacking and killing innocent civilians.

There are civilians everywhere. Just because there are civilians there, and you know there are civilians there, doesn't mean that killing civilians is the objective of your strike. All the smart weapons in the world can't change the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in warfare.
 
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Rumors circulating out in the news space that there may be a second running of the Israeli blockade. But this time with the Turkish Navy as an escort. Any thoughts/projections on how the US policy (and/or the US Navy) should respond if Turkey attempts such an action....?


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Give Erdogan the Congressional Gold Medal

(by the way, the Greek navy could also take part in the operation since they've cancelled an exercise with the IDF)
 
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subscribed to the hysteria on both sides. Can not wait for the actual FACTS to come out, but keep on arguing over speculation. enjoying it 100%
 
There are civilians everywhere. Just because there are civilians there, and you know there are civilians there, doesn't mean that killing civilians is the objective of your strike. All the smart weapons in the world can't change the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in warfare.

There is still the concept of proportionality, which is not yet understood by the IDF.
 
There are civilians everywhere. Just because there are civilians there, and you know there are civilians there, doesn't mean that killing civilians is the objective of your strike. All the smart weapons in the world can't change the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in warfare.

Indeed. However, the fact is that you have mitigated to some level the lives of the people there. Cast it down so that you can excuse the behavior which results in the deaths of 20-30 civilians and 0 terrorists. Who's the real terrorist? The fact is that they did knowingly and conscientiously attack an area they knew to be well inhabited by civilians. That's that. It may not be Dresden, but it does demonstrate a certain lack of empathy and understanding of the other side's humanity in order to do. And it shows a certain moral ambiguity when they have zero problems take out 10's of civilians for a shot at 1 terrorist.
 
Actually, it sounds more like one columnist at one newpaper is saying that......



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And they haven't even done that.
They said that it was a big intelligence failure since they've sent our troops with paintball guns while the facts from the incident imply that they should have been sent with assault rifles instead.
They want to know how come Israel was unable to find out that this ship was carrying armed people with a hostile intent before boarding the ship.
 
Saw about a 10 minute clip this morning from an al Jazeera reporter that was travelling with the flotilla ship. Boy, he really let Israel have it....!!!



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lol Yeah, I kind of would have been pissed as well lol


Cole I also would suggest Herztes is a Left leaning News paper in Israel who is very critical of their government
 
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There is still the concept of proportionality, which is not yet understood by the IDF.

The soldiers were equipped with pistols. They haven't used them all through the time where they were being lynched and attacked.
They have only drawn their pistols once the soldiers were engaged with live fire.
If anything, those who accuse those soldiers of disproportionality are those who should really be given a lesson about it.
 
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