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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

digsbe said:
Israel is not a terrorist nation like the PLO. I'm sure they had a very good reason for storming these boats. We can't trust Hamas with the simply "humanitarian aid" excuse. After all, they were the ones that turned ambulances into military vehicles and fired rockets from humanitarian aid buildings to try and prevent Israel from bombing them.
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Actually Israel is a terrorist nation. You are wrong for believing that just because it is an Arab nation means that it is a terrorist nation. Most Palestinians are not terrorists and really the ones who are are because they get money and its a job basically. Why? Because Israel forbids any opportunity for PLO to grow as a country.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Here is video it looks like that the person was being hit with a sock. I can't believe that people tend to forget the Uss Liberty that was attacked by Israel also in international waters.
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The Liberty situation was entirely different. Bringing it up here is only going to be inflammatory.
 
digsbe said:
Why does the international community close their eyes to the international crimes and human rights violations of the Arab world? I heard a report that originally the IDF soldiers were armed with paint balls and later had to use ammunition because things became violent on the boat. People take a magnifying glass to Israel and accuse them of all the crimes under the sun while their neighbors violate human rights and commit far worse atrocities against Israel. The American government doesn't close it's eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity, America has them wide open. The truth is that there are no Israeli crimes against humanity. Israel is a victim of crimes against humanity.
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Most Arab governments oppress their OWN people and no one else. They are not looking for a fight like Israel does. Which is why Israel is committing crimes against humanity. I bet if Israel quit the blockade to Gaza that Gaza would flourish economically and that their wouldn't be as many terrorists but Israel does not want to give a chance for Palestine to grow.
 
Redress said:
The Liberty situation was entirely different. Bringing it up here is only going to be inflammatory.
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And how was it different? You know the media has changed the way it talks about the Uss Liberty they say that the ship crossed onto Israeli waters but the interviews with sailors that were on the ship stated otherwise and I believe them.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
I don't understand why the American government closes its eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity. It just shows the power that lobbying has on the government.
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The only "close of eyes" here is made by those who play into the hands of those suicidal propagandists.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Actually Israel is a terrorist nation. You are wrong for believing that just because it is an Arab nation means that it is a terrorist nation. Most Palestinians are not terrorists and really the ones who are are because they get money and its a job basically. Why? Because Israel forbids any opportunity for PLO to grow as a country.
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Incorrect. Israel is not a terrorist nation. I never said that just because a nation is an Arab nation that they are a terrorist nation, but many of them are. The KSA funds terrorism, Hamas is a terrorist organization, the PLO wants to eradicate Israel, Hezbolah wants to exterminate the Jews, Yemen and the KSA oppress women (and in some places practice FGM). Islamic tyranny oppresses the rights of other faiths in many Arab nations as well. Israel has not committed acts of terrorism, they have committed acts of self defense because they are the victims of terrorism at the hands of Arab organizations supported by Arab nations.
 
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digsbe said:
Incorrect. Israel is not a terrorist nation. I never said that just because a nation is an Arab nation that they are a terrorist nation, but many of them are. The KSA funds terrorism, Hamas is a terrorist organization, the PLO wants to eradicate Israel, Hezbolah wants to exterminate the Jews, Yemen and the KSA oppress woman (and in some places practice FGM). Islamic tyranny oppresses the rights of other faiths in many Arab nations as well. Israel hos not committed acts of terrorism, they have committed acts of self defense because they are the victims of terrorism at the hands of Arab organizations supported by Arab nations.
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The terrorist organization in this case was Turkish not Arab, it has ties with arab terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda and Hamas.
 
Apocalypse said:
The only "close of eyes" here is made by those who play into the hands of those suicidal propagandists.
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I don't play into the hands of anyone as you do. Israel attacked a ship it had no right being on. Israel committed piracy and it knows it. They were on the wrong for boarding a ship and then acting all surprised when the people got enraged that commandos were shooting them and trying to boss them around.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
I don't understand why the American government closes its eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity. It just shows the power that lobbying has on the government.
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What "crimes" are you talking about exactly?
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
I don't understand why the American government closes its eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity. It just shows the power that lobbying has on the government.
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Have you been paying attention at all. Israel offered to allow the flotilla to head to the port city of Ashdod where humanitarian supplies would be off-loaded and then transfered to Gaza. But this was not about aid to begin with. It was about provoking a confortation with Israel. The Commandos did not board the ship and open fire on innocents. They were attacked and had to respond with force. I suggest you do some reading about the organization in charge of this supposed relief operation, the IHH. Or do you have an anti-Israel agenda that prevents you from understanding the truth.
 
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Gray_Fox_86 said:
Actually Israel is a terrorist nation. You are wrong for believing that just because it is an Arab nation means that it is a terrorist nation. Most Palestinians are not terrorists and really the ones who are are because they get money and its a job basically. Why? Because Israel forbids any opportunity for PLO to grow as a country.
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Ain't no one going to confuse me with a Israeli supporter. I am not. However, I am not going to call Israel a terrorist country either. I find a lot of problems with Israel, their policies and actions, but they are not a terrorist country. Excessive hyperbole hurts your point instead of helps it.
 
digsbe said:
Incorrect. Israel is not a terrorist nation. I never said that just because a nation is an Arab nation that they are a terrorist nation, but many of them are. The KSA funds terrorism, Hamas is a terrorist organization, the PLO wants to eradicate Israel, Hezbolah wants to exterminate the Jews, Yemen and the KSA oppress women (and in some places practice FGM). Islamic tyranny oppresses the rights of other faiths in many Arab nations as well. Israel has not committed acts of terrorism, they have committed acts of self defense because they are the victims of terrorism at the hands of Arab organizations supported by Arab nations.
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The majority of Arab organizations are supported by KSA. Get rid of the funding KSA does and watch that most Arab organizations would slowly disappear. Most extremists in the Arab world are there because of poverty caused by their own governments and then factor in Israeli aggression. Things don't look so good for Israel.
 
gunner said:
I,m stating the commanders knew fully what could await the troops.
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The Israeli Navy has boarded many ships before without incident or violence. There were no problems on any of the other five ships in this flotilla. It seems that mild protest was indeed anticipated... and the boarding party was equipped for such a contingency.

Unanticipated... was the prospect of deadly violence from self-proclaimed "peace activists".

When you start shooting at commandos, I guarantee that bad things are gonna happen.
 
Redress said:
Ain't no one going to confuse me with a Israeli supporter. I am not. However, I am not going to call Israel a terrorist country either. I find a lot of problems with Israel, their policies and actions, but they are not a terrorist country. Excessive hyperbole hurts your point instead of helps it.
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The reason I called Israel a terrorist nation was cause Digsbe was so at ease just calling Palestine a terrorist nation. At least that was my impression.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
I don't play into the hands of anyone as you do. Israel attacked a ship it had no right being on. Israel committed piracy and it knows it. They were on the wrong for boarding a ship and then acting all surprised when the people got enraged that commandos were shooting them and trying to boss them around.
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The soldiers were attacked at the moment their feet have touched the boat's floor.
They have only responded with live fire after one of them was seriously wounded by the violent crowd, and after it has opened live fire on them.
 
Tashah said:
The Israeli Navy has boarded many ships before without incident or violence. There were no problems on any of the other five ships in this flotilla. It seems that mild protest was indeed anticipated... and the boarding party was equipped for such a contingency.

Unanticipated... was the prospect of deadly violence from self-proclaimed "peace activists".

When you start shooting at commandos, I guarantee that bad things are gonna happen.
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I think an argument could be made that dropping them in from helicopters (at night I believe, which is even worse), increases the chance of problems. I believe that boarding from boats would have been safer and less likely to cause an escalation.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The reason I called Israel a terrorist nation was cause Digsbe was so at ease just calling Palestine a terrorist nation. At least that was my impression.
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He said PLO, not Palestine.
PLO is a ****ing organization.
 
Oh look another attack saying it proaganda I made a mistake on the video that I wanted to poste this why I posted thie guy instead of the one I have now.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The reason I called Israel a terrorist nation was cause Digsbe was so at ease just calling Palestine a terrorist nation. At least that was my impression.
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Digsbe has a much better point. If you disagree with that assessment of Palestine, make that argument. Calling Israel a terrorist nation is only going to speed up the time it takes this thread to go bad.
 
SgtRock said:
Have you been paying attention at all. Israel offered to allow the flotilla to head to the port city of Ashdod where humanitarian supplies would be off-loaded and then transfered to Gaza. But this was not about aid to begin with. It was about provoking a confortation with Israel. The Commandos did not board the ship and open fire on innocents. They were attacked and had to respond with force. I suggest you do some reading about the organization in charge of this supposed relief operation, the IHH. Or do you have an anti-Israel agenda that prevents you from understanding the truth.
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Ok. I have a better understanding thank you. And no I do not have an agenda against Israel I have an agenda that seeks to modernize the Mideast and Israel and extremists keep ruining it.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
That looked more like a wooden stick. But on the Uss Liberty it is because the media has twisted the truth with lies that makes it seem like Israel did not know what they were doing.
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True the media is good at that I thought it looked more like a sock, but that just me I guess.
 
Apocalypse said:
The soldiers were attacked at the moment their feet have touched the boat's floor.
They have only responded with live fire after one of them was seriously wounded by the violent crowd, and after it has opened live fire on them.
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Right how would you feel at night when you are most vulnerable a bunch of commandos come armed dropping in from helicopters? I'd feel like it was time for me to spring into action because those commandos are probably wanting to kill me and I won't let them do it without a fight.
 
Redress said:
Oh look, a strawman. I don't think I have seen any one actually suggest that. I know I have not.
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Oh, look, the apologia of those with selective reading.

post # 8 talks about killing unarmed civilians.

post # 20 calls it a "massacre"

post # 24 calls it "piracy", "murder" and an act of "terror".

post 36 called it an act of piracy

post #63 supported the framing of the issue as "storming" instead of "boarding" by claiming that it was the rejection of the term "storming" that constituted "spin"

post #68 reinforced the notion through an accusation that such was "demonizing".


and, of course, post # 76 is supportive of another poster's personal attack.



so, yes, people HAVE framed the issue of the IDF just storming a ship full of defenseless civilians and opening fire, and yes, you HAVE added to the rhetorec through your own accusations and support for those indulging in the framing.
 
Apocalypse said:
He said PLO, not Palestine.
PLO is a ****ing organization.
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The Republican party is a ****ing terrorist organization but still we tolerate them and their members.
 
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