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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

and, of course, this statement will also go unchallenged by the same nattering individuals who actually do know nothing.

Irony, you are good at it.
 
Apocalypse has brought out some excellent points that are very informative. Basically this flottila was not a relief effort at all. It was a planned provocation of israel for propaganda purposes. Every effort to facilitate the aid to Gaza was rejected. This in itself tells me that aid was not the intent it was to provoke a confrontation with Israel. And thats what they got. Now comes the propaganda which unfortunatly will be believed by some who have an anti Israel agenda.
 
Considering that the only people who know the truth are the ones there, and even they are not necessarily going to have an accurate view of events(ask cops about getting testimony from witnesses, and how several people will see the same event differently), the whole "points to the truth" thing is premature.

About the only truths know for sure right now is that the Flotilla is not now headed to Gaza, and that this is another PR nightmare for Israel.

Once more, every individual arrives at the truth at a different timing, clearly the doctors taking care of a mortally-wounded person know that he's dead before anyone else does.
By the way, the Flotilla might be in Ashdod and not in Gaza, but the humanitarian aid is on its way to Gaza and that should have been the entire event were there was no attempt to kill the soldiers doing the interception.
 
Now comes the propaganda which unfortunatly will be believed by some who have an anti Israel agenda.

With various official representatives of this website doing their part by attacking those who object to the propaganda of the Israel haters.
 
Apocalypse has brought out some excellent points that are very informative. Basically this flottila was not a relief effort at all. It was a planned provocation of israel for propaganda purposes. Every effort to facilitate the aid to Gaza was rejected. This in itself tells me that aid was not the intent it was to provoke a confrontation with Israel. And thats what they got. Now comes the propaganda which unfortunatly will be believed by some who have an anti Israel agenda.

There is some truth to this. It is almost certain that a confrontation was desired. I suspect that it might have been in Israel's best interest to not give them a confrontation as they did. Doing exactly what your opponent wants is not usually good tactics.

Further, just because the flotilla was after a conflict does not mean that Israel did not handle the assault poorly. The truth in that regards remains to be seen. I think the odds favor a proper handling by the Israeli solders, but that is guesswork, not fact.
 
Once more, every individual arrives at the truth at a different timing, clearly the doctors taking care of a mortally-wounded person know that he's dead before anyone else does.
By the way, the Flotilla might be in Ashdod and not in Gaza, but the humanitarian aid is on its way to Gaza and that should have been the entire event were there was no attempt to kill the soldiers doing the interception.

Yes, I was aware of that. The cargo will be inspected and moved to Gaza.
 
There is some truth to this. It is almost certain that a confrontation was desired. I suspect that it might have been in Israel's best interest to not give them a confrontation as they did. Doing exactly what your opponent wants is not usually good tactics.
This was the topic of many of the arguments in Israel before the interception.
Many have said that Israel should just let the flotilla pass, as Olmert did in 2008 when he was the PM, but others have said that it would give legitimization to the ships, would attract more and more of them, and would pretty much break the siege placed by Egypt and Israel on the Gaza Strip.
 
Also, another PR disaster by the Israeli Government.
Perhaps.

On the other hand, PR/PC is not the primary concern when hot lead is whizzing by your ears.
 
This was the topic of many of the arguments in Israel before the interception.
Many have said that Israel should just let the flotilla pass, as Olmert did in 2008 when he was the PM, but others have said that it would give legitimization to the ships, would attract more and more of them, and would pretty much break the siege placed by Egypt and Israel on the Gaza Strip.

I don't think letting the ships pass would be a good idea either, for exactly the reasons you list. There are other options, both for boarding and for moving ships that don't want to be moved.
 
Perhaps.

On the other hand, PR/PC is not the primary concern when hot lead is whizzing by your ears.

Its not a judgement of the troops on the ground, more an indictment of decision makers who placed them in such a cauldron.

Paul
 
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Its not a judgement of the troops on the ground, more an indictment of decision makers who placed them in such a cauldron.

Paul

No one has seriously considered that the soldiers are risking their life by boarding a ship of "peaceful activists", mind you.
 
The organizers of this supposed humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people where the IHH. The IHH has ties to Global Jihad, al Qaeda, and the terrorist organization Hamas. They have also been involved in the trafficing of illegal arms.

Here is a link that provides info on the organization International Humanitaire Hilfsorganization (IHH).

IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.

Psst, Sgt, I'm going to whisper this so nobody else notices, but I posted this same link already.

Like any other attempt to provide proper context, it had no effect on those who only wish to waggle fingers.
 


Here is video it looks like that the person was being hit with a sock. I can't believe that people tend to forget the Uss Liberty that was attacked by Israel also in international waters.






 
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No one has seriously considered that the soldiers are risking their life by boarding a ship of "peaceful activists", mind you.

You have totally missed the point. Tashah has suggested PR/PC was not on the mind of 'troops on the ground' i fully agree. I,m stating the commanders knew fully what could await the troops.

Paul
 

Yes, but what the world will actually select to watch are the carefully edited Pallywood type videos that reinforce their own bigotry. Remember -- the soldiers just "stormed" the ship and started opening fire on the poor, defenseless "peace" activists.

Most people lack the intelligence to sort out fact from fiction, and simply react to the way an issue is framed for them. Once the proper words are selected to elicit the desired emotional reaction, they will continue to repeat the mantra even if their eyes SHOULD tell them otherwise. Compounding matters, others jump in with accusations that it is somehow those who are objective who are acting irrationally, and the psy ops is complete.
 


Here is video it looks like that the person was being hit with a sock. I can't believe that people tend to forget the Uss Liberty that was attacked by Israel also in international waters.





Who is the idiot without a clue in the youtube video you posted? Wait whats this. you removed the video. Why? And you replaced it with a propaganda video.
 
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Israel is not a terrorist nation like the PLO. I'm sure they had a very good reason for storming these boats. We can't trust Hamas with the simply "humanitarian aid" excuse. After all, they were the ones that turned ambulances into military vehicles and fired rockets from humanitarian aid buildings to try and prevent Israel from bombing them.
 
Yes, but what the world will actually select to watch are the carefully edited Pallywood type videos that reinforce their own bigotry. Remember -- the soldiers just "stormed" the ship and started opening fire on the poor, defenseless "peace" activists.

Most people lack the intelligence to sort out fact from fiction, and simply react to the way an issue is framed for them. Once the proper words are selected to elicit the desired emotional reaction, they will continue to repeat the mantra even if their eyes SHOULD tell them otherwise. Compounding matters, others jump in with accusations that it is somehow those who are objective who are acting irrationally, and the psy ops is complete.

Oh look, a strawman. I don't think I have seen any one actually suggest that. I know I have not.
 
I don't understand why the American government closes its eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity. It just shows the power that lobbying has on the government.
 
Here is video it looks like that the person was being hit with a sock. I can't believe that people tend to forget the Uss Liberty that was attacked by Israel also in international waters.

That looked more like a wooden stick. But on the Uss Liberty it is because the media has twisted the truth with lies that makes it seem like Israel did not know what they were doing.
 
I don't understand why the American government closes its eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity. It just shows the power that lobbying has on the government.

Why does the international community close their eyes to the international crimes and human rights violations of the Arab world? I heard a report that originally the IDF soldiers were armed with paint balls and later had to use ammunition because things became violent on the boat. People take a magnifying glass to Israel and accuse them of all the crimes under the sun while their neighbors violate human rights and commit far worse atrocities against Israel. The American government doesn't close it's eyes to Israeli crimes against humanity, America has them wide open. The truth is that there are no Israeli crimes against humanity. Israel is a victim of crimes against humanity.
 
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