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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

AHAHAHAHAHA, they are a friend of Israel However this incendiary event seems to be a beaker.

I reject your cite of Wikipedia as being biased and unreliable. The ships flew the Turkish flag and hold Turkish registry. Turkey has been known to support terrorist organizations in the past while the world turns a blind eye.
 
You are correct Patriot and this is a well known tactic for CQB and has been aired on the media and published in print not to mentioned usually trained and ingrained into our basic recruits, along with movies and everything else countless times. Although for those who are unaware of military tactics and training I am not surprised to read comments such as you commented on...thanks.

Thank ya, it's a well known tactic because you want to ensure that your target stays dead. Head shots have a tendency of causing the bullet to crease the skull and not penetrate. The same is true for rounds hitting the rib cage, so they want to make sure that whoever is on the receiving end is not getting up or to play dead in order to pop the pin on a grenade etc...
 
No, I call it a bloody execution style killing when they shoot someone in the head 4 time at close range.

Are yoiu being paid to write this stuff?
 
Are yoiu being paid to write this stuff?

what did he get wrong?
is his factual presentation going to make life difficult for those hired by the israeli government to perform damage control on internet forums?
 
Unrelated, yet seems a bit disturbing...out of all youtube news videos, why does Google News use Aljazeera on a domestic u.s. issue?
 

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what did he get wrong?
is his factual presentation going to make life difficult for those hired by the israeli government to perform damage control on internet forums?

"Factual presentation" is very debatable. The event has become an international story with a lot of agendas in play. The Turkish government is trying to define Israel and their actions as negatively as possible. To question the Turkish reported details/reports is not out of reason....


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No, I call it a bloody execution style killing when they shoot someone in the head 4 time at close range.

I would have to agree particularly as the passengers did not have guns. It does appear that a few people got onto the fated ship whose attitude was not appropriate for a peace convoy. This went against the stipulations of Free Gaza and is a pity. However was this bloodshed necessary. I am less than sure. There is no evidence at all that anyone on the boats were terrorists. As the boats passengers did not possess firearms and the vast majority were completely peaceful, the amount of violence seems unjustified. First, don't go onboard when the situation is as it is. Find another way to sort the problem out.

My guess particularly with the way Israel was talking before the incident is that she was ready for confrontation, particularly with the Turkish boat. I hear too many stories from other boats that they could see Israeli's firing at it before they got on. There is also the problem of medics being handcuffed rather than allowed to attend to those who were critically injured and later died.

It should also be pointed out that people protesting about Israel's action goes along with how we would act in our own country if we believed our own police had gone over the top.

Do checks on G8 summets. Indeed when the UK had an inquiry into the action of some of it's police, they did answer that they were 'up for it'.

The attacks by the passengers with the wood has still not been properly explained. If, as is being reported it was a response to Israel firing on the boat before they boarded it might be understandable as that is how some people would react, though on this sort of mission total passive action despite provocation is what ought to be the case, even if this results in your death.

There is also the problem of the beatings on other ships.

Again, this would be the same reaction if something similar happened in my own country and indeed I think in most of Europe. There possibly is a cultural difference in that Israel public opinion is different to the rest of us and to be blunt, killing is more acceptable.
 
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but when you get beat up with metal pipes, I would love to see you take it like a human being, getting your arms broken and being thrown offboard =]

I hear that soliders that were knocked out and came back from being knocked out they got beat up again the second they got back up

I am in no way saying all the people on the boats were terrorists, far from it, I think that a group of actual terrorists just got into the boats to turn it into what it is...

Also I dont trust 100% of what "activists" say, cause they have a political agenda here, and they know they wont get any **** even if they are proven wrong, cause thats how the world works.
Israel on the other hand has just about everything to lose if it lies here..

my 2 cents :D
 
but when you get beat up with metal pipes, I would love to see you take it like a human being, getting your arms broken and being thrown offboard =]

When you are shot at before boarding? I agree that fighting is not a part of peaceful protest.

I hear that soliders that were knocked out and came back from being knocked out they got beat up again the second they got back up

Clearly that is not good. A lot of the argument is concerned with two issues = did Israel fire live ammunition or ammunition that people believed was live before she boarded as many people both on that ship and on others are reporting and second, why did Israel descend onto a ship from helicopters if she could see people on top with wooden or steel battens.


I am in no way saying all the people on the boats were terrorists, far from it, I think that a group of actual terrorists just got into the boats to turn it into what it is...
I don;t think there is any evidence that anyone on board was a terrorist. That some people had a hateful attitude towards Israel, which is not in the spirit of a peace convoy, yes, but terrorists, no.


Also I dont trust 100% of what "activists" say, cause they have a political agenda here, and they know they wont get any **** even if they are proven wrong, cause thats how the world works.
Israel on the other hand has just about everything to lose if it lies here..

my 2 cents :D

Both Israel and the Activists have an agenda. Both. As most activists were genuine peace activists it would be hoped and expected that their interest would be the truth - otherwise their credibility is lost.

Israel is the one with all the information taken from phones , laptops and so on. That is the difficulty. We never will really know what happened. We can only go by what is said.

That being said, my point that even if the situation was as Israel says that she did not fire live ammo beforehand, it is difficult to understand why she boarded at that particular time and in that particular way if she did not want a confrontation.
 
I would have to agree particularly as the passengers did not have guns. It does appear that a few people got onto the fated ship whose attitude was not appropriate for a peace convoy. This went against the stipulations of Free Gaza and is a pity. However was this bloodshed necessary. I am less than sure. There is no evidence at all that anyone on the boats were terrorists. As the boats passengers did not possess firearms and the vast majority were completely peaceful, the amount of violence seems unjustified. First, don't go onboard when the situation is as it is. Find another way to sort the problem out.
Alexa, soldiers were in a risk of life, that was fully necessary.
I for one am not going to apologize for my country killing militants.
If they were innocent civilians I'd understand, but the commandos have committed a very selective fire and have reported that the only ones they've wounded or killed are the ones from the party that have attackd them, and that's completely just and moral.
In fact, they should have shot to kill, considering those people were attempting to take their lives.

Read this article:
IDF troops shown bleeding in Turkish press - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
I find it nearly inhuman the way those Turks are taking pride of those animals of theirs attacking, lynching, and trying to kill soldiers that weren't fighting back, and outnumbering them 6 to 1.

Not to mention all the illiberal antisemitic leftists on political boards who follow suit.
 
Alexa, soldiers were in a risk of life, that was fully necessary.
I for one am not going to apologize for my country killing militants.
If they were innocent civilians I'd understand, but the commandos have committed a very selective fire and have reported that the only ones they've wounded or killed are the ones from the party that have attackd them, and that's completely just and moral.
In fact, they should have shot to kill, considering those people were attempting to take their lives.

Read this article:
IDF troops shown bleeding in Turkish press - Israel News, Ynetnews

They were shot multiple times at close range. 30 bullets in 9 people .

Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range | World news | The Guardian

In addition people are saying that 4 injured were thrown overboard.

They say 4 people but I understand 3 are missing. In the heat of the moment 3 could look like 4

'Israelis threw 4 injured into the sea'

You can hear in this previous video Israel telling the Arion they WILL fire on them (about 15 minutes through)

Free Gaza Scotland

I appreciate that Israeli soldiers are injured. I do not like anyone being injured and killed. 9 civilians were killed. What I said was that I think Europe in general has a different psychological reaction to things of this nature as you can see by our anger when police get heavy at for instance G8 summits.

If Israel had done nothing to provoke these people, who admittedly ought to have been like previous ships and not subject to provocation even when told they are about to be fired on...but if Israel had not provoked and/or fired on them first, then simply seeing them on the ship with their wooden battons and pipes imo ought to have been cause to stop for a bit and rethink. Not necessarily to let them in to Gaza but at least to talk to the other members of the flotilla who did not act in this way to get the situation changed.

The situation is far from clear yet.

Turkish people are very angry at the moment.
 
Turkish people are very angry at the moment.

Rightfully so. But we will always be having people on one side saying "terrorists" and on the other saying "aid activists". I for one know that the insan vakfi thing is not a jihadist organization and is not extremist. But as i said, mistakes where made from both sides on that flotilla. Things will blow over eventually, America just needs to apply pressure to the governments of both Israel and Turkey to avoid this ongoing crisis which is battering our friendship.
 
Rightfully so. But we will always be having people on one side saying "terrorists" and on the other saying "aid activists". I for one know that the insan vakfi thing is not a jihadist organization and is not extremist. But as i said, mistakes where made from both sides on that flotilla. Things will blow over eventually, America just needs to apply pressure to the governments of both Israel and Turkey to avoid this ongoing crisis which is battering our friendship.

They did try to kill the soldiers, so I can't really see what part of the soldiers' actions was not justified.
 
They did try to kill the soldiers, so I can't really see what part of the soldiers' actions was not justified.

Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.
 
They were shot multiple times at close range. 30 bullets in 9 people .

Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range | World news | The Guardian

In addition people are saying that 4 injured were thrown overboard.

They say 4 people but I understand 3 are missing. In the heat of the moment 3 could look like 4

'Israelis threw 4 injured into the sea'

You can hear in this previous video Israel telling the Arion they WILL fire on them (about 15 minutes through)

Free Gaza Scotland

I appreciate that Israeli soldiers are injured. I do not like anyone being injured and killed. 9 civilians were killed. What I said was that I think Europe in general has a different psychological reaction to things of this nature as you can see by our anger when police get heavy at for instance G8 summits.

If Israel had done nothing to provoke these people, who admittedly ought to have been like previous ships and not subject to provocation even when told they are about to be fired on...but if Israel had not provoked and/or fired on them first, then simply seeing them on the ship with their wooden battons and pipes imo ought to have been cause to stop for a bit and rethink. Not necessarily to let them in to Gaza but at least to talk to the other members of the flotilla who did not act in this way to get the situation changed.

The situation is far from clear yet.

Turkish people are very angry at the moment.

My goodness -- if the Iranian state propaganda apparatus tells you something, you better snap to attention!
 
Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.
Israel is in a pickle in regards to it defense, here is IMO a good oped piece;
In defense of Israel - BostonHerald.com
 
Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.

Israel's mistake was in thinking the activists would offer them tea and cakes. Were it not for the obvious political implication, Israel should hang the commander of that mission. IDF soldiers overcome by clubs and knives? Paint ball guns, OMFG what an embarrassment. The commandos should have led with stun grenades and tear gas before they even set foot on the ship.
 
The plot thickens.....


"In another development on Sunday, a senior Iranian military figure said the country's elite Revolutionary Guards were ready to escort aid flotillas to Gaza if ordered to by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"The Revolutionary Guards' naval forces are fully prepared to escort freedom and peace flotillas carrying humanitarian aid from all over the world to the oppressed people of Gaza," Ali Shirazi, Ayatollah Khamenei's naval representative, told Mehr news agency."

BBC News - Israel 'to reject international ship raid inquiry'



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The plot thickens.....


"In another development on Sunday, a senior Iranian military figure said the country's elite Revolutionary Guards were ready to escort aid flotillas to Gaza if ordered to by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"The Revolutionary Guards' naval forces are fully prepared to escort freedom and peace flotillas carrying humanitarian aid from all over the world to the oppressed people of Gaza," Ali Shirazi, Ayatollah Khamenei's naval representative, told Mehr news agency."

BBC News - Israel 'to reject international ship raid inquiry'.

Taking advantage of the situation!
 
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