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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

justabubba said:
could you please provide us with the source which documents israel's rights to assault this ship in international waters. i look forward to seeing what you offer by way of documentation
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the San Remo memorandum[67] states, specifically 67A, that if you have a boat that is charging a blockaded area you are allowed to intercept even prior to it reaching the blockaded area if you've warned them in advance
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ergo, under the san remo memorandum, israel had every right to board the ships as they had the declared intention of breaching a blockade.
the text is from:Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Crunch said:
Israel is fine, they stopped a ship that may or may not have been carrying weapons to Gaza but was for a fact going to run their blockade.... all within international law.
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What part of "they can't do it within international law because they've refused to be bound by international law" do you not understand?
 
spud_meister said:
ergo, under the san remo memorandum, israel had every right to board the ships as they had the declared intention of breaching a blockade.
the text is from:Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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That article has to do with merchant vessels who have an intent to break a legal blockade. It has absolutely nothing to do with humanitarian vessels on a relief mission breaking through an illegal blockade. Mark Regev is an idiot for even bringing up the San Remo memo.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
No, by that argument they had just authority to do what they did as the Somali pirates have to do what they do. As I've said elsewhere.


Thanks for playing. As I've said elsewhere.
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You need to stop and think before you post..... how is a recognized country stopping a ship, in accordance with international law that is going to run their blockade anything like a pirate ship stealing ships and taking the crews hostage?

Remember.... think before you post........Not thinking isn’t a good tactical move.
 
spud_meister said:
ergo, under the san remo memorandum, israel had every right to board the ships as they had the declared intention of breaching a blockade.
the text is from:Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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That link is so trustworthy it has even been changed since I gave a different quote in post 268.......but hey, maybe this will get the world's attention on Gaza and we can find a way to get this blockade lifted at last.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
What part of "they can't do it within international law because they've refused to be bound by international law" do you not understand?
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The part where you pull that statement out of your ass with no basis in law?
 
Degreez said:
That article has to do with merchant vessels who have an intent to break a legal blockade. It has absolutely nothing to do with humanitarian vessels on a relief mission breaking through an illegal blockade. Mark Regev is an idiot for even bringing up the San Remo memo.
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Why is it an illegal blockade?
 
Crunch said:
how is a recognized country stopping a ship, in accordance with international law that is going to run their blockade anything like a pirate ship stealing ships and taking the crews hostage?
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In the case of Israel, both are acting outside of international law, and the only authority or right they can invoke to justify their behavior is that granted by might of arms.
 
alexa said:
That link is so trustworthy it has even been changed since I gave a different quote in post 268.......but hey, maybe this will get the world's attention on Gaza and we can find a way to get this blockade lifted at last.
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That would be easy..... get the Palestinians to quit shooting at the Israeli people, that would be a great start.

Next step would be to quit trying to blow them up.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Why is it an illegal blockade?
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It has been called illegal by just about everyone. The reason for the blockade is political. It is because the people of Gaza voted in Hamas. The blockade on Gaza is a collective punishment on all the people of Gaza for this and/or the rockets though they are few and far between now. It is collective punishment for their democratic vote and for the actions of a few.
 
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Crunch said:
The part where you pull that statement out of your ass with no basis in law?
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International law is built upon treaties. Signing the appropriate treaty binds the signator by certain conditions and assures them certain rights, protections, or authority.

That's how international law works.

If you can't accept that, there's nothing more to talk about.
 
Crunch said:
The part where you pull that statement out of your ass with no basis in law?
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You're the one who seems to have trouble grasping international law. Forcefully boarding any ship in international waters is piracy. Forcefully boarding a humanitarian ship is even worse.

Israel's defense is that the ship had intent to break its blockade around Gaza. There are many things wrong with this defense, because:
- the blockade is illegal. Israel refuses to play the part of Occupying Power despite it's effective control on everything that goes in and out of Gaza.
- the ship was not a merchant vessel, which is the only type of vessel that can be boarded if its intent is to break a legal blockade.

Come back when you actually took some political science and international law classes and not simply restate what you heard on FoxNews.
 
alexa said:
That link is so trustworthy it has even been changed since I gave a different quote in post 268.......but hey, maybe this will get the world's attention on Gaza and we can find a way to get this blockade lifted at last.
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yes, i quoted it in post #144, it had much more comprehensive text.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
In the case of Israel, both are acting outside of international law, and the only authority or right they can invoke to justify their behavior is that granted by might of arms.
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How are they acting outside international law?.... pull that out of the same place?

Look, either start backing up your ridiculous claims with some facts, or watch what little credibility you have evaporate.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Why is it an illegal blockade?
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Because Gaza's territory is still under effective Israeli control. Nothing can fly over Gaza without Israeli approval. No boat can come to Gaza's coast without Israeli approval. And no person or vehicle can enter Gaza without Israeli approval. Thus Israel still occupies Gaza without playing the part of the Occupying Power.
 
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Crunch said:
How are they acting outside international law?.... pull that out of the same place?

Look, either start backing up your ridiculous claims with some facts, or watch what little credibility you have evaporate.
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If they haven't signed the treaty, they can't invoke the law to justify their actions.
 
alexa said:
It has been called illegal by just about everyone. The reason for the blockade is political. It is because the people of Gaza voted in Hamas. The blockade on Gaza is a collective punishment on all the people of Gaza for this.
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They are trying to stop weapons from entering Gaza because those idiots in Gaza keep trying to kill Israelis..... get your facts straight for a change.

BTW.... all blockades are political.... geezzzzzz!
 
So what we have here is two sides who cannot agree on legality, on appropriateness of action and reaction. We have several injured people one one side, several dead on the other, which people of both side just see as counters in the continuing fight and not as the tragedy it is. No one is willing to give an inch or see the possibility that their side acted less than appropriately.

Just another day in the ME. Makes me sad.
 
alexa said:
It has been called illegal by just about everyone.
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Doesn't answer the question.

The reason for the blockade is political.
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No it's based on security.

It is because the people of Gaza voted in Hamas. The blockade on Gaza is a collective punishment on all the people of Gaza for this.
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No the blockade on Gaza is a result of the governing authority of Gaza waging an indiscriminate campaign of murder against Israeli civilians. It is not punishment it is a security measure to prevent Hamas from obtaining the necessary supplies for continuing their warcrimes.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
International law is built upon treaties. Signing the appropriate treaty binds the signator by certain conditions and assures them certain rights, protections, or authority.

That's how international law works.

If you can't accept that, there's nothing more to talk about.
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Sure, but if you are not a signatory but still abide by the laws.... no harm, no foul.

Face it, you don’t have a leg to stand on except your hatred of Israel…. Noted. :roll:
 
Crunch said:
Sure, but if you are not a signatory but still abide by the laws.... no harm, no foul.

Face it, you don’t have a leg to stand on except your hatred of Israel…. Noted. :roll:
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Oh nice trump card Crunch... Don't actually refute what he says but call him a hater of Israel, even if they did something wrong... wow. What an argument.
 
Crunch said:
Sure, but if you are not a signatory but still abide by the laws...
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The point is you get the power to do certain things when you sign the document, which binds you to behaving in a certain manner.

If you don't sign the document, then your authority in international waters and that of the Somalian pirates is exactly the same.

Crunch said:
Face it, you don’t have a leg to stand on except your hatred of Israel…. Noted. :roll:
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I don't hate Israel, I disagree with their actions.

Not that that matters, it's never stopped you from making baseless accusations before.
 
Degreez said:
You're the one who seems to have trouble grasping international law. Forcefully boarding any ship in international waters is piracy. Forcefully boarding a humanitarian ship is even worse.

Israel's defense is that the ship had intent to break its blockade around Gaza. There are many things wrong with this defense, because:
- the blockade is illegal. Israel refuses to play the part of Occupying Power despite it's effective control on everything that goes in and out of Gaza.
- the ship was not a merchant vessel, which is the only type of vessel that can be boarded if its intent is to break a legal blockade.

Come back when you actually took some political science and international law classes and not simply restate what you heard on FoxNews.
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More crap..... those ships had stated they were going to run a legal blockade. By international law that gave Israel the right to stop the ships and board them..... see the the san remo memorandum.
 
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