So you're basically agreeing with the statements you were responding to?
Because nothing that you've said contradicts them one way or another.
Already explained. It only took 3-4 posts for you to catch up. Well done.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-flotilla-says-hamas-144.html#post1058794455
Well Mr Chomsky, the footage published by the IDF, the one you're trying so hard to ignore, shows the activists attacking the soldiers the moment they've boarded the ship.
They were grouping up at the top deck and were waiting with knives and crowbars for the arrival of the soldiers, certainly not looking like they were just shot at or are being shot at.
Where have I ignored the footage? I know the footage released by the IDF (the night vision IR movie) starts with the attacks on the soldiers – the bit I’m waiting for you to catch up on is the fact that the IDF has all the protesters’ cameras and equipment. Thus we have no other versions as the IDF haven’t released any other footage from before the attacks on the soldiers.
I’m guessing I’ll have to repeat this in at least 2 more posts before it sinks in.
I believe that is irrelevant.
Let me make this clear to you:
By taking the words of the activists for granted(=as facts) you're admitting to a deep agenda-motivated dishonesty and irrationality.
I do not see any sane reason to take the word of those who came there for the sake of anti-Israeli propaganda, definitely not as they have no evidence to back their claims and most definitely not as they were caught lying more than once.
Guess what Einstein? I’m repeating myself already – I’l quote rather than type it again.
explaining yet again why there is no counter evidence said:
Where have I ignored the footage? I know the footage released by the IDF (the night vision IR movie) starts with the attacks on the soldiers – the bit I’m waiting for you to catch up on is the fact that the IDF has all the protesters’ cameras and equipment. Thus we have no other versions as the IDF haven’t released any other footage from before the attacks on the soldiers.
I’m guessing I’ll have to repeat this in at least 4 more posts before it sinks in.
[
Reductio ad anti-Semitism
I've never heard any other poster saying such things.
You've seen a poster who's an anti-Israeli being called an anti-Semite.
That by no means implies that being anti-Israeli means you're an anti-Semite.
Reductio ad anti-Semitism
Those bodies are wrong when they're wrong and right when they're right, enough said.
And all of them are wrong on this one matter. All based in different countries with their own observers on the grounds.
Yeah, right….
”According to reports, people were attacked and were beaten on other ships as well" = depending entirely on the witnesses words and referring to the incidents as facts, using the term "according to reports", implying that it's a news report and not a questionable witness account by one of the activists.
Yes, I’m referring to the reports with links to the BBC pages. You obviously didn’t look (yet again) because of course – you know best, being the resident IDF spokesperson here.
You're saying that Gaza has no jobs, no industries, what's not.
So in return I've supplied you with an example of a hotel in Gaza.
Now are you going to say that this hotel is the only place to find jobs at besides at the terrorist organization of Hamas?
Until when are you going to make those baseless statements and believe that you'd be able to get away with it?
No, I didn’t. Post 1431 – You’ve lied and substituted my
“many” for your
“any”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-flotilla-says-hamas-144.html#post1058793003
Will you do the honorable thing and withdraw your lie or do we go around yet another set of posts before you own up to your reading comprehension failure?
Thank you.
Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
I was not comparing their power but has laid an analogy based on your claim that if a weapon doesn't kill many it means that it is not a "killing weapon".
I thought I asked for where I said it wasn’t a “killing weapon?”
If not, please find it for me. I recall saying it was more of a (note that I’m repeating this for the umpteenth time) they’re more of a “psychological rather than physical threat.”
Don’t worry, I’m patient – I know you and your friends will eventually get it.
Once more, you're making a fool out of yourself.
Let's lay out the differences between the government statement and your statement here, shall we now?
The government statement refers to the actual result.
The actual result of those rockets is more of a psychological damage than a physical damage.
Your statement claims that the rockets are not "killing weapons", referring to the physically damaging potentiality of the weapon by itself.
I’ll ask again – where did I say they are not killing weapons? “StephenA59 got it first time when I replied him – you’re taking a little longer for the lightbulbs to go off but I can wait.
Here, I’ll even post my original statement to help. Do you want me to use crayon for my words next time?
me said:
The blockade has not stopped the rocket launches – besides which, the rocket launches are more of a psychological weapon than a real weapon. The current blockade is simply an extension of the one started after the Second Intifada of 2000-2001. In 10 years that some form of blockade or restriction has been in place – it hasn't stopped weapons being fired at Israel.
I’m sure one of your nice Moderator friends watching my every word for can explain it for you.
Why I'll never even dream about calling you an anti-Semite, since I do not believe that you are.
Once more, you've drawn the conclusion entirely on your own, which should really be enough to deliver the message.
Reductio ad anti-Semitism
I'm referring you to the statements above the question mark.
The flotilla raid, as far as international law is concerned, was fully legit.
The Q&A of Reuters agrees with me, as I've shown you, so I do not feel the need to waste further time debating over the obvious truth.
I couldn't find any real news source (Reuters, AP, etc) that says the Israeli actions were against international law.
I do not doubt for a moment that you too know that the Israeli raid was done fully in accordance with the international law, yet you just cannot admit to being wrong.
And one last time – the links were to differing opinions around the world. Since this is at the root of current problems in Gaza and Israel – I don’t see anyone on this forum clearing that up.
Which reminds me – very early on – I originally said “it doesn’t matter anyway as whether the raid was legal or not and whether the blockade is legal or not – International Law can not be enforced and even if it could – the US has Israel’s back”
Nothing has changed my opinion since then – even going round the houses with you.