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Calif. College Offers Scholarship to Illegal Immigrants

The letter didn't use such blatant language as that. It basically said that as a part of their slots available, and their policy of a "diverse" student population that a slot would not be available to her. And you can call names all you want I know what went on.

Second, are you a wealthy person? Because if so, I'd like to see what you have. I think I might be entitled to some of it.


j-mac

You actually don't know why your daughter wasn't accepted to University of Maryland. They don't tell kids why, just that they aren't accepted. It could have been because they already accepted x number of students from your state and they didn't want anymore.
 
Maybe not, but I am sure if you took the time to do a simple google of that time period in Maryland, you would see that was around the time that UofM came under fire for this very thing.

Further, lets not show your ass ok? You don't know my daughter, and to imply that she is somehow lacking something, that an illegal can offer a University is an insult, and you should consider yourself lucky this is a message board, and not an in person gathering.

When you decide to offer some links, proof, anything to back up your claim that an illegal got your daughter's spot, please be sure to PM me.

Until then, I wish you daughter well in her studies. You get out of it, what you put into it. I went to a CSU and made more $$ my first year out then all of my UC friends.
 
Talk about impatient. You asked the same question 3 times in 3 minutes, getting angrier at the lack of an answer.

Thats some narcisscim you are displaying. Take a look, I wasn't responding to you 3 times. LOL

Try actually reading who I quoted skippy.

Why do I support this? The way I see it, the more money that goes to education the better. If there's a larger demand, universities will expand or new ones will be built.

And you are basing this off what? Hope and change? And exactly how does that benifit the legal immigrants who are denied now for illegals? Do you just not care about them?

That wonderful free market can adapt. I suppose my feelings on this stem from my belief that our immigration policies should be much more open. If you don't have valuable skills, a bunch of money, or a family member here, you have virtually no chance of being allowed to become a citizen. The only crime these people are guilty of is seeking a better life for themselves. Honestly I place illegal immigration as a crime on about the same level as underage drinking. I don't encourage it but as long as it's done safely I don't really have a problem with it. Someone working hard enough to get good grades deserves a chance. That's what America is supposed to be about, right? Opportunity? A $2500 scholarship can be a huge difference in someone's life if it gets them an education which leads to a career as opposed to menial labor.

Opportunity for legal citizens not illegal. Its amazing you think we can keep absorbing people who break our law and think there are no consequences for legal citizens.

Or you just don't care what legal citizens they hurt.

edit: As I wrote this you equated illegal immigration to rape. Really? I mean, really?

No I equated someone claiming overlooking one crime is ok over another.

There's a lot of things illegal immigrants sometimes do once they get here that I disapprove of, but going to school isn't one of those things.

They will deny a position for a legal citizen. But as we have established, you don't care about them or you wouldn't condone law breakers taking scholarships from legal citizens.

A lot of illegal immigrants in Maryland? Did the rejection letter tell you "sorry, we gave the slot to an illegal immigrant."
edit2: Basically I'm calling you a liar.

Its amazing how little your brain functions. If one illegal received a position at at university then that takes away from one legal citizen being there who actually has the legal right to attend.
 
Its a free country (in theory)
, and it is their money.

Way to duck the question.

Did i claim that was your position??

Yes you did. I quote you: If you have an issue with foreigners getting educated

Next time do not lie about my position.

to a community college.. not that I have ever heard of. First come first serve, it is open enrollment and acceptance or is your problem an issue that an illegal might be more eager and not procrastinate enrolling in the class making a lazy citizen wait a semester?

It doesn't matter how eager an illegal is. They are still illegal. What part of that don't you understand?

University is a different story, but then they are PRIVATE institutions.

Please show us in the law where you can be illegal in this country and the rules don't apply to you. Go ahead.
 
You actually don't know why your daughter wasn't accepted to University of Maryland. They don't tell kids why, just that they aren't accepted. It could have been because they already accepted x number of students from your state and they didn't want anymore.

If one illegal was accepted that denied one legal citizen from being accepted. You can't get around that.
 
If one illegal was accepted that denied one legal citizen from being accepted. You can't get around that.

Right, but what I am saying is that you won't know that. All you will know as a student is that you aren't accepted. You can guess at why, but you will never know for sure.
 
The letter didn't use such blatant language as that. It basically said that as a part of their slots available, and their policy of a "diverse" student population that a slot would not be available to her. And you can call names all you want I know what went on.

Second, are you a wealthy person? Because if so, I'd like to see what you have. I think I might be entitled to some of it.


j-mac

I am by no means wealthy but I live quite comfortably. I don't begrudge paying my taxes, because I'm aware that they are necessary for the overall excellent quality of life that we take for granted in this country. I'd even pay a few percent more if it meant that more people could afford go to school or go to the doctor, or if it meant putting more police officers on the street or throwing a lifeline to people who need it. I am a direct product of those lifelines, if my family hadn't gotten help (before I was even born), I would never have been able to get the education that I did, and I wouldn't be where I am now. My father has long since repaid his debt to society, and so have his siblings. I've also done my part. This is why I take great personal offense when people say such awful things about those who receive "entitlements." I've seen the word "leech" used to describe people who are in the same situation my father was, over and over, on this very board.

Education is everything. Someone with a good education is far more likely to succeed and become a productive member of society. An illegal immigrant trying to go to college isn't the immigrant you should be worried about. They're making an effort to make something of themselves, to become a member of this society. To contribute. They'll even pay taxes, if you let them. Like I said earlier, I disapprove of some of the things illegal immigrants sometimes do when they get here. Going to school is not one of those things.
 
I just gave you the FACTS. You can't enroll in a CA Jr college, CSU, or UC without a Social Security number or proof of legal residency.

Then explain the scholarship genius. :roll:

I already graduated college (18 years ago). I've worked a job since I was sixteen. I owe a business in CA that employs people.

I wouldn't qualify to take the test I described. Would you?

Anyone who thinks its logical to allow illegals to attend our schools needs to have their head examined. So if your position is that we keep the smartest folks and deport the rest, I'll get your ticket ready.
 
Right, but what I am saying is that you won't know that. All you will know as a student is that you aren't accepted. You can guess at why, but you will never know for sure.

So explain the OP. Do you support it or not?

Oh and J-mac is right about the univsity of Maryland. They have some powerful people at that univsity fighting for illegals to get access to the university



Casa representatives also hope to meet with the University System of Maryland’s Board of Regents to push for policy changes allowing in-state tuition for children who graduate from a state high school, regardless of their parents’ immigration status.

Bills that would have prevented the regents from offering in-state tuition to children of illegal immigrants died in committee..


http://www.gazette.net/stories/041808/polinew205203_32355.shtml
 
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I support it up until the part of the illegal immigrants.

Um, thats the whole of it. So you don't support illegals getting scharships and positions at schools in the US or not?
 
Um, thats the whole of it. So you don't support illegals getting scharships and positions at schools in the US or not?

Um, no it isn't. The article says it is eligible for students hold green cards, student who have permanent residence in the U.S., and illegal immigrants. So I am fine with scholarship money going to the first two, but not the last.
 
Um, no it isn't. The article says it is eligible for students hold green cards, student who have permanent residence in the U.S., and illegal immigrants. So I am fine with scholarship money going to the first two, but not the last.

The only thing I have been arguing is against illegal immigrants. Was that lost on you somehow?
 
They should park an INS agent full-time outside the Financial Aid office in the building. That way when someone comes in and says "I'd like to apply for the illegal immigrant scholarship", they can arrest them.

Hell, you don't even need Arizona's subjectivity to make that arrest. Takes the bricks out of the briefcase.
 
The only thing I have been arguing is against illegal immigrants. Was that lost on you somehow?

My bad then. When you said that's the whole of it I thought you meant something else. That is what I get for studying and being on here at the same time.
 
The letter didn't use such blatant language as that. It basically said that as a part of their slots available, and their policy of a "diverse" student population that a slot would not be available to her. And you can call names all you want I know what went on.

No Tell us.

Did the university admit other white students with her exact same gpa and sat? What extracurriculars did they have? How was her essay? What sports did she letter in? What community service project did she do? It's competitive, and yes, universities do look to admit a diverse freshman class. A white person took her spot.

3.8gpa, you're leaving some details out, IMO.

If she wants to go to an all-white school, try Liberty University.
 
No Tell us.

Did the university admit other white students with her exact same gpa and sat? What extracurriculars did they have? How was her essay? What sports did she letter in? What community service project did she do? It's competitive, and yes, universities do look to admit a diverse freshman class. A white person took her spot.

3.8gpa, you're leaving some details out, IMO.

If she wants to go to an all-white school, try Liberty University.

What a shocker Hazel goes for the race card.

Here's some breaking news for ya Hazel. Not all illegals are non white. See Russians.

More breaking news for Hazel.

When the *University of Maryland System pondered offering in-state tuition to undocumented students, chancellor William E. Kirwan looked to California — among the early states to pass such a law — for a model.

If a student were to graduate from a Maryland high school after going for three years and was an unregistered immigrant, we would grant them in-state tuition,” Kirwan tells Diverse.


State Legislatures Cautiously Consider In-state Rates for Undocumented Students

Illegals are not diversity. It is passing up the LAW to allow illegals to take spots away from legal citizens regardless of race color or creed so the race-baiting the far lefties put out there is just more ignorance and hate because they have no legal argument.

So its been established this University does knowingly accept illegals to its college so he has every right to believe his daughter was refused because an illegal stole her spot.

Facts are annoying for you Hazel I know but you really should try looking into them once in a while. :2wave:
 
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Way to duck the question.

I did answer your question. Even if I do not like what the money is being spent on,

me answering you the first time said:
Its a free country (in theory), and it is their money.



Yes you did. I quote you: If you have an issue with foreigners getting educated

Next time do not lie about my position.

You had to take my statement my out of context to accuse me of lying about your position.Illegals are foreigners are they not? you have an issue with them being educated, would you have been happier if I chose the word people instead of foreigners. That would work as well (in context)

me in context said:
If you have an issue with foreigners getting educated and "limited space in schools" this is focusing a laser on one spot in the ocean, our schools are LOADED with foreigners

illegals are foreigners, when I refer to the laser focus this is where i was directly referring to your position the big picture is foreigners as a whole.. the laser focus is raising a stink over just the illegals -this is your position correctly represented from what I have seen here correct: foreigners fine, illegals no f'n way?

If you want to callously and wantonly throw out accusations of me being a liar, so be it, that is your prerogative. it is way off base and playing that card for little apparent reason seems rather juvenile to me.


It doesn't matter how eager an illegal is. They are still illegal. What part of that don't you understand?

What part of "It is private money so its none of my damned business how someone chooses to spend it" do you not get?

I may not like that specifically like it that an illegal may get scholarship money, but people chose to do things with their money and their lives all the time I do not like, it is a sacrifice that I will accept so that I in turn can do whatever the hell I want with my money. What I find more offensive is intruding because some consider how they choose to spend it is an affront.


Please show us in the law where you can be illegal in this country and the rules don't apply to you. Go ahead.

ohh look a straw man.. do you have any other tricks?



Now perhaps before I leave you and this thread I should clarify my position.

I do not like that the US is getting out competed by the rest of the world due to our faltering education levels.

What especially irks me about this is that our colleges and universities are teaching many foreigners trades and careers that will not be utilized here in the US while we as a nation are complacent and lagging. It is all to frequent to see people coming here from out of country just to avail themselves of out education system and then return home. we are outsourcing a very valuable commodity, knowledge.

I do not blame them, they are taking advantage of the opportunity that is there, while we as a nation are squandering it. we have became lazy and complacent, and as a whole are nowhere near as driven to get educated as others that come here from outside our culture.

However, in the case of a University, they are a private institution, and a business, and they are free to choose whom they do business with - heck otherwise every engineering department and school in the country would be hemorrhaging money due to lack of interested Americans to fill seats.

In the case of a Community college, it is slightly different, I do have issues with perks or incentives to lure foreign students into enrolling if they are simply going to return home with their education, let them attend, but at full out of state tuition cost.

However, if the foreigners are planning on using their education and remaining here in the US, and instead of leeching our resources to return home their intention is to become a US citizen and return the benefits of their education to our nation, I am all for it.. instead of another leak in the boat we have another bailing the boat this way.

So when I see this:

article linked in the OP said:
Students eligible for the new scholarship must have a 3.0 or higher grade point average, demonstrate a financial need and must also be trying to become an American citizen.

I do not have a problem with it, they are making legitimate efforts to do the right thing, and are trying to become a US citizen, it is not like they are washing dishes on a fake SS# here, nor are they going to take the education back to Mexico (or India, or Morocco, or Botswana).

The scholarship is not specifically tailored for illegals, it just does not omit them - even so, the mere fact that they are trying to get educated, and are trying to become US citizens, and are making significant efforts to be a constructive component of our soceity and not a burden is significant.

I am not keen in illegal immigrants, but I will not go into a knee jerk blind rage and take a hypocritical position merely because I see a red flag with "illegal immigrant" on it waved in front of my face.

And to to reiterate my primary position here.. privately funded and being privately funded, they can choose to give a scholarship to the gerbil in your avatar, or the rapist you mentioned.. I do not care, it is their money, and I cannot be against it without being hypocritical to greater fundamental beliefs.
 
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