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Transexual Loses Bid For State-Paid Breast Enlargements

People with GID shouldn't be allowed to consider a transexual surgery. Sense it's a mental condition shouldn't they be deemed "not in their right mind" when consenting to a transgendered surgery? It's an unhealthy disorder, and giving them a transgendered surgery only feeds that.
 
Your Star said:
First off those people are intersexed people, your confusing two different things.

Second
This isn't just something that is done on a whim. Someone can't go "oh I want to be the other gender" one day and get a sex change. They have to go through numerous therapy sessions to determine if they really have GID, and not some other personality disorder. To even qualify for a sex change, either changing form Male to Female, or from Female to Male, they have to be on Hormone Replacement Therapy for atleast a year. So it is not something anyone can do on a whim.
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no offense. but seems like you, and my brother jerry are very close to this issue. From my perspective, using scaples and drugs to alter oneself to appear as the other sex, is akin, to what we humans do to cheetos.... Proccesse food..... It's a damn shame..... we should intead focus on treating the individuals I dunno, shame of who they are and self identity issues than surrenduring to what YOU all define as a psychosis. :shrug:
 
Jerry said:
Actually they don't lop it off........they turn it inside out and tuck it in.
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Brother, you know as much about this as I do about m16 weapons platforms and com sat/com LD gear..... :shock:


somene in your family? I ask, because, if so, I mean not to be offensive in this thread and take my posts of serious with a twist of humor in them. I mean no one offense.



no need to answer, just know I am not coming from anything but a half interested opinionated state.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Brother, you know as much about this as I do about m16 weapons platforms and com sat/com LD gear..... :shock:
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I got the best time in my platoon for dis/re-assembling the m16...does that count for something?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Actually, I'm not a doctor, but I play one on the internetz.... :ssst:




Seriously though lopping off ones junk cannot be seriously considered a "Treatment"......
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So you have no medical knowledge and no experience with this condition but you're making an absolute claim about a type of treatment.
 
Deuce said:
So you have no medical knowledge and no experience with this condition but you're making an absolute claim about a type of treatment.
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I don't even need google to tell you lopping off your junk in orde to feel pretty seems, rather extreme, and contraindicated for good mental/physical health
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't even need google to tell you lopping off your junk in orde to feel pretty seems, rather extreme, and contraindicated for good mental/physical health
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Thats not what happens, and you completely ignore female to males.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't even need google to tell you lopping off your junk in orde to feel pretty seems, rather extreme, and contraindicated for good mental/physical health
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The safe maneuvering speed of an aircraft increases as the weight of that aircraft increases. It seems kindof backwards. When I first heard it, I thought "What the hell? That doesn't make any sense. Surely you'd want a heavier plane to fly slower, structurally speaking."

But then someone with an in-depth knowledge of aerodynamics explained it to me. "Oh, well that makes sense! Good thing someone with expertise in the field makes these design calculations instead of me!"
 
Im kinda of two minds about this.

On the one hand, part of me wants to say the state shouldnt have to pay for cosmetic procedures. They need to help pay for procedures that are necessary to save a person's life and a cosmetic procedure doesnt fall under that unless you're talking about something like a burn victim.

On the other hand, I've been around the GLBT community for many years and known many people who were transsexual. I've seen how badly it can mess with someone's head to feel like they're stuck in the opposite gender's body and to not really be someone, physically, that you feel you are. I've known people who've killed themselves over stuff like that.

Not really sure where to settle on it
 
Hoplite said:
Im kinda of two minds about this.

On the one hand, part of me wants to say the state shouldnt have to pay for cosmetic procedures. They need to help pay for procedures that are necessary to save a person's life and a cosmetic procedure doesnt fall under that unless you're talking about something like a burn victim.

On the other hand, I've been around the GLBT community for many years and known many people who were transsexual. I've seen how badly it can mess with someone's head to feel like they're stuck in the opposite gender's body and to not really be someone, physically, that you feel you are. I've known people who've killed themselves over stuff like that.

Not really sure where to settle on it
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I'm kind of in the same boat here. While in this case I don't think she should have received the surgery because it is cosmetic. She has grown her own boobs with the hormone replacement therapy, and the surgery would be only for cosmetic purposes. While I believe other trans related services, like therapy, hormones, SRS should be covered because they are not cosmetic.
 
Your Star said:
I'm kind of in the same boat here. While in this case I don't think she should have received the surgery because it is cosmetic. She has grown her own boobs with the hormone replacement therapy, and the surgery would be only for cosmetic purposes. While I believe other trans related services, like therapy, hormones, SRS should be covered because they are not cosmetic.
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So wait let me get this straight, you think it is not only the roll of the state to steal from the individual in order to pay for medically necessary treatment for sick patients (which I don't agree with but at least I can see the point even though it violates the right to self ownership and the non-aggression principle) but you, also, believe it is the role of the state to help people to feel better about themselves through therapy and hormone treatments?

Look if someone feels like a man trapped in a woman's body or vice/versa that's none of my ****ing business but likewise it's none of their ****ing business if I don't feel like voluntarily paying for it, they can go out, get a job, and pay for the insurance which will cover such procedures or barring that paying for the procedures themselves. They have absolutely no business violating my right to self ownership whatsoever.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
So wait let me get this straight, you think it is not only the roll of the state to steal from the individual in order to pay for medically necessary treatment for sick patients (which I don't agree with but at least I can see the point even though it violates the right to self ownership and the non-aggression principle) but you, also, believe it is the role of the state to help people to feel better about themselves through therapy and hormone treatments?

Look if someone feels like a man trapped in a woman's body or vice/versa that's none of my ****ing business but likewise it's none of their ****ing business if I don't feel like voluntarily paying for it, they can go out, get a job, and pay for the insurance which will cover such procedures or barring that paying for the procedures themselves. They have absolutely no business violating my right to self ownership whatsoever.
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Taxes aren't stealing. These procedures would be covered under a government run healthcare system funded by tax payers.
 
Your Star said:
Taxes aren't stealing. These procedures would be covered under a government run healthcare system funded by tax payers.
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At that point, it's stealing. This mother****er doesn't have a single right to use my tax dollars to get bigger tits. Bigger tits isn't covered under, "general welfare", in The Constitution. Sorry, it just ain't.
 
apdst said:
At that point, it's stealing. This mother****er doesn't have a single right to use my tax dollars to get bigger tits. Bigger tits isn't covered under, "general welfare", in The Constitution. Sorry, it just ain't.
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If a medical professional believes having tits is necessary for the mental health of the patient I'm not really sure why I'm qualified to disagree.
 
apdst said:
At that point, it's stealing. This mother****er doesn't have a single right to use my tax dollars to get bigger tits. Bigger tits isn't covered under, "general welfare", in The Constitution. Sorry, it just ain't.
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I agree, but therapy, Hormones, and SRS should be covered, because those aren't cosmetic. Breast augmentation is cosmetic(well unless your having back problems because of oversized breasts) and shouldn't be covered.
 
Your Star said:
I agree, but therapy, Hormones, and SRS should be covered, because those aren't cosmetic. Breast augmentation is cosmetic(well unless your having back problems because of oversized breasts) and shouldn't be covered.
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Um, no, they shouldn't.
 
Your Star said:
Taxes aren't stealing. These procedures would be covered under a government run healthcare system funded by tax payers.
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All tax is theft. Here's a little thought experiment for you. Let's say a gang of ten men get together and decide to rob someone, but before they decide to rob them they put it to a vote and kindly allow the man to be robbed to vote as well, the vote comes out 10-1 for the robbery, the sole abstention of course coming from the man to be robbed. Now how is that not theft? Just how large does a gang of armed men need to be before that use of force becomes legitimate? FYI it doesn't matter how large the group of men is because the use of force is never legitimate unless in self defense.

This same line of argumentation works for any illegitimate use of force which the state engages in. O.K. let's say a gang of 10 men get together and go around to private businesses and offer protection for a fee and if they do not provide that protection money then they will be kidnapped and locked away. We call that racketeering, but when the state does it through the collection of taxation we call it funding the police force.

Every human being is entitled to full and exclusive rights to their own body and anything produced through the investment of that body into labour, thus no one owes any good or service to anyone in which they do not voluntarily agree to provide or perform and any contract not entered into voluntarily is null and void and that includes the precious social contract of the statists.
 
apdst said:
Um, no, they shouldn't.
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Yes, they should. It's how you treat Gender Identity Disorder which is a medical issue. Would you deny an OCD patient treatment because it isn't "life threatening"?
 
Your Star said:
Yes, they should. It's how you treat Gender Identity Disorder which is a medical issue.
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A person's gernder confusion shouldn't be covered by my tax dollars. Say what you want, but there it is. It ain't my problem, so therefore I shouldn't have to pay for it!

Would you deny an OCD patient treatment because it isn't "life threatening"?
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Treatment paid for with my tax money? You're damn right!
 
Hoplite said:
Easy to say for someone who doesnt have problems with gender identity :)
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Oh well!!!!!

How 'bout that gender confused person, when he/she/whatever get's well, come and pay my bills for a few months? Sound fair????
 
apdst said:
Oh well!!!!!

How 'bout that gender confused person, when he/she/whatever get's well, come and pay my bills for a few months? Sound fair????
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No, but that same healthcare system will pay for all your medical needs. It works both ways you know.
 
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